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Old 2nd Sep 2023, 17:30
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Old 2nd Sep 2023, 17:46
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Definitely a strange post from RJ which rather contradicts Ö.
In one breath Ryanair is Poundland to BOH
but very happy to welcome Wizz air into the Southampton fold

I think SOU would ď NOT ď be jumping for joy if they suddenly rocked up to the party at the airport
Just have a read at how bad that lot are and the repercussions at the airport will follow



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Old 2nd Sep 2023, 17:56
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Originally Posted by stewyb
Why surprised by my post? I have said nothing controversial and instead only pointed out that there will be interesting times ahead for both south coast airports
Its clear that BOH have got there act together and are doing well,the fact that they can base aircraft for operations is major plus, Ryanair etc can operate without restrictions ,often landing into early hours if delayed..This is where LCCs have a problem with SOU very restricted hours.For future operations and long term survival SOU needs to attract a Sun route operater that can operate within the restrictive hours,time will tell!
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Old 2nd Sep 2023, 22:20
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Originally Posted by RW20
Its clear that BOH have got there act together and are doing well,the fact that they can base aircraft for operations is major plus, Ryanair etc can operate without restrictions ,often landing into early hours if delayed..This is where LCCs have a problem with SOU very restricted hours.For future operations and long term survival SOU needs to attract a Sun route operater that can operate within the restrictive hours,time will tell!
Not quite sure that is entirely correct as not many/if any flights land after 2330 into BOH and are regularly diverted if so. As for SOU, yes maybe restrictive hours but a large non based EZY operation will fit in well with their numerous scheduled services domestic and international. As for SOU long term survival, please donít worry as they will be just fine!
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Old 3rd Sep 2023, 05:34
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I dont think you are correct with the the Boh diversion facts,for example in the last couple of days they have had two arrivals after 23-30,and one @ 00-15!
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Old 3rd Sep 2023, 09:13
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"As for SOU long term survival, please don’t worry as they will be just fine!"

I wish I could be so upbeat - its a small airport surrounded by developments- eventually the value of the land for building will far exceed any aviation business case. It's a sitting target for redevelopment - not this year, maybe not 5 years - but in 10 years........................... The Govt, the local authorities and the developers will be screaming for more land in the area
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Old 3rd Sep 2023, 16:41
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Originally Posted by Asturias56
"As for SOU long term survival, please donít worry as they will be just fine!"

I wish I could be so upbeat - itís a small airport surrounded by developments- eventually the value of the land for building will far exceed any aviation business case. It's a sitting target for redevelopment - not this year, maybe not 5 years - but in 10 years........................... The Govt, the local authorities and the developers will be screaming for more land in the area
If AGSís strategy is to ultimately sell off the site for non-aviation development why the recent large investment in a runway extension?

Without an extension a case could possibly have been made that the airport business was no longer viable and the land sold off. In such cases I understand that it may be considered as a brownfield site thereby circumventing many development constraints, making it very attractive to developers.
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Old 4th Sep 2023, 08:25
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May not be their current plan - but times and shareholders (and even owners) change - especially when there are meg-buck to be made I'm afraid
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Old 4th Sep 2023, 10:21
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Donít you just love PPrune, the tarmac on a new runway extension has hardly had a chance to set and already a suggestion of the airport closing for alternative commercial means!
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Old 4th Sep 2023, 12:02
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Originally Posted by RW20
I dont think you are correct with the the Boh diversion facts,for example in the last couple of days they have had two arrivals after 23-30,and one @ 00-15!
Hasn't there been an approved national relaxation of night restrictions in the days following the NATS failure?
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Originally Posted by SouthernAlliance
Donít you just love PPrune, the tarmac on a new runway extension has hardly had a chance to set and already a suggestion of the airport closing for alternative commercial means!
well someone was saying it would last forever - TBH smaller airports are under increasing pressure just about everywhere in the world. All that space is very attractive to just about any other industry (or politician). I reckon its good for ten years - after that.... I doubt it
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Old 5th Sep 2023, 13:03
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Originally Posted by stewyb
Why surprised by my post? I have said nothing controversial and instead only pointed out that there will be interesting times ahead for both south coast airports
Mainly because it will stir up the BOH v SOU debate again and have the usual trolls rubbing their hands together and so it has proved correct. I know it wasnít your intention but unfortunately so many trolls seem to be attracted to this thread.

Markeyd: Wizz is almost always the preferred airline for people from Eastern Europe. Many from the local area travel all the way to Luton to fly them. I doubt Ezy plan any Eastern European routes so Wizz could do those routes and not affect Ezy.
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Old 5th Sep 2023, 13:26
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There are no trolls on the thread just people with a neutral stance who are not afraid to ask questions and to point out a few facts to those with deaf ears who keep spouting on about trolls.
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Old 5th Sep 2023, 13:55
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As discussed time and time again for many years SOU is not targeting penny pinchers paying a few quid to fly the awful RYR.


You could see from the extremely jealous and mean spirited letters BOH submitted to object to SOU’s runway extension that they know SOU with a low cost operator will be much more successful than them.
​​​​​​​So I will say it again, BOH is completely irrelevant to SOU. It's a poor airport, poorly located, with poor transport links that gets by with Poundland flights.
Yes, let's not "stir up the BOH v SOU debate again" !​​​​​​​
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Old 6th Sep 2023, 09:00
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Originally Posted by Pain in the R's
There are no trolls on the thread just people with a neutral stance who are not afraid to ask questions and to point out a few facts to those with deaf ears who keep spouting on about trolls.
Exactly- its not being a "troll" to point out facts that affect almost every Airport in Europe (and even the USA in places) - when you see the possibility of AMS being trimmed down you have to realise that not everyone thinks that airports are wonderful. The danger is that the anti- group is growing steadily in many countries. The smaller the airport the more likely that someone will decide to take a pop at it
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Eastern now loaded ORY for winter season, assume this is only continuing because AF subsidise a large number of seats on each flight!

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Old 6th Sep 2023, 20:08
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Originally Posted by Asturias56
Exactly- its not being a "troll" to point out facts that affect almost every Airport in Europe (and even the USA in places) - when you see the possibility of AMS being trimmed down you have to realise that not everyone thinks that airports are wonderful. The danger is that the anti- group is growing steadily in many countries. The smaller the airport the more likely that someone will decide to take a pop at it

Is that so? So tell me, if I go and check all the other airport threads I will see you and the aptly named pain in the Rís posting the same dose of reality on those threads? Doubt it. I have never seen another thread on this forum abused as much as the SOU one. Fair enough if itís reasoned debate but people talking about the airport being closed for housing at a time when they have just invested lots of money in a new runway has no logic to it. Itís just someone racked with insecurities and rather than addressing them tries to make everyone else feel as bad as they do i.e. a troll.

Are you suggesting the AMS route is potentially at risk because of itís performance rather that the well publicised clampdown by the Dutch government on flights?
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Old 6th Sep 2023, 20:16
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB





Yes, let's not "stir up the BOH v SOU debate again" !
Which bit isnít factual?

I actually point out BOHís main strength and indeed the reason why both it and SOU can coexist very easily even when SOU has a low cost operator. SOU is a commercial flight airport, BOH does a little bit of everything and therefore will not live or die based on its commercial flights. TUI and FR will continue to do what they are doing regardless of SOU having low cost flights. Right, letís move on.
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Old 6th Sep 2023, 20:18
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Originally Posted by Rivet Joint
Which bit isnít factual?

I actually point out BOHís main strength and indeed the reason why both it and SOU can coexist very easily even when SOU has a low cost operator. SOU is a commercial flight airport, BOH does a little bit of everything and therefore will not live or die based on its commercial flights. TUI and FR will continue to do what they are doing regardless of SOU having low cost flights. Right, letís move on.
Hopefully you will personally adhere to those last four words you have used in your latest rant 😉
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Old 7th Sep 2023, 05:58
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Target markets

All the regional airports on the south coast, when looking to drive growth - which they always are - will seek ways to serve more of the demand currently using the London airports, especially LHR/LGW. These two airports between them in 2019 handled near 100 times the combined annual throughput of BOH/SOU today. And are almost back to 2019 traffic.

By grabbing just 1% of that LHR/LGW market, these south coast airports could double their passenger figures. The management focus will be there, not eating the lunch of their nearer neighbour.

I wish them both luck.

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