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Old 7th May 2023, 14:31
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Long haul wouldn’t be a disaster or even a risk, Jet2 have a massive and loyal customer base just waiting for alternative destinations. I do hope they bring New York Christmas city Breaks back for MAN and expand the route into STN.
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Old 7th May 2023, 15:23
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Jet2 are incredibly well run. I don't think the current economic climate is right to do expand into long haul - the cost of living crisis and the weak strength of the pound against the dollar - it would be hugely risky for them to start dipping into unknown markets which could prove volatile.

They will do what they do best - cautious expansion into the med markets that they know well. Not saying they won't do long haul eventually but I think it is at least 1-2 years off yet.
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Old 7th May 2023, 15:26
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Originally Posted by cavokblues
Jet2 are incredibly well run. I don't think the current economic climate is right to do expand into long haul - the cost of living crisis and the weak strength of the pound against the dollar - it would be hugely risky for them to start dipping into unknown markets which could prove volatile.

They will do what they do best - cautious expansion into the med markets that they know well. Not saying they won't do long haul eventually but I think it is at least 1-2 years off yet.
Agreed 👍🏻
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Old 7th May 2023, 17:04
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Sadly, with the current dollar exchange rate, there is nothing cheap in New York these days. If you are going shopping there are better destinations.
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Old 7th May 2023, 18:43
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do Jet2 specifically polish their engine cowling rims? They always look disproportionately shiny and polished compared to others… have a look and you’ll see!
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Old 7th May 2023, 19:38
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Originally Posted by pamann
Agreed 👍🏻
Exactly to the point

Much sooner Jet2 continue to make margin, retain service level and customer satisfaction, than head head long into the abyss that long haul and associated costs create.

It is NOT a way to make money and evidence of the last twenty years in UK aviation demonstrates that fact.
With current the headwind in our domestic economy I repeat it would be a catastrophe for the company.



A few Christmas flights to the big Apple with rooms included demonstrates nothing when comes to competition for those mid sized resorts against the like of TUi ( globally) , Condor, Scandinavian,US and Canadian companies and cruise lines .

TUi UK (indeed the UK Trade in general ) are small fry in the realms of buying power.


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Old 7th May 2023, 21:14
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Jet2 have never done night stops. Crews and aircraft are tucked up in bed every night. And crew’s rosters can be changed at the drop of a hat at the whim of the crewing officer.

Both of those are complete unknowns at jet2.
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Old 7th May 2023, 22:27
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Originally Posted by VickersVicount
do Jet2 specifically polish their engine cowling rims? They always look disproportionately shiny and polished compared to others… have a look and you’ll see!
The nacelle inlets, yes they do. Phil Meeson has even been spotted polishing one himself at LBA on one occasion. There is an absolutely small % fuel burn saving for doing this apparently... I guess over the fleet it adds up somewhat, but its also additional time and manpower. I think it's just ended up being more of an aesthetic look for the brand more than anything now.
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Old 8th May 2023, 18:57
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Originally Posted by back to Boeing
Jet2 have never done night stops. Crews and aircraft are tucked up in bed every night. And crew’s rosters can be changed at the drop of a hat at the whim of the crewing officer.

Both of those are complete unknowns at jet2.
The year before Covid they had scheduled crew night stops, and probably would do so again, if it was viable financially and made money; and with arrivals in the summer scheduled as late as 0330 local time, with delays and waits for ambulifts etc there will be nights when the crews won’t be off duty before 0430 local, so certainly not tucked up in bed before sunrise….

Sadly the only absolute truth in the quoted post is the bit about roster changes 🙁
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Old 8th May 2023, 19:01
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Originally Posted by excrab
The year before Covid they had scheduled crew night stops, and probably would do so again, if it was viable financially and made money; and with arrivals in the summer scheduled as late as 0330 local time, with delays and waits for ambulifts etc there will be nights when the crews won’t be off duty before 0430 local, so certainly not tucked up in bed before sunrise….

Sadly the only absolute truth in the quoted post is the bit about roster changes 🙁
Rosters are allegedly going to be much more robust and stable from now on, with the launch of a new company-wide campaign to promot work-lifestyle balance.

It wouldn't take much to re-activate the ALC and PMI bases should that be the desire for overnights, there is still all the equipment and staffing in place - the planned night stops worked quite well when they were last utilised.
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Old 11th May 2023, 07:53
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Not sure if this is the right thread, but rumour has it Jet2 are looking at LGW again.
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Old 11th May 2023, 11:47
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Originally Posted by BWSBoy6
Not sure if this is the right thread, but rumour has it Jet2 are looking at LGW again.
I'm sure they would love to base say 12 aircraft & self handle but there are no stands & infrastructure let allown slots available for such and operation unless they have made a deal with BA and we see a massive reduction in other IAG units.
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Old 11th May 2023, 11:53
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I'm sure they would love to base say 12 aircraft & self handle but there are no stands & infrastructure let allown slots available for such and operation unless they have made a deal with BA and we see a massive reduction in other IAG units.
Agreed no point in going to LGW unless a large base and no chance of slots etc, I still think it will be Liverpool next.to take pressure off North West demand.
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Old 11th May 2023, 12:00
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Is it possible for Jet2 under its current ownership legal structure, to open an operation in maybe Ireland or the Netherlands ?
I know the UK is not part of the EU... but I'm wondering whether the legal obstacles could be solved in any way
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Old 11th May 2023, 12:05
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Originally Posted by davidjohnson6
Is it possible for Jet2 under its current ownership legal structure, to open an operation in maybe Ireland or the Netherlands ?
I know the UK is not part of the EU... but I'm wondering whether the legal obstacles could be solved in any way
Simplest way would surely be to buy 49% of a small EU operator with an EU AOC which could then operate not just within the EU but also perhaps serve smaller UK airports not large enough traffic wise to sustain a base operation.

Will they take the risk? I very much doubt it.
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Old 11th May 2023, 12:09
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Originally Posted by BHX5DME
Agreed no point in going to LGW unless a large base and no chance of slots etc, I still think it will be Liverpool next.to take pressure off North West demand.
Slots at destination airports are the issue, they appear to want to retain capacity to allow flexibility to jump on slots as and when they become available. Moving to Liverpool does not seem to be in line with company growth strategy (though Jet2 Liverpool does have a ring to it) still too close to MAN to be viable in my view. It would also require capacity commitment that would be best used at incumbent bases. Maintain that LGW is the missing piece in the puzzle if they can get the slots to go in big. Otherwise just can’t see any new bases in the next couple of years unless anything changes or opportunities arise or they reopen crew bases at ALC PMI TFS to build in operational resilience (minimise disruption).

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Old 11th May 2023, 12:18
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Originally Posted by BHX5DME
Agreed no point in going to LGW unless a large base and no chance of slots etc, I still think it will be Liverpool next.to take pressure off North West demand.
In what way do you consider NW demand to be under 'pressure'? The MAN operation appears to be thriving and Jet2 seem very happy with it. Flights are rarely delayed, customer feedback is strong, and most importantly the customers keep rebooking. Including me. I'm flying with them again in just under a fortnight. There is no impression of them being under "pressure" when I've used them through MAN ... they're one of the best staffed and best run operations around. Very professional.

I actually think the next Jet2 base will be a reopening of either ALC or PMI which were active pre-covid. They offer down-route resilience and could be used to establish a presence into smaller UK airports, or offer arrivals at the busiest UK hubs between the departure waves of the based fleets.
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Old 11th May 2023, 12:24
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Problem with a base in PMI and ALI - wouldn't EU residency rules for staff make it a massive headache?
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Old 11th May 2023, 13:04
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Originally Posted by OzzyOzBorn
In what way do you consider NW demand to be under 'pressure'? The MAN operation appears to be thriving and Jet2 seem very happy with it. Flights are rarely delayed, customer feedback is strong, and most importantly the customers keep rebooking. Including me. I'm flying with them again in just under a fortnight. There is no impression of them being under "pressure" when I've used them through MAN ... they're one of the best staffed and best run operations around. Very professional.

I actually think the next Jet2 base will be a reopening of either ALC or PMI which were active pre-covid. They offer down-route resilience and could be used to establish a presence into smaller UK airports, or offer arrivals at the busiest UK hubs between the departure waves of the based fleets.
I think what they meant was that demand is outstripping supply in Manchester and there is very little room for expansion, adding Liverpool as a base would complement, not compete, with the Manchester base. It’s been a rumour for a while and I’m sure holidays from Liverpool would be very popular with customers and also many of the crew who live in that area
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Old 11th May 2023, 13:21
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Originally Posted by rubymurray
I think what they meant was that demand is outstripping supply in Manchester and there is very little room for expansion, adding Liverpool as a base would complement, not compete, with the Manchester base. It’s been a rumour for a while and I’m sure holidays from Liverpool would be very popular with customers and also many of the crew who live in that area
Thought that rumour was officially put to bed recently at MAN…?
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