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Old 17th Feb 2024, 15:02
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H&IOW new base

Looks like the Hampshire & Isle of Wight air ambulance want to open a new base at the airport. Could be a nice extra revenue stream for the airport if approved. I cannot immediately see the location but somewhere in the south western corner.

it would be great if the development land in the north east corner could be used for for airport related stuff, like more private jet parking, maintenance, painting etc. perhaps even manufacture of aircraft or parts. It will have free port status which should be attractive to potential occupiers. No doubt it will end up being yet more metal sheds for haulage companies though.
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Old 17th Feb 2024, 19:59
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Originally Posted by Rivet Joint
Looks like the Hampshire & Isle of Wight air ambulance want to open a new base at the airport. Could be a nice extra revenue stream for the airport if approved. I cannot immediately see the location but somewhere in the south western corner.

it would be great if the development land in the north east corner could be used for for airport related stuff, like more private jet parking, maintenance, painting etc. perhaps even manufacture of aircraft or parts. It will have free port status which should be attractive to potential occupiers. No doubt it will end up being yet more metal sheds for haulage companies though.
The image shows the proposed location for the Hampshire & Isle of Wight air ambulance base "near" to Southampton Airport.



I totally agree with your comments regarding the development of the north east corner.
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Old 17th Feb 2024, 20:35
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Originally Posted by Rivet Joint
Looks like the Hampshire & Isle of Wight air ambulance want to open a new base at the airport. Could be a nice extra revenue stream for the airport if approved.
Rather mean if SOU charges a charity that saves lives landing fees
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Old 18th Feb 2024, 02:21
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Originally Posted by Rivet Joint
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it would be great if the development land in the north east corner could be used for for airport related stuff, like more private jet parking, maintenance, painting etc. perhaps even manufacture of aircraft or parts. It will have free port status which should be attractive to potential occupiers. No doubt it will end up being yet more metal sheds for haulage companies though.
The historical problem remains, how is road access going to be economically viable? That aside, unless NATS are going to shortly de-commission the “SAM” VORDME, safeguarding requirements for it could significantly limit any building development.
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Old 18th Feb 2024, 11:33
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NATS would love to de-commission the VOR tomorrow, it isn't one that is being retained in their plans and they've been trying to switch it off for the last few years. The only procedures which it is needed for are the Airport's so as soon as they make alternative arrangements it can be withdrawn. It will of course have to be safeguarded whilst it is still operational.
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Old 18th Feb 2024, 21:25
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Marlhill Copse goes before the planning committee this week, officer recommends refusal for height reduction to 25 trees but approves the felling of 14 trees including large pines. Will be interesting to hear the outcome

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Old 20th Feb 2024, 09:25
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Originally Posted by TCAS FAN
The historical problem remains, how is road access going to be economically viable? That aside, unless NATS are going to shortly de-commission the “SAM” VORDME, safeguarding requirements for it could significantly limit any building development.
I’m sure that’s been thought about. There are actually two parcels of land in this part of the free port. The other appears to be where the railway works currently are so perhaps the road will come through there. The tax cuts will make it viable.

Speaking of the Paris flight Eastern cancelled the flight on Friday, Sunday and today flight. Operating 2 out of 5 days isn’t too bad I guess! Oh and there were planes and crews for the football charters. Surely airlines have to be accountable for behaviour like this? Those passengers are going to struggle to get their money back from Eastern, hotels etc. personally think they should be banned from operating scheduled flights. And that’s before we talk about their woeful performance at charter ops. TAP and ITA can speak on that and now Aurigny are learning the hard way.
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Old 20th Feb 2024, 14:52
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Eastern

Eastern Airways is not run as a business, not now, it's 1 man's vanity showing I own an airline and I do not care how it is run or what I do.

The constant mishmash of aircraft types in low numbers, the falling out with Bristows, the stupid plan with flybe.

This airline only survives from his other business ventures which actually make money and are run properly.
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Old 21st Feb 2024, 15:37
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Originally Posted by eglnyt
NATS would love to de-commission the VOR tomorrow, it isn't one that is being retained in their plans and they've been trying to switch it off for the last few years. The only procedures which it is needed for are the Airport's so as soon as they make alternative arrangements it can be withdrawn. It will of course have to be safeguarded whilst it is still operational.
In the case of RWY 02 alternative arrangements have already been made with provision of a RNP IAP plus NDB/DME IAP. The current VOR/DME IAP could therefore be dispensed with.

In the case of RWY 20 ILS is the primary IAP with NDB/DME as a back up. The VOR/DME IAP has always been next to useless as it cannot be flown by CAT C aircraft. From what I recollect from past instrument procedure design work is due to the position of the VOR/DME site in relation to the RWY 20 centreline.

Provision of a RNP IAP for RWY 20 is at present impracticable due to controlled airspace constraints which would result in aircraft leaving controlled airspace when flying the procedure, as is already the case with the NDBDME and VOR/DME IAPs. This problem is not going away for at least 2-3 years (or more) until the current tortuously slow Airspace Change Process finally comes to a conclusion. That's assuming that SOU's highly paid consultants get the final airspace design right to ensure all aircraft remain within controlled airspace when flying IAPs for RWY 20.

NATS are not known for their generosity so somewhat doubt that the VOR/DME is being retained for purely IAPs at SOU when, from that noted above, there is no significant operational advantage for SOU. Or possibly NATS are taking money from SOU to keep it running without SOU realising this?
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Old 21st Feb 2024, 16:11
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Originally Posted by SouthernAlliance
Marlhill Copse goes before the planning committee this week, officer recommends refusal for height reduction to 25 trees but approves the felling of 14 trees including large pines. Will be interesting to hear the outcome
As proposed, crown reduction was refused and felling of 14 trees approved
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Old 21st Feb 2024, 16:19
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What implications, if any, does this have on the R/W performance issues?
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Old 21st Feb 2024, 16:25
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Originally Posted by Sharklet_321
What implications, if any, does this have on the R/W performance issues?
not sure but they are felling 3 tall pines that I assume are affecting obstacle clearance. Sounds like any further works required will need to go via central government for approval and to circumnavigate TPO’s
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Old 21st Feb 2024, 16:39
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Originally Posted by Sharklet_321
What implications, if any, does this have on the R/W performance issues?
That cannot be quantified until SOU determine if the permitted limited scope of work will provide any significant performance improvements to make the project financially viable.. If it does, tree felling to be completed, airport's surveyor's summoned to carry out a check survey, then submit data to NATS AIM for production of new Type A Charts. If this all happens would estimate mid to late summer before the charts are published.
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Old 21st Feb 2024, 16:52
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Originally Posted by TCAS FAN
That cannot be quantified until SOU determine if the permitted limited scope of work will provide any significant performance improvements to make the project financially viable.. If it does, tree felling to be completed, airport's surveyor's summoned to carry out a check survey, then submit data to NATS AIM for production of new Type A Charts. If this all happens would estimate mid to late summer before the charts are published.
if indeed any performance benefits come from this, you would imagine the airport would want this available for EZY etc to use for this coming summer season
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Old 21st Feb 2024, 16:57
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Why would SOU continue with the limited tree topping if it wasn't significant for RW20 take off obstacles ?
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Old 21st Feb 2024, 17:12
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Originally Posted by RW20
Why would SOU continue with the limited tree topping if it wasn't significant for RW20 take off obstacles ?
There were actually two planning applications regarding the copse considered at the meeting - one to reduce the height of trees (for safety of aircraft) and the other to fell diseased/damaged trees that could presumably be hazardous to users of the copse or local houses.

There is a recording of the meeting but the sound quality is rather poor so it's probably best to wait for the minutes.
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Old 21st Feb 2024, 22:36
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Eastern (& Flybe 3.0...!)

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Eastern Airways is not run as a business...
Agreed; I was considering to use them for sub-charter/lease options to launch some trial flights, however I'm still waiting for them to provide me with further information/quote and have pretty much given up on them now.

Also, there's a rumour of a possible attempt of Flybe 3.0 over on the Flybe thread...

Originally Posted by amyisraelchai
Flybe website now showing a purple cover screen and the original logo of the MK1 company, with administration enquiries being redirected to Interpath's own site. Surely not another round of this. An administration report is due in the next few days if I understand correctly.
If this is indeed confirmed, I wonder whether SOU (AGS Airports) would be likely to welcome them back, and if so, what route(s) might they be considering to offer if they are/did return...?!
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Old 22nd Feb 2024, 05:23
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Flybe 3 are to provide feeder services for Global International Airlines Gatwick New York scheduled services.
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Originally Posted by SouthernAlliance
if indeed any performance benefits come from this, you would imagine the airport would want this available for EZY etc to use for this coming summer season
Surely the 164m Runway Extension, and any other previously limiting Airfield parameters are already now sufficient and safe for EasyJet to operate their A320's on the planned summer series of flights to Palma, Faro, and Alicante without any undue Payload limits?


I was going to ask TCAS FAN the same Q as asked above by Sharklet_321
''What implications, if any, does this (The Tree Felling) have on the RWY 20 performance issues ?''

So,
my Q to TCAS FAN is:
Would this tree work be a factor in improvements to possibly permit loaded 737-800/737M-8 operations in the future?
We know the runway length and the width are OK for the Type, but the limits for such 737 Ops at SOU currently are, I believe, the Approach and Obstacle/clearway issues for arrivals and departures on RWY 20.
Is that so?
Thanks in advance....

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Old 22nd Feb 2024, 12:12
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22nd Feb 2024

Just turned up at Amsterdam to find KL919 cancelled this afternoon. Someone mentioned strong winds........the 1255Z metar gives 160/13 knots. Loads of runways all over the place....better luck tomorrow (hopefully). Is this just an excuse???
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