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Old 9th Sep 2023, 09:40
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Originally Posted by Kinocker
Sounds like another absolute shambles at EDI again this morning, everything being diverted to Glasgow.

The airport management needs cleared out from top to bottom at this point. Chasing after growth but not putting the infrastructure in place to cater for it. It's become an absolutely horrible experience as a passenger in recent years.

There are more than enough routes for now, invest in your facilities.
It’s not how private entities work. Growth = likely increased profits. I’d take growth any day of the week over stagnation, happy with what we’ve got attitude or we’ve got too much. You only need to look approx 50 miles west of EDI to see what results. Awful mismanagement, lack of ambition and they took their eye off the ball years ago. A decade of decline. Is EDI perfect? Absolutely not. Could facilities and infrastructure be upgraded - definitely.
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Old 9th Sep 2023, 09:57
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Originally Posted by Planeraz
Itís not how private entities work. Growth = likely increased profits. Iíd take growth any day of the week over stagnation, happy with what weíve got attitude or weíve got too much. You only need to look approx 50 miles west of EDI to see what results. Awful mismanagement, lack of ambition and they took their eye off the ball years ago. A decade of decline. Is EDI perfect? Absolutely not. Could facilities and infrastructure be upgraded - definitely.
Youíve missed the point entirely, growth only works on solid foundations which for an airport is the runway (which is falling apart) and a terminal thatís over capacity.

You never seem able to accept that EDI does not need to have a route to every city globally.

if youíre a new airline looking at Scotland and do a simple Google search for Edinburgh Airport the news article paint a very different picture from the corporate bollocks being said by management.

With the comments on stagnation in Glasgow itís true, but there are visible signs of recovery.

TUI adding 2 more 737ís. Jet2 adding another 737. Lufthansa resumes Munich, easyJet expected to add a 6th aircraft next year alongside 2 routes added for S23 and 2 for W23 with another resumption next summer. Increased Air Transat to Canada and Scotlands only Dubai service.
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Old 9th Sep 2023, 10:08
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Originally Posted by GeorgeNTravels
Youíve missed the point entirely, growth only works on solid foundations which for an airport is the runway (which is falling apart) and a terminal thatís over capacity.

You never seem able to accept that EDI does not need to have a route to every city globally.

if youíre a new airline looking at Scotland and do a simple Google search for Edinburgh Airport the news article paint a very different picture from the corporate bollocks being said by management.

With the comments on stagnation in Glasgow itís true, but there are visible signs of recovery.

TUI adding 2 more 737ís. Jet2 adding another 737. Lufthansa resumes Munich, easyJet expected to add a 6th aircraft next year alongside 2 routes added for S23 and 2 for W23 with another resumption next summer. Increased Air Transat to Canada and Scotlands only Dubai service.
Iím expressing my point of view. 30+ years working in the private sector. I donít accept that Iíve missed the point. My local airport is EDI. You are a known contributor in other forums and a supporter of GLA. Thatís up to you. However, you appear to be very quick to post any negative news about EDI, I.e frequency reductions etc. Just an observation.
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Old 9th Sep 2023, 10:36
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Originally Posted by Planeraz
Iím expressing my point of view. 30+ years working in the private sector. I donít accept that Iíve missed the point. My local airport is EDI. You are a known contributor in other forums and a supporter of GLA. Thatís up to you. However, you appear to be very quick to post any negative news about EDI, I.e frequency reductions etc. Just an observation.
You will also find Iíve been highly critical of Glasgow Airport management both online and in person.

Im quick to post cuts at both airports and equally as quick to post growth at both airports as you can see with the Jet2 news announced this week.

Ive written extensively about the demise of Glasgow Airport, link below to the post.

http://georgentravels.com/2021/08/16/glasgow-airports-plummeting-success/

more criticism of GLA in this post:
http://georgentravels.com/2022/10/17/british-airways-cityflyer-what-a-flight/

Yeah, GLA is my local, but Iím by no means not going to call them out when deserved
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Old 9th Sep 2023, 10:41
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Edinburgh has a huge geographical advantage over Glasgow. That's why it's growing, not because they have a bunch of geniuses managing the airport or anything like that. Edinburgh itself has become a more popular city to visit, while the location of the airport is far better suited to pulling in passengers from the rest of central and eastern Scotland than Glasgow, tucked away as it is to the west of the city.

But the facility is a nightmare to use. It's too small, it's understaffed and the runway is crumbling. All in the name of "growth".

You can move from an aviation discussion to a political one fairly quickly here without intending to but, in a general sense, the suggestion that "growth" at the expense of every other consideration is all that matters is a frankly depressing view of the world, and not one that I get the sense sits at all well with the wider British public at this moment in time. It's the reason why UK infrastructure is crumbling right across the country, from the airports to the rail networks to the cities.
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Old 9th Sep 2023, 10:46
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"You never seem able to accept that EDI does not need to have a route to every city globally."

Unfortunate that the view of most of the people who post on here about their local airport - just look at Southampton or Manchester for example on here
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Old 9th Sep 2023, 16:32
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Originally Posted by GeorgeNTravels
Youíve missed the point entirely, growth only works on solid foundations which for an airport is the runway (which is falling apart) and a terminal thatís over capacity.

You never seem able to accept that EDI does not need to have a route to every city globally.

if youíre a new airline looking at Scotland and do a simple Google search for Edinburgh Airport the news article paint a very different picture from the corporate bollocks being said by management.

With the comments on stagnation in Glasgow itís true, but there are visible signs of recovery.

TUI adding 2 more 737ís. Jet2 adding another 737. Lufthansa resumes Munich, easyJet expected to add a 6th aircraft next year alongside 2 routes added for S23 and 2 for W23 with another resumption next summer. Increased Air Transat to Canada and Scotlands only Dubai service.
The "corporate bollocks" ends at the price being offered.
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Old 9th Sep 2023, 17:13
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Originally Posted by Asturias56
"You never seem able to accept that EDI does not need to have a route to every city globally."

Unfortunate that the view of most of the people who post on here about their local airport - just look at Southampton or Manchester for example on here
The Southampton thread is a much better and happier place without certain individuals. I'm sure those on the Manchester thread would also agree.

A warning to those on this thread, beware of the individual 's' who's only goal is to "stir things up". No real interest in the topics being discussed. Just here to out of boredom I think 🤔
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Old 9th Sep 2023, 17:51
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"Stirring things up" = making reasonable points that gets the spotters and local heroes upset

I suggested that Southampton , with several other small airports (Shoreham for example) ,was likely to follow DSA, Manston & Plymouth into the hands of property developers (or the Council) in the next 10 years - not because they don't make money but because the pressure on land in S England is going to be immense.

This was not popular with some of the ra-ra crowd.
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Old 10th Sep 2023, 09:49
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Ladies this is the Edinburgh thread, there's a Glasgow thread to rejoice in Scotland's only Dubai Service, and a Southampton thread to discuss the woes of the airport with 1/17th of Edinburgh Pax numbers.

This thread is for discussion on Edinburgh, where we can rejoice in

Scotland's only direct services to Istanbul, Doha, Athens, Zurich, Brussels (BRU), Madrid, Calgary, Atlanta, Chicago, Washington, Boston, JFK, Vienna, Sofia, Bucharest, Stockholm, Riga, Budapest, Marseille, Gothenburg...



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Old 10th Sep 2023, 09:55
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Originally Posted by tictack67
Ladies this is the Edinburgh thread, there's a Glasgow thread to rejoice in Scotland's only Dubai Service, and a Southampton thread to discuss the woes of the airport with 1/17th of Edinburgh Pax numbers.

This thread is for discussion on Edinburgh, where we can rejoice in

Scotland's only direct services to Istanbul, Doha, Athens, Zurich, Geneva, Madrid, Calgary, Atlanta, Chicago, Washington, Vienna etc etc

Aberdeen and Glasgow have Geneva flights, other than that itís a fair point
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Old 10th Sep 2023, 12:12
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Fair point but I do think the EDI lobby need to a accept that the current EDI passenger experience can be pretty dire and that regular pax ( like me) can get a bit fed up with the clamouring for ever more routes when the airport clearly canít cope properly with those it already has.
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Old 10th Sep 2023, 13:22
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Originally Posted by tictack67
Ladies this is the Edinburgh thread, there's a Glasgow thread to rejoice in Scotland's only Dubai Service, and a Southampton thread to discuss the woes of the airport with 1/17th of Edinburgh Pax numbers.

This thread is for discussion on Edinburgh, where we can rejoice in

Scotland's only direct services to Istanbul, Doha, Athens, Zurich, Brussels (BRU), Madrid, Calgary, Atlanta, Chicago, Washington, Boston, JFK, Vienna, Sofia, Bucharest, Stockholm, Riga, Budapest, Marseille, Gothenburg...

What is the point your trying to make? We've got all these routes but our infrastructure can't cope!
also Marseille is served from Prestwick so maybe research before making claims
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Old 10th Sep 2023, 13:52
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There is, I believe plenty of airports in Europe and further afield that have the same terminal capacity and runway/stand issues as at EDI. I do chuckle at reports desperate enough to quote Jet2 and TUI increases ex Glasgow. Who cares really they are bucket and spade ops. EDI is head over heals better than GLA (and I am originally from Glasgow and fondly remember GLA in the mid nineties being a great airport) . The two are of course are far to close to each other and the central belt has missed the opportunity of having an airport suitable for both. It would be an airport for Scotland serving Scotland. Alas, as usual, we just have the typical Scottish bickering. 🫣
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Old 10th Sep 2023, 14:10
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The runway has been losed just now according to ground freq
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Old 10th Sep 2023, 14:12
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The runway has been losed just now according to ground freq
Runway repairs again apparently.
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Old 10th Sep 2023, 15:14
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I do chuckle at reports desperate enough to quote Jet2 and TUI increases ex Glasgow. Who cares really they are bucket and spade ops.
The millions of hard working folks who like bucket and spade hols, and who keep half the people on this forum in gainful employment, certainly do!
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Old 10th Sep 2023, 15:17
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Gettint embarassing now. Presumably GIP will be compensating the airlines?
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Regarding pre-clearance - I just read a comment elsewhere that apparently the US look for 400k passengers per year before considering an airport. No report of that being seasonal.

Edinburgh easily qualifies.
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Old 10th Sep 2023, 16:09
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Bringing the point again. Apart from Orlando, USPC won't be a gamechanger for EDI at all!

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