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Old 16th Aug 2023, 23:02
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Originally Posted by RW20
The June Pax numbers for SOU are a little dissapointing ,indeed the airport will have diffuculty making the quoted break even figure of 1.2 mill for 2023.
Given that Bournemouth are still increasing flights and paxs numbers,its inperative SOU attract an airline to carry the number of paxs to return it to profitability asap.


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Don’t believe their forecast for 2023 was ever 1.2m, instead more like 750k which they should hit. If they can get some summer flying for next year and the odd additional route maybe year round, including MAN x 3 daily with Loganair, 1m could become much more achievable by 2024 year end!
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Old 17th Aug 2023, 07:35
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Originally Posted by stewyb
Don’t believe their forecast for 2023 was ever 1.2m, instead more like 750k which they should hit. If they can get some summer flying for next year and the odd additional route maybe year round, including MAN x 3 daily with Loganair, 1m could become much more achievable by 2024 year end!
Its not the forcast that I was refering to,its the quoted figure of 1.2 mill pax by Steve Szazlay operations Manager .When consultations were ongoing for the extension he said that the airport was losing 4million a year,and 1.2 million paxs were the break even baseline. If so then its a long way off on the current figures.
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Old 17th Aug 2023, 08:06
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Originally Posted by RW20
Its not the forcast that I was refering to,its the quoted figure of 1.2 mill pax by Steve Szazlay operations Manager .When consultations were ongoing for the extension he said that the airport was losing 4million a year,and 1.2 million paxs were the break even baseline. If so then its a long way off on the current figures.
Hopefully 2024 will be a little more reflective of their break even ambitions

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Old 17th Aug 2023, 15:50
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What the heck - a banana shaped runway?



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Old 17th Aug 2023, 15:54
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Old 17th Aug 2023, 20:10
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At least one, and presumably several, Southampton scheduled carriers will not be using the extension anytime soon.

The runway extension was “opened” by NOTAM with new runway declared distances, however the procedures for updates to AIP information have not been concluded. If you look at the UK AIP September and October planned updates there’s no mention on the runway extension at Southampton. So no official charts, no surveys of new obstacles based on the new runway surfaces and surrounding areas.

Until official data is available from the likes of Jeppesen, Lido et al, via UK AIP updates, the extension is un-useable. No charts. No performance data using the new extension in either direction.
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Old 17th Aug 2023, 20:35
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This is interesting,so officially the extension is unusable until nats aip is published in the future?
TCAS FAN please clarify!!
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Old 17th Aug 2023, 20:48
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Originally Posted by RW20
This is interesting,so officially the extension is unusable until nats aip is published in the future?
TCAS FAN please clarify!!
Unofficially all airlines apart from BA have utilised it already
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Old 17th Aug 2023, 22:57
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Originally Posted by RW20
This is interesting,so officially the extension is unusable until nats aip is published in the future?
TCAS FAN please clarify!!
Firstly many thanks for the confidence expressed in my posts.

The NOTAM is official and therefore the increased declared distances can be used operationally for take-off performance purposes, and in the case of RWY 02 improved landing distance. That said it may be possible that some operators may have not have yet updated their own performance charts for SOU to reflect the improved declared distances.

My post 1901 explains where we go following the NOTAM.

Unless the new blast fence/wall north of the runway is of such height that it penetrates the RWY 02 Type A TOCS surface, which I sincerely doubt that it does, nothing has changed with obstacles. Albeit those south of the runway are farther away from the start of take-off point.

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Old 17th Aug 2023, 23:08
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Originally Posted by TCAS FAN
Firstly many thanks for the confidence expressed in posts.

The NOTAM is official and therefore the increased declared distances can be used operationally for take-off performance purposes, and in the case of RWY 02 improved landing distance. That said it may be possible that some operators may have not have yet updated their own performance charts for SOU to reflect the improved declared distances.

My post 1901 explains where we go following the NOTAM.

Unless the new blast fence/wall north of the runway is of such height that it penetrates the RWY 02 Type A TOCS surface, which I sincerely doubt that it does, nothing has changed with obstacles. Albeit those south of the runway are farther away from the start of take-off point.
Thank you for a clear explanation of the declared distances,I would presume that all operators would want to update there charts asap!
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Old 17th Aug 2023, 23:13
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Originally Posted by ETOPS
What the heck - a banana shaped runway?


Nothing bent on what I assume to be the original copy on the SOU contractor’s app.
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Old 18th Aug 2023, 08:37
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I know - but you might have thought more care would be taken to show off this welcome addition. Even a ground level well framed snap would have looked better
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Old 18th Aug 2023, 08:39
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Originally Posted by TCAS FAN
Nothing bent on what I assume to be the original copy on the SOU contractor’s app.
Thanks to Horizon Imaging Ltd, who I assume is the drone operator, here is the image on the contractor's app.


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Old 18th Aug 2023, 08:40
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PS Nothing to stop you using the new bit for take-off but with the "old" perf figures - used to do that all the time at LGW.
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Have you got a “before” photo as not sure how it used to look?
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Old 18th Aug 2023, 08:50
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What's that odd shaped bit of tarmac near the piano keys - presumably not a turning circle, as that would be marked?
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Old 18th Aug 2023, 09:44
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Thats the old turning circles, first installed when the runway was first constructed in the 1960s, a second added after initial construction.
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Originally Posted by willy wombat
Have you got a “before” photo as not sure how it used to look?
Here it is.


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Old 18th Aug 2023, 12:35
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There should actually be some sort of general celebration for this as, in these eco warrior days, there is so little possibility of new or improved aviation infrastructure.
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And so it’s been proved right. More hysteria. It’s only been open a few days, give things time to catch up! Aircraft are physically taking off from the new tarmac, what more evidence do you need? There was a calibration flight the other day.
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