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Old 9th Oct 2023, 18:18
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Everybody talking about Summer routes,but given the new declared distances,surely the Canaries is a winter possibility in the future?
I am not qualified to provide a conclusive answer, however making a simplistic calculation the A320 Neo is shown as having a range of 3500 NM off a 1951M runway.

The direct distance SOU/TFS is 1537 NM. With weight allowances for hold/diversion factored in it would appear to me that SOU/TFS is commercially possible, especially with the lower winter temperatures.
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Old 9th Oct 2023, 19:45
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Many thanks TCAS FAN, as I thought a clear potential destination from SOU,given the popularity of the Canaries.
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Originally Posted by TCAS FAN
I am not qualified to provide a conclusive answer, however making a simplistic calculation the A320 Neo is shown as having a range of 3500 NM off a 1951M runway.

The direct distance SOU/TFS is 1537 NM. With weight allowances for hold/diversion factored in it would appear to me that SOU/TFS is commercially possible, especially with the lower winter temperatures.
The devil is in the detail, I’ve seen but can’t share the estimates using Airbus/Boeing data - mainland Spain and Italy works without payload limits for the A320 ceo/neo.

More of a challenge for the Max. Faro is about the limit. The A321 is even more constrained unless payload limits used. BCN is about the limit.

The Canaries and Turkey are marginal even for the 320 and a non-starter for the Max and 321

Even so, that’s a lot of summer potential for the airport with the A320. Winter sun routes remain difficult. Keep on skiing! Its nearer to home.

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With the stands being realigned for bigger aircraft I think we can be confident an announcement isn’t too far off. Maybe a low cost operator has laid down a list of requirements that need to be actioned before they move in, such as the work to the stands.

Even if you don’t subscribe to rumours or educated guesses, there are two simple facts at play here. One is that SOU is clearly making the changes needed to accommodate a low cost operator and two that the London airports are likely going be back to being maxed out next summer. Growth will need to come from the likes of SOU.

On a final note isn’t it refreshing to not have any car park fires leading to the full closure of the airport
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Old 11th Oct 2023, 18:43
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On a final note isn’t it refreshing to not have any car park fires leading to the full closure of the airport
Don't jinx it !
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Old 11th Oct 2023, 19:44
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On a final note isn’t it refreshing to not have any car park fires leading to the full closure of the airport
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This thread truly represents the worse in people in society today. Rather than rally around the positive people and build a community we have glass half full malcontents trying to make others feel as sad and lonely as themselves.
Oh dear...
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Old 11th Oct 2023, 19:55
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Could Jet2 be an option as heard them mentioned as an airline the airport may go after? Have no idea personally but guess it would match a LCC come tour operator
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Old 11th Oct 2023, 21:02
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Could Jet2 be an option as heard them mentioned as an airline the airport may go after? Have no idea personally but guess it would match a LCC come tour operator
Doesn't the already comprehensively discussed 738 performance limitations make Jet2 unlikely unless / until they take delivery of A320s?

Not being critical or negative in any way. Jet2 could be really good for the airport.
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Old 11th Oct 2023, 22:04
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Originally Posted by Rivet Joint
With the stands being realigned for bigger aircraft I think we can be confident an announcement isn’t too far off. Maybe a low cost operator has laid down a list of requirements that need to be actioned before they move in, such as the work to the stands.

Even if you don’t subscribe to rumours or educated guesses, there are two simple facts at play here. One is that SOU is clearly making the changes needed to accommodate a low cost operator and two that the London airports are likely going be back to being maxed out next summer. Growth will need to come from the likes of SOU.

On a final note isn’t it refreshing to not have any car park fires leading to the full closure of the airport
An announcement may well be coming but I don't think work to the stands is necessarily a sign it is imminent. In the grand scheme of things, realigning a few stands is a fairly straightforward operation considering any announcement would be for operations starting in 2024, so I'm sceptical an airline would he holding back announcing because of that.

Similarly, disagree re London's market and potential implications. Southend isn't full whatsoever and won't be next year with capacity there for an extra 2 million at least. Stansted isn't anywhere near full, I think it can take 30m+ on current infrastructure.

But I don't think Southampton's future is dependent on the London market.
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An announcement may well be coming but I don't think work to the stands is necessarily a sign it is imminent. In the grand scheme of things, realigning a few stands is a fairly straightforward operation considering any announcement would be for operations starting in 2024, so I'm sceptical an airline would he holding back announcing because of that.

Similarly, disagree re London's market and potential implications. Southend isn't full whatsoever and won't be next year with capacity there for an extra 2 million at least. Stansted isn't anywhere near full, I think it can take 30m+ on current infrastructure.

But I don't think Southampton's future is dependent on the London market.
Absolutely spot on, I couldn't agree more regarding your excellent reply 👍
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[QUOTE=Rivet Joint;11518967]With the stands being realigned for bigger aircraft I think we can be confident an announcement isn’t too far off. Maybe a low cost operator has laid down a list of requirements that need to be actioned before they move in, such as the work to the stands.

Even if you don’t subscribe to rumours or educated guesses, there are two simple facts at play here. One is that SOU is clearly making the changes needed to accommodate a low cost operator and two that the London airports are likely going be back to being maxed out next summer. Growth will need to come from the likes of SOU.

On a final note isn’t it refreshing to not have any car park fires leading to the full closure of the airport [/QUOTE

Your final remark is appalling in light of circumstances! Please don’t give the excuse it was meant as humour. Completely out of order! A new low for the Southampton thread.
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Well I read it as satire / black humour.

These days there appears to be a total loss of the humour gene, unless its harmless 'banana skin' stuff.
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Well I read it as satire / black humour.

These days there appears to be a total loss of the humour gene, unless its harmless 'banana skin' stuff.
I think the point is one poster here got pilloried and insulted for making humourous comments. I read it as hypocrisy.
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Originally Posted by Rivet Joint

On a final note isn’t it refreshing to not have any car park fires leading to the full closure of the airport
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Your final remark is appalling in light of circumstances! Please don’t give the excuse it was meant as humour. Completely out of order! A new low for the Southampton thread.
The comment was aimed at me but I found it funny. I think vectisman is just being rather silly with his indignation so carry on.

Mind you, it wasn't as funny as my greenhouse and potting shed comment that went down like a led balloon. The comments here had me in stitches, as there was intense anger from some folk, who should have just ignored it.
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I think the point is one poster here got pilloried and insulted for making humourous comments. I read it as hypocrisy.
Hmm, one comment in retaliation of months and months of negative comments from a poster that has clearly evidenced that he has no affiliation with the airport this thread is associated with? Where are your posts objecting to his much larger amount of negative comments? Odd person.

Oh and Vectis give your head a wobble. It was clearly a joke and making light of the fact that the fire had resulted in this thread being unusually free of its Luton based pessimist. No one died in the fire I might add. You might want to look in the news to see things that are actually worthy of such reaction.

Cavok, I didn’t say an announcement was imminent. I said that evidence suggest SOU is making moves that could lead to it materialising. Also, I obviously wasn’t including SEN in my London airports reference. They like SOU benefit from the big London airports reaching capacity. Also Stansted might not be at capacity but it’s still very busy and a pain to use.

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Originally Posted by Rivet Joint
With the stands being realigned for bigger aircraft I think we can be confident an announcement isn’t too far off. Maybe a low cost operator has laid down a list of requirements that need to be actioned before they move in, such as the work to the stands.

Even if you don’t subscribe to rumours or educated guesses, there are two simple facts at play here. One is that SOU is clearly making the changes needed to accommodate a low cost operator and two that the London airports are likely going be back to being maxed out next summer. Growth will need to come from the likes of SOU.

On a final note isn’t it refreshing to not have any car park fires leading to the full closure of the airport
it would be total nonsense if the stands werent realigned,given the new declared distances.The airport will then be prepared for 320 operations when they happen.
Airlines decide routes accordingly to demand,that demand is the key factor for SOU progress.


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Originally Posted by RW20
it would be total nonsense if the stands werent realigned,given the new declared distances.The airport will then be prepared for 320 operations when they happen.
Airlines decide routes accordingly to demand,that demand is the key factor for SOU progress.


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Everybody says it cannot happen but I still have a sneaky the airport may see some 737 action as well. Just that good old gut feeling I have and its not my IBS!
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Old 12th Oct 2023, 13:01
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Originally Posted by Rivet Joint
With the stands being realigned for bigger aircraft I think we can be confident an announcement isn’t too far off. Maybe a low cost operator has laid down a list of requirements that need to be actioned before they move in, such as the work to the stands.
Even if you don’t subscribe to rumours or educated guesses, there are two simple facts at play here. One is that SOU is clearly making the changes needed to accommodate a low cost operator and two that the London airports are likely going be back to being maxed out next summer. Growth will need to come from the likes of SOU.
On a final note isn’t it refreshing to not have any car park fires leading to the full closure of the airport
Growth in this market can come from using bigger aircraft, easyJet are moving from away from A319s to A320/A321, Ryanair have 20% more seats in the MAX vs. the B737-800. So on a per movement basis, there is still quite some scope for growth at LGW and STN. For example LHR was declared full in 1977 and has continued to grow ever since using ever larger aircraft. What that does mean is that the likes of SEN and SOU will have to do more than just wait for the other London airports to max out. The old SOU model of higher cost, high frequency business traffic on low volume aircraft may well have seen it's best days behind us now, and a move towards high volume low cost, low frequency won't come easily. I am not convinced SEN will ever make money again now that bubble has popped, it wiil be interesting to see how SOU manage the upcoming changes.
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Having worked in Jersey for the last three years at the airport a local travel company
Fly Direct
operated weekly charters to TFS using Smartwings B738 and Max B73M although the flight was capped at 155 passengers and baggage was standard at 23 kg per pax
The aircraft managed quite easily on the 5594ft runway
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Has the new TODA at Southampton been confirmed yet? Jersey's has hardly any obstacles off 26 so performance not as inhibited as it may be at Southampton.
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