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Old 14th Aug 2023, 16:39
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Good news on th declared distances,but I noticed that the notam is only up to mid October,surely the declared distanced are now permanent ?
No worries, a NOTAM issued by an aerodrome can only be valid for a maximum of three months. If in this time the data is to become permanent the originator should file an AIP Change Request to formally change the relevant section (s) of the AIP. In this process there is the ability to designate the change as "PERM", which will then be published as such by NATS AIM.

SOU have until 1 September to file the Change Request, which if they meet this deadline will be published mid October to become formally effective on 30 November. Included within the AIP change will be a new Aerodrome Chart to depict the extension
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Old 14th Aug 2023, 17:07
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Expressflight, that was a quick touch-and-go by your post! It had gone before I had completed my response!

Should you continue to be in any doubt, with a 164 metre extension the total runway length is now 1887 metres. The declared distances result in not all the runway being usable for TORA/ASDA performance calculations.

Displaced thresholds for both runways, have not moved. The 02 LDA is slightly extended to 1673, the 20 LDA is unchanged.

Other declared distances are, with the exception of the 20 TODA (1 metre more, which is plausible) are as per those contained in the Planning Application.
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Old 14th Aug 2023, 17:42
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Expressflight, that was a quick touch-and-go by your post! It had gone before I had completed my response!
I commented originally because the new 02 numbers are less than previously apart from a 26m increase on TODA, but then looking at those for 20 I saw that there is an increase on all but LDA so deleted the post. Even so I'm rather disappointed at the increase in TODA on 20 of just 70m. Is this all that was expected?
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Old 14th Aug 2023, 17:52
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Originally Posted by Expressflight
I commented originally because the new 02 numbers are less than previously apart from a 26m increase on TODA, but then looking at those for 20 I saw that there is an increase on all but LDA so deleted the post. Even so I'm rather disappointed at the increase in TODA on 20 of just 70m. Is this all that was expected?
Apart from the 1 metre addition to the 20 TODA, the declared distances are what were specified in the Planning Application, so consequently what was expected.
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Old 14th Aug 2023, 21:01
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Originally Posted by TCAS FAN
No worries, a NOTAM issued by an aerodrome can only be valid for a maximum of three months. If in this time the data is to become permanent the originator should file an AIP Change Request to formally change the relevant section (s) of the AIP. In this process there is the ability to designate the change as "PERM", which will then be published as such by NATS AIM.

SOU have until 1 September to file the Change Request, which if they meet this deadline will be published mid October to become formally effective on 30 November. Included within the AIP change will be a new Aerodrome Chart to depict the extension
Many thanks for the detailed reply,I only hope that the Marhill copse trees dont compromise extended TORA through weight restrictions

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Old 14th Aug 2023, 22:32
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On a separate note ,I understand the airport operations manager Steve Szalay is stepping down,,so whats going on at the management level?​​​
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Old 15th Aug 2023, 08:34
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First departure this morning from the new extension was ATR72 Eastern to ORY and left at 0641 to launch a new era for the airport!
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Old 15th Aug 2023, 08:48
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Originally Posted by RW20
On a separate note ,I understand the airport operations manager Steve Szalay is stepping down,,so whats going on at the management level?​​​
Am often sceptical of "management-speak", may not be anything in it but why "stepping down" rather than "leaving to take up....." ?
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Old 15th Aug 2023, 09:23
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Originally Posted by stewyb
First departure this morning from the new extension was ATR72 Eastern to ORY and left at 0641 to launch a new era for the airport!
Nice of Eastern to commemorate the special event with an unique on time departure. 😉
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Old 15th Aug 2023, 09:59
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Originally Posted by cavokblues
Nice of Eastern to commemorate the special event with an unique on time departure. 😉
Very good news about the extension coming into use, but based upon recent reports of very poor ORY loads, that should have been one flight that did not need the extension!
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Old 15th Aug 2023, 11:43
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Originally Posted by RW20
On a separate note ,I understand the airport operations manager Steve Szalay is stepping down,,so whats going on at the management level?​​​
Something at the back of my mind tells me AGS will offload the airport now they have a more saleable asset with the extension complete and have hired their own ABZ boss as a stop gap. EDI is still up for sale and maybe AGS see this as the final piece for the ĎScottish collectioní, probably totally wrong!

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Originally Posted by stewyb
First departure this morning from the new extension was ATR72 Eastern to ORY and left at 0641 to launch a new era for the airport!
Brilliant news! How ironic after all these years itís the day the runway extension is finally in use and the usual suspect is trying to focus the narrative on an apparent negative event. What an incredibly sad individual. I guess we are going to have a year now of the troll telling us it was a waste of money and why arenít there new routes announced yet etc etc.
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Old 15th Aug 2023, 13:46
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I guess we are going to have a year now of the troll telling us it was a waste of money and why arenít there new routes announced yet

Actually it is probably the truth.
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https://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/237...ock-potential/

“The fact that it will be extended will unlock prosperity for the area, will put Southampton on the map, and will provide more jobs.
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An official opening will take place on September 21.

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Old 16th Aug 2023, 18:33
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SOU really needs to act pretty damn quick and add some Summer 24 routes as BOH had 115k through the airport in June, a whopping 50k more than SOU. If the airport wants a share of this holiday traffic for next summer, announcements need to be made very soon before itís too late and most people have already booked flights from elsewhere!
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Old 16th Aug 2023, 18:51
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Originally Posted by SKOJB
SOU really needs to act pretty damn quick and add some Summer 24 routes as BOH had 115k through the airport in June, a whopping 50k more than SOU. If the airport wants a share of this holiday traffic for next summer, announcements need to be made very soon before itís too late and most people have already booked flights from elsewhere!
I'm quite sure the majority of people don't book this early for next Summer, so there's plenty of time yet. I think the peak time for booking is normally early in the New Year. I'd assume any carriers would aim to get most flights out this side of Christmas to have everything in place for that period. Anyone better informed on the topic?
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Old 16th Aug 2023, 19:10
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There is absolutely no need to panic about the release of Summer 24 flights

The only companies that do this is TUI and Jet 2 they amend constantly and update all the time

Ryanair and EasyJet donít release anything until mid October / November so donít expect anything until then

No one really books until Dec / Jan when it all goes crazy town !!

BA just copy and paste everything for the following year then just cancel at the last minute as always
I have access to BA loads and itís a mixed bag
The TUI charter flights have done so far extremely well with BA Cityflyer , full to be precise ..

However the rest of the schedule like ALC , FAO and AGP about 60 / 70 % for August , the fares are pretty high and could be the reason , but not breaking loads for the height of summer I am afraid





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Old 16th Aug 2023, 19:55
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Thanks MarkeyD, just a little concerned like others that nothing has been announced yet. Do TUI book seats with easyjet?
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Old 16th Aug 2023, 20:07
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Yes EasyJet have contracts with TUI but tend to use them when their airline donít fly to that destination
A good example would be particular in the winter with Crystal Ski
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Old 16th Aug 2023, 22:46
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The June Pax numbers for SOU are a little dissapointing ,indeed the airport will have diffuculty making the quoted break even figure of 1.2 mill for 2023.
Given that Bournemouth are still increasing flights and paxs numbers,its inperative SOU attract an airline to carry the number of paxs to return it to profitability asap.


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