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Old 24th Jun 2023, 23:33
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Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot
A B767 on 12 is manageable, no airbridge is not a huge calamity all things considered. Was the Qatar delayed due to other wide bodies or narrow bodies running late?
Qatar was 30 mins early but ended up on stand over 30 mins late. Westjet was a little late and a Delta ATL ran over an hour late but doesn’t leave much room for flexibility.

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Old 25th Jun 2023, 01:03
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Originally Posted by NotanAVGeek
Qatar was 30 mins early but ended up on stand over 30 mins late. Westjet was a little late and a Delta ATL ran over an hour late but doesn’t leave much room for flexibility.
Westjet was an hour late off blocks despite arriving pretty much on time. DL similar situation, arrived on time, turnaround was 30mins longer than planned. I'm not sure on the reasons for these ground delays, but they are happening quite a lot with those particular aircraft. QR regularly running 15-30mins early makes it worse. With advanced warning there are other options available to avoid the holding for QR, but you don't really get that with ground handling delays, so they really mess things up. It's happened a good few times now on the days Westjet operates, and QR can't be too happy with it.
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Old 25th Jun 2023, 14:07
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Most of the companies are short staffed so it’s difficult enough but when most of the flights are then off schedule it’s an impossible task.

Ground Handlers are trying to get the numbers in but they simply can’t because of the poor wages and working conditions, the lack of experience also a huge contributing factor. When the ground handlers have a good day, they are then delayed because of the assistance company, it’s not uncommon to see delays of nearly an hour waiting on the ambulift for an inbound passenger.

When all the widebody aircraft are in there is a lack of fuellers for everyone else, or the tankers get emptied so they need to make return trips through security posts to fill up, this resulting in delays.

Aircrafts arrive on a stand but have to stop boarding numerous times to allow inbound flights or inbound coaches to disembark. It’s difficult for the ground handlers so I’d expect a lot more of the same in the coming months. Will only get worse with Hainan rejoining the party.

It’s fantastic the industry & airport is thriving in terms of Airlines and routes, but the working conditions and pay for the staff are a shambles.

In hindsight, Covid was the time to improve infrastructure and the runway.
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Old 25th Jun 2023, 14:11
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So in short, people get what they pay for - reduce fares, and you lower the level of service.
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Old 25th Jun 2023, 14:14
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And EDI doesn't have underground fuelling points (sure there is a more technical term...) but is refuelling using tankers??
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Old 25th Jun 2023, 22:13
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Originally Posted by NotanAVGeek
Most of the companies are short staffed so it’s difficult enough but when most of the flights are then off schedule it’s an impossible task.

Ground Handlers are trying to get the numbers in but they simply can’t because of the poor wages and working conditions, the lack of experience also a huge contributing factor. When the ground handlers have a good day, they are then delayed because of the assistance company, it’s not uncommon to see delays of nearly an hour waiting on the ambulift for an inbound passenger.

When all the widebody aircraft are in there is a lack of fuellers for everyone else, or the tankers get emptied so they need to make return trips through security posts to fill up, this resulting in delays.

Aircrafts arrive on a stand but have to stop boarding numerous times to allow inbound flights or inbound coaches to disembark. It’s difficult for the ground handlers so I’d expect a lot more of the same in the coming months. Will only get worse with Hainan rejoining the party.

It’s fantastic the industry & airport is thriving in terms of Airlines and routes, but the working conditions and pay for the staff are a shambles.

In hindsight, Covid was the time to improve infrastructure and the runway.
Yep the fueling situation is certainly challenging currently. Installation of a hydrant system would be a massive project that I can't see happening, so not sure what the solution is there if long haul traffic keeps growing.

Agree the runway absolutely should have been resurfaced during Covid as it was already a patchwork quilt then. That is going to be a logistical nightmare now in the next couple years.
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Busy morning at EDI - great to see the Beijing flight and airport seams organised having departure board and announcements in Chinese.
Will be interesting to see the loads on this flight.

The A333 has been hogging Gate 18 but does not seam to have caused an issue today despite some TALA late arrivals today.
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Old 26th Jun 2023, 11:24
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With the Hainan A330 on a 5 1/2 hour turn, are they towing off stand?
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Old 26th Jun 2023, 16:06
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Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot
With the Hainan A330 on a 5 1/2 hour turn, are they towing off stand?
I saw it on stand at 8:30 getting fuelled up and don’t believe it moved. Started to board just after 11 while I was still waiting for my delayed Lon City flight to start boarding.
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Old 26th Jun 2023, 21:30
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Originally Posted by Sk1schoolsam
Busy morning at EDI - great to see the Beijing flight and airport seams organised having departure board and announcements in Chinese.
Will be interesting to see the loads on this flight.

The A333 has been hogging Gate 18 but does not seam to have caused an issue today despite some TALA late arrivals today.
It did have to wait almost an hour to get on that stand this morning due to it landing majorly ahead of schedule...

I believe inbound load was very light, outbound was fairly busy though.
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Originally Posted by GoEDI
It did have to wait almost an hour to get on that stand this morning due to it landing majorly ahead of schedule...

I believe inbound load was very light, outbound was fairly busy though.
As an aside- There were some Businesses / Premium customers in the BA lounge - passes issued by their ground handling agent.
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UA

United continue to do well to/from EDI. Other than a couple of J seats, all flights from the US this evening and all outbound from EDI tomorrow is booked full. The IAD service this evening is on a 763. Both EWR services last night were cancelled which possibly partly explains the full planes.

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Delta also doing well, particularly the ATL route. ATL-EDI booked full this evening. All the inbound services are close to sold out. The American tourists appear to be travelling in sizeable numbers.

VS

Today’s Orlando service went out completely full. 397 pax.
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Old 30th Jun 2023, 07:48
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EDI - Infrastructure & projects.

Some interesting projects currently at design, development and delivery stage as detailed in latest EACC report. Large number of ongoing projects but a few of the major ones include:-

Terminal Expansion - phased project with a current value of 77m. Expected completion date - Jan 30. This figure is over and above projects such a security hall expansion and check in area etc. I wonder what the extension plan is?

Major runway rehab/upgrading. 24m cost and due to be completed Jan 26.

World Duty Free expansion and extension. 2m to be completed Jan 25. Also a second WDF store due to open Oct 23! Just what we need…

Security hall expansion. 18m due to be completed Jan 26.

US Pre-clearance. Current spend 170k. Development delivery date - Jan 24.

Pax figures for first three months of 2023 compared to 2022 - up 76.5%. International growth continues to trump domestic.
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Old 30th Jun 2023, 08:26
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"World Duty Free expansion and extension. 2m to be completed Jan 25. Also a second WDF store due to open Oct 23! Just what we nee"

Well it makes clear wht the priorities are

probably another boost to the drop off charges as well.................
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Old 30th Jun 2023, 08:39
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How do you think these investments get paid for?
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I can't see £77m buying much terminal expansion.
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Originally Posted by inOban
I can't see £77m buying much terminal expansion.
nor £170K advancing Pre-Clearance. Suspect the US fees per year are more than that alone..
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Old 30th Jun 2023, 10:25
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Originally Posted by inOban
I can't see £77m buying much terminal expansion.
I agree. It sounds like another small add-on to the existing building. Separate walkways to immigration for arriving pax at Int Arrivals 2 perhaps. A couple of air bridges added to existing pier creating a couple of gates capable of taking wide-bodies. This sort of money won’t buy you a substantial terminal extension.
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Originally Posted by Asturias56
"World Duty Free expansion and extension. 2m to be completed Jan 25. Also a second WDF store due to open Oct 23! Just what we nee"

Well it makes clear wht the priorities are

probably another boost to the drop off charges as well.................
Funny you should mention that. The drop off point has reopened today with the 10 min drop off charge increased from £4 to £5. The free drop off point is available at the long stay car park for 30 mins.

Edinburgh Airport pick-up and drop-off zone price rises as it re-opens following £1.6 million transformation

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/transport/edinburgh-airport-pick-up-and-drop-off-zone-price-rises-as-it-re-opens-following-ps16-million-transformation-4201616

Edinburgh Airport’s controversial charged pick-up and drop-off zone will cost more from next month as its gets set to re-open to passengers this week following a £1.6 million project to transform the facility.

The zone has been upgraded with the whole ground floor of the multi-storey car park transformed to include a new one-way system spread across four lanes. Digital signage and new walkways, crossings and lighting have also been introduced. This will fully open to passengers on Friday, June 30, with the pick-up zone returning there after being temporarily located in the Terminal car park since January.

From Monday, July 17 the cost of using the facility for up to 10 minutes will be £5 – an increase of £1 on the current price. Airport bosses say this takes the charge in line with those in place at other Scottish airports. Discounts of 50 per cent for local residents and electric vehicle users will remain in place, with the free pick-up and drop-off area in the Long Stay Car Park also being retained to provide choice for passengers.

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Old 30th Jun 2023, 12:20
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I noticed on the report that one person has a lot of time on their hands to complain to the airport!

• Of the 232 complaints filed, 211 were made by 4 complainants.
• 126 of those were made by one complainant in Torphichen – 54% of the overall total for the quarter. No other complaints were received from this area.
The full report is available to read here:

https://assets.ctfassets.net/2hwzhse...ACC_report.pdf
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