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Old 19th Nov 2022, 13:07
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The Public Inquiry was due to end on 17th November with closing statements and site visits. When can we expect a decision by the 3 honorable chairs?
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Old 19th Nov 2022, 15:01
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I would expect the Dart to be in operation first. Then the government can still overturn the decision.

LLAOL have already stated that the extra capacity is required from 2024, which is the same year the decision for the DCO is meant to happen. Two picks of the cherry, which is now a risky move. If the public inquiry turns down 19m how could a DCO approve 32m? As I have already said, the approval for 19m was taken in-house so was always risk free but now it threatens the ultimate goal due the unplanned public inquiry.

LRT, LLAOL and LBC must be confident, as they could have withdrawn the application when the inquiry was announced and waited for the DCO. It does give opposition groups two opportunities to kill the big one.

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Old 19th Nov 2022, 18:30
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It will be interesting what happens at Bristol Airport which could set a precedent, putting aside anything LBC have done. It looks like central Government will not stand in the way of that local decision.
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Old 19th Nov 2022, 18:43
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Good chance there will be a change of government before the DCO comes to the end of the legal process. Then it depends on who is more committed to reducing greenhouse gases, Tories or Labour.
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Old 19th Nov 2022, 19:39
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Stopping expansion at Luton does not reduce greenhouse gases......pax and planes will go to other airports that have been granted expansion.
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Old 19th Nov 2022, 21:17
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It would make a powerful statement though that they were serious about climate change. As I have already said Luton is not a strategic airport, Amsterdam is and look what is happening across the North Sea. As time passes the pressure increases on the UK government.

https://www.euronews.com/green/2022/...imit-emissions

The Dutch government this week made a historic announcement that the number of flights arriving at Schiphol airport will be capped to bring down pollution.Schiphol, which is the third largest airport in Europe after London Heathrow and Charles de Gaulle in Paris, will be limited to 440,000 flights a year from 2023.
So Amsterdam applies a cap while Luton gets permission to nearly double. Good headline just like Luton Council declaring a climate emergency but excluding the aircraft flying out of its own airport, which is what has happened.

Luton has higher than average death tolls due to pollution with an average of 86 deaths a year. Aircraft are a contributing factor according to an old Council report.

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Old 19th Nov 2022, 22:23
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Group save tickets are also not valid on EMR to St Pancras but are on Thameslink yet EMR offer the cheapest way to get to London if passengers book in advance on selected trains only with advanced single fares. I found tickets on sale at only 2.60 each way. The problem being that passengers from Luton would have no idea about how long it would take to pass though the airport and the fact that the aircraft might arrive late on stand.
QED on the barmpottyness then !

How air travellers are supposed to figure it all out is beyond me - and that is before considering variations from English not first langauge to no English at all.

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As a side note the dearest single fare listed from Luton Airport Parkway to St Pancras I found costs 304 and is called an off-peak carnet ticket. 4.90 can be added to that to get from the terminal once the Dart opens.
Not sure what that fare is - Carnets with that level of are usually multiple trips paid for in advance e.g. 8 trips in 28 days per the one found in the link below.

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https://www.brfares.com/
for this stuff; it simply gives fares and rules, rather than demand name + rank + number + blood group plus precise journey details before yielding an answer.

As before, none of it helps Luton Airport (or any other airport) travellers.
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Originally Posted by D7666

I use
https://www.brfares.com/
for this stuff; it simply gives fares and rules, rather than demand name + rank + number + blood group plus precise journey details before yielding an answer.

As before, none of it helps Luton Airport (or any other airport) travellers.
Remarkable link. It shows 88 different ticket codes listed between Luton Airport Parkway and London St Pancras.

The Dart is listed as a separate destination but no fares are available.

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Old 20th Nov 2022, 14:19
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So Amsterdam applies a cap while Luton gets permission to nearly double. Good headline just like Luton Council declaring a climate emergency but excluding the aircraft flying out of its own airport, which is what has happened.
Comparing Luton with Amsterdam Schiphol, Wow!
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Comparing Luton with a turd would be better.
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Old 20th Nov 2022, 15:25
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Regarding the Eastern and Emerald slot applications I would guess Emerald were thinking of a Waterford service and Eastern a weekly Newquay service. I notice that easy are operating several flights on Christmas Day this year.
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Another reason why there are recruitment issues at Luton. Come and work at Luton, you will be expected to work on Christmas Day and have this special day ruined.
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Originally Posted by compton3bravo
Regarding the Eastern and Emerald slot applications I would guess Emerald were thinking of a Waterford service.
I doubt it, as Waterford is shut for most of next year.
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Originally Posted by compton3bravo
Regarding the Eastern and Emerald slot applications I would guess Emerald were thinking of a Waterford service and Eastern a weekly Newquay service. I notice that easy are operating several flights on Christmas Day this year.
More likely to be for the Derry PSO which requires slots to be held at a London airport before you can apply for the funding
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Another reason why there are recruitment issues at Luton. Come and work at Luton, you will be expected to work on Christmas Day and have this special day ruined.
And why should Luton be any different from any other London Airport? Perhaps you should work at Southend and you can have 5 months off.
Not everyone celebrates Christmas or if they do they do not do it on 25th December.

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Exactly, many airports are in the same boat and have staff shortages. Those that are pleased about flights on Christmas Day will probably be tucking into their turkey dinners with family without a thought about some of us who are forced to work. Working on Christmas Day is a depressing experience so there are few volunteers.
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No public transport on Christmas Day. Is there any demand for flights?
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Old 20th Nov 2022, 18:21
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x5 Geneva, INN, GNB ,TFS & TLV, EDI I would say so.

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I suppose ones heard of a motor car LTNman! lso if you work in a number of industries unusual hours are the norm ie media, hospitality etc. You would expect if you are in hospital over Christmas you would expect nurses to be looking after you and people in the kitchen cooking your meals. A
​​considerable number of people are not Christians in the UK so do not celebrate Christmas..
Wizzair are also operating flights on Christmas Day.
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Just had a look at the WZZ TLV flight on 25th, almost 600 one way but El Al is over 700, cheaper from LHR!

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