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Old 12th Jul 2023, 18:10
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As easyJet don’t serve this market, Wizz would probably do well once/twice weekly to Poland & Romania using the A320
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Old 12th Jul 2023, 18:26
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Wizzair have just a single route from Bristol, 8 eastern Europe routes from Birmingham, 5 eastern Europe routes at Gatwick and a lot from Luton. Why would Wizz want to open *another* airport in southern England to serve this market and spread themselves even more thinly, along with incurring the costs of an extra airport in their network ?

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Old 12th Jul 2023, 18:48
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Originally Posted by SotonFlightpath
I personally think the name of Hurn lends a certain amount of gravitas to the airport, really important airports are quite happy to be referred to by the names of the villages in which they are situated - Gatwick in Sussex and Heath Row (Heathrow) in what was Middlesex. Associating the airport with a provincial seaside town makes it sound a lot less important!
Agree, except that the Southampton could not be referred to as a "seaside town"..

All but a few hundred metres of the south end of the runway is within the Borough of Eastleigh, and until BAA and their preceding subsidiary pitched up it always was Southampton/Eastleigh Airport.

We don't have "Heathrow Intl" or "Gatwick Intl", what could be next "London Southampton"?
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Old 12th Jul 2023, 18:50
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Why would Wizz want to open *another* airport in southern England to serve this market and spread themselves even more thinly, along with incurring the costs of an extra airport in their network ?
They did it at Southend but then not for long. Lesson learnt?
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Old 12th Jul 2023, 18:52
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Originally Posted by davidjohnson6
Wizzair have just a single route from Bristol, 8 eastern Europe routes from Birmingham, 5 eastern Europe routes at Gatwick and a lot from Luton. Why would Wizz want to open *another* airport in southern England to serve this market and spread themselves even more thinly, along with incurring the costs of an extra airport in their network ?
Because LTN/BHM/BRS are not in southern England. What’s to say that if they have a single route at BRS, they cannot serve the south coast on the same basis where there may be demand, your logic doesn’t stack up!
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Old 12th Jul 2023, 19:06
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I think if wizz were interested in SOU to Poland/Romania they would have made it known on announcement of the extension.
There is a lot of speculation about routes that could be announced,but thats it!
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Old 12th Jul 2023, 20:42
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Originally Posted by RW20
I think if wizz were interested in SOU to Poland/Romania they would have made it known on announcement of the extension.
There is a lot of speculation about routes that could be announced,but thats it!
Just throwing my own thoughts out there RW20 as you can appreciate. As mentioned previous, only bit of intel I do have is easyJet has more routes lined up for S24

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Old 12th Jul 2023, 21:14
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Originally Posted by stewyb
What’s to say that if they have a single route at BRS, they cannot serve the south coast on the same basis where there may be demand, your logic doesn’t stack up!
Airports with just a single route at a low weekly frequency tend not to be very profitable for LCCs, particularly when there are good transport links to other airports in the network which encourages pax to use an alternate airport if their nearest airport is showing high fares. Ideally an LCC airline will want airports with plenty of flights per week to other destinations within their network - pick a few sample airports in Ryanair's or Southwest's networks and you'll see what I mean. I'm guessing that Bristol is probably just about hanging on as a Wizz destination, but it's certainly not looking healthy from the point of view of a Wizz accountant. Long term, Wizz needs to bulk up on BRS or consider dropping BRS or find some special case why BRS should be kept (e.g. pax are unusually willing to pay a high fare premium to use BRS)
If Bristol can support only a single Wizz route, I'm not particularly hopeful around SOU's chances of getting routes from Wizz in the immediate future

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Old 12th Jul 2023, 21:25
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As runway 20 already has a displaced threshold, would I be correct in assuming that the landing distance available will remain the same when the runway extension is opened?
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Old 12th Jul 2023, 21:42
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Originally Posted by LTNman
As runway 20 already has a displaced threshold, would I be correct in assuming that the landing distance available will remain the same when the runway extension is opened?
You are spot on and LDA on 20 remains the same
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Reading in the Telegraph that the SOU drop-off charge has gone up to £6. Forget it, drop-off at Parkway Station for free and walk over.

Stopped using airport taxis years ago, walk over to Parkway for a much better deal.
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Old 13th Jul 2023, 07:53
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Reading in the Telegraph that the SOU drop-off charge has gone up to £6. Forget it, drop-off at Parkway Station for free and walk over.

Stopped using airport taxis years ago, walk over to Parkway for a much better deal.
Let's see how long that lasts if an LCC turns up
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Old 13th Jul 2023, 09:10
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB
Let's see how long that lasts if an LCC turns up
Not going to change, there are far more daily commuters into London together with those going up-country that use Parkway than those using the airport.
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Old 13th Jul 2023, 10:34
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Originally Posted by stewyb
You are spot on and LDA on 20 remains the same
The LDA on 20 will be the same as at SEN, which doesn't seem to cause any LoCo problems. Is the SOU runway grooved?
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Old 13th Jul 2023, 11:23
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Originally Posted by Expressflight
The LDA on 20 will be the same as at SEN, which doesn't seem to cause any LoCo problems. Is the SOU runway grooved?
According to the data I have LDA at max landing weight for A320 Neo is 1650M, surprisingly the same for a A320 is 1440M!

Yes the runway is grooved but they don’t work as well as they should due to a cross fall with drain gully on the east side. Water often sits in the gully, preventing the grooves from draining.

The issue of grooving has lost some of its importance due to new runway state reporting requirements that came in last November. The description “Damp” which did not incur a performance penalty is no longer used. Consequently what was Damp, with a change of surface colour, is now considered as “Wet” which could impose a performance penalty. Crazy!

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Old 13th Jul 2023, 13:34
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Reading in the Telegraph that the SOU drop-off charge has gone up to £6. Forget it, drop-off at Parkway Station for free and walk over.
A surprising comment from such a hardcore fan and advocate of SOU, either you want the airport to start making a profit or you don't.
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Old 13th Jul 2023, 14:02
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50% increase since the last increase just a year ago. Southampton Airport doing their bit to lower inflation.

https://www.southamptonairport.com/n...mpton-airport/


A number of changes are being made to Express Drop Off facilities as part of a review at Southampton Airport. The Express Drop Off in fee will be set at £4 for 20 minutes from June 14, 2022.
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Old 13th Jul 2023, 14:03
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Originally Posted by Dropoffcharge
A surprising comment from such a hardcore fan and advocate of SOU, either you want the airport to start making a profit or you don't.
Just trying to save the others some money. Look on it as a perk of thread readership.

The majority of Joe Public will probably remain oblivious.

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Old 13th Jul 2023, 14:25
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It'll be all over the social media and the local press as a "Money Saving Hack" !
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Old 14th Jul 2023, 05:10
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Originally Posted by Dropoffcharge
A surprising comment from such a hardcore fan and advocate of SOU, either you want the airport to start making a profit or you don't.

Most airports offer a free drop off at an airport car park with the inconvenience of a longer walk or a free bus to catch. Consider the station to be Southampton’s unpublished equivalent, as the cost of travelling through an airport will be a consideration for LCC passengers on a tight budget particularly those passengers where Southampton is one of many airports where they could travel from.
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