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Old 11th Aug 2023, 10:22
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Anyone know why TWY A north of Hangar 1 has, and still is to end of September, NOTAMed as temporarily part of the Northern Apron? Aircraft parking?
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Old 11th Aug 2023, 10:30
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Originally Posted by TCAS FAN
Anyone know why TWY A north of Hangar 1 has, and still is to end of September, NOTAMed as temporarily part of the Northern Apron? Aircraft parking?
I had heard this taxiway is now downgraded and was being used as an apron for Signature/Jetworks, for how long not sure but guess it could become permanent
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Old 11th Aug 2023, 11:28
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Originally Posted by stewyb
I had heard this taxiway is now downgraded and was being used as an apron for Signature/Jetworks, for how long not sure but guess it could become permanent
If itís long term hopefully only unti the TWY A missing link is built.

Presumably Stand 13 / 14 not currently needed by AGS?
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Originally Posted by TCAS FAN
If itís long term hopefully only unti the TWY A missing link is built.

Presumably Stand 13 / 14 not currently needed by AGS?
stands 13/14 has only been used in recent times for charter/biz. No knowledge but I think any taxiway link to 20 in the future will now come from main intersection up the north east side
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Originally Posted by stewyb
stand 13/14 has only been used in recent times for charter/biz jet. No knowledge but I think any taxiway link to 20 in the future will now come from main intersection up the north east side
Presumably you mean from TWY B intersection? If so certainly the costly option which will only benefit RWY 20 runway movement rates.

By far the cheaper, and the most operationally beneficial option for both runways would be the northern TWY A connection.

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Old 11th Aug 2023, 12:27
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Originally Posted by TCAS FAN
Presumably you mean from TWY B intersection? If so certainly the costly option which will only benefit RWY 20 runway movement rates.

By far the cheaper, and the most operationally beneficial option for both runways would be the northern TWY A connection.
Yes TWY B and agreed that it will be costly, however if the Freeport is developed in the NE corner then this may be an option with more apron/hangar space on that side. As I have mentioned previous and also drafted on the airport master plan, the easiest and quickest way would be a piece of tarmac out from stand 14 to runway, albeit there would still be a backtrack to 20!
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Old 11th Aug 2023, 12:45
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Originally Posted by stewyb
Yes TWY B and agreed that it will be costly, however if the Freeport is developed in the NE corner then this may be an option with more apron/hangar space on that side. As I have mentioned previous and also drafted on the airport master plan, the easiest and quickest way would be a piece of tarmac out from stand 14 to runway, albeit there would still be a backtrack to 20!
In fact a considerably shorter backtrack on RWY 20 for takeoff, and same for after landing on RWY 02, with possibly no backtrack at all!

If you ask the question ďwhich option?Ē to a SOU ATCO, Iím very confident what their answer would be to achieve the best runway movement rate.
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Early finish of extension?

C4579/23 NOTAMN
Q) EGTT/QMDCH/IV/NBO/A /000/999/5057N00121W005
A) EGHI B) 2308150530 C) 2310102200
E) DECLARED DISTANCES
RWY 02 TORA 1745M TODA 1805M ASDA 1745M LDA 1673M
RWY 20 TORA 1814M TODA 1875M ASDA 1814M LDA 1605M
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Originally Posted by L1011effoh
Early finish of extension?

C4579/23 NOTAMN
Q) EGTT/QMDCH/IV/NBO/A /000/999/5057N00121W005
A) EGHI B) 2308150530 C) 2310102200
E) DECLARED DISTANCES
RWY 02 TORA 1745M TODA 1805M ASDA 1745M LDA 1673M
RWY 20 TORA 1814M TODA 1875M ASDA 1814M LDA 1605M
Would certainly appear so. Last I heard the extension paint markings are due to go down night of 14/15 August. As the NOTAM is effective as of airport opening on 15th would all tie in.

Must admit am trully amazed that CAA have apparently given approval in advance of completion of all work. NATS AIM would not have published the NOTAM without CAA approving it.

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Old 13th Aug 2023, 21:07
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Believe it will be available for use as of Tuesday airfield opening. Paint is already down.
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Old 13th Aug 2023, 21:18
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Is the runway extension ready in time for airlines to consider launching new routes in S24 instead of W24/25, or has SOU (ever so slightly) missed the boat on this ?
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Old 13th Aug 2023, 22:49
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Originally Posted by davidjohnson6
Is the runway extension ready in time for airlines to consider launching new routes in S24 instead of W24/25, or has SOU (ever so slightly) missed the boat on this ?
As the project kicked off in the first quarter of this year with a projected completion mid August, even with an overrun, which fortunately has not happened, the opportunity has been there for operators to plan for S24 routes.

There have been hints of something to be announced.
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Originally Posted by L1011effoh
Early finish of extension?

C4579/23 NOTAMN
Q) EGTT/QMDCH/IV/NBO/A /000/999/5057N00121W005
A) EGHI B) 2308150530 C) 2310102200
E) DECLARED DISTANCES
RWY 02 TORA 1745M TODA 1805M ASDA 1745M LDA 1673M
RWY 20 TORA 1814M TODA 1875M ASDA 1814M LDA 1605M

Interesting, at Luton around 90% of all departures take off from an intersection with Twy A with a TORA of only 1771m when that runway is in use. That includes A321’s and Ryanair 737’s. The big difference is the TODA, which at Luton is 2657m, as it is like launching off an aircraft carrier due to the airports elevated position. A lack of a sizeable clearway is the limiting factor at SOU but you all know that anyway. I wonder how much TODA has been lost due to those trees?

Has it made a difference as at the other end the TODA will have remained the same?

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Old 14th Aug 2023, 00:11
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Originally Posted by TCAS FAN
As the project kicked off in the first quarter of this year with a projected completion mid August, even with an overrun, which fortunately has not happened, the opportunity has been there for operators to plan for S24 routes.
There have been hints of something to be announced.
I agree that an airlines had plenty of information what the plan was, along with delivery dates... but it's a somewhat foolish airline that makes commitments to routes until the metaphorical paint on the runway is completely dry. Until that point, one never knows 100% what unforeseen things might decide to raise its head !
Perhaps I should have rephrased the question better - do the airlines targetted by the SOU business development team still have significant internal and external flexibility to make substantive decisions for S24 about deploying capacity to SOU, or is it just a little bit too late in the route-planning process for this to happen ?
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Old 14th Aug 2023, 06:08
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I think it will be a while yet before announcements for S24. November would be my guess, but the announcements will come.
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Old 14th Aug 2023, 08:45
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The real question here is when do easyjet release their S24 flight only seats?
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Old 14th Aug 2023, 09:41
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Originally Posted by stewyb
The real question here is when do easyjet release their S24 flight only seats?
Don't new routes/destinations get announced separately from what is often just a roll over of previous schedules?
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB
Don't new routes/destinations get announced separately from what is often just a roll over of previous schedules?
Good point and seems in previous years EZY have announced new routes in December. The airport have stated they hope to have news before year end!

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Old 14th Aug 2023, 15:26
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Originally Posted by TCAS FAN
Would certainly appear so. Last I heard the extension paint markings are due to go down night of 14/15 August. As the NOTAM is effective as of airport opening on 15th would all tie in.

Must admit am trully amazed that CAA have apparently given approval in advance of completion of all work. NATS AIM would not have published the NOTAM without CAA approving it.
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Good news on th declared distances,but I noticed that the notam is only up to mid October,surely the declared distanced are now permanent ?
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