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Old 28th Apr 2023, 21:55
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Jet2 new base?? I believe if there was enough space jet2 would have launched Gatwick ages ago and are probably still trying to now. However, there is not enough room I donít think for them to make a hub there. Jet2 would also likely launch routes to the same places wizzair, easy jet, Tui, Vueling and British Airways already compete for so would be very hard to compete here. I believe Bournemouth, Southampton even Exeter are possible choices. Cardiff no too close to Bristol, Norwich too close to stansted, Luton no space, heathrow no space and far too expensive.
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Old 28th Apr 2023, 22:10
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Jet2 new base?? I believe if there was enough space jet2 would have launched Gatwick ages ago and are probably still trying to now. However, there is not enough room I donít think for them to make a hub there. Jet2 would also likely launch routes to the same places wizzair, easy jet, Tui, Vueling and British Airways already compete for so would be very hard to compete here. I believe Bournemouth, Southampton even Exeter are possible choices. Cardiff no too close to Bristol, Norwich too close to stansted, Luton no space, heathrow no space and far too expensive.
No they wouldnít. And yes they would and thatís the point. No longer are they a Northern low-cost airline. They are the UKs largest tour operator with an excellent brand and loyal following. Now is the perfect time to solidify that position by entering the largest U.K. leisure airport.

Do not also assume that a Ďnew baseí will be in the U.K. as alluded to above, there may be operational reasons to re-open overseas outstations.
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Old 28th Apr 2023, 22:11
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Not necessarily.
Anything based in EU would have to be a new business unit with 9H- OE- registered airplanes.
Alot of complexity but possible. As the first waves depart UK the EU units arrive in UK but would you like to depart UK at a civilised 10:00am time but your return is 06:00am so checkout hotel at 03:00 when they say vacate your room by 12:00 the previous day?
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Old 28th Apr 2023, 22:19
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Anything based in EU would have to be a new business unit with 9H- OE- registered airplanes.
Alot of complexity but possible. As the first waves depart UK the EU units arrive in UK but would you like to depart UK at a civilised 10:00am time but your return is 06:00am so checkout hotel at 03:00 when they say vacate your room by 12:00 the previous day?
No, operational backup in the case of unforeseen issues down route to avoid lengthy delays (and inevitable 261 [or U.K. equivalent] payments). Also, not sure on the rules for third country operators to base an aircraft for the purpose of flying purely from an EU country to the U.K. and not intra-EU cabotage.
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Old 28th Apr 2023, 22:48
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It will be one of BOH, LPL or SEN imo. Different cases for each of them.

BOH- Unserved area in Jet2's network. Supposedly they already looked at a Bournemouth base for 2020/21, but decided against it for unknown reasons. BOH is a better option for their massive 737 fleet over the runway restrictions at Southampton.
LPL- Manchester spillover. Very much a superior airport in terms of passenger experience. It seems to me that Jet2 may have reached their limit of expansion at MAN for the forseeable, at least before T2's 3rd pier will open towards the end of the decade. The airports are only about half an hour down the M56/M62 from eachother, so some existing staff would likely not mind the switch.
SEN-Most room for expansion. They have truly been decimated with EasyJet pulling out virtually everything, a huge gap there. I don't think it will infringe too much on their Stansted base either.

Outliers?
HUY is one that I haven't seen mentioned. It could likely support a 2/3 aircraft base, and is quite far from LBA/EMA.
CWL I personally think we are too early for that. Bristol base is only a year or two old.
The biggest outlier and surprise would be Manston. They want the airport to reopen to commercial traffic for early-2025. We know that Jet2 are very ahead in their scheduling, so what's not to say they have struck some sort of deal? MSE is a very underserved market. Furthermore, this likely wouldn't clash with a Hurn or Southampton base, perhaps even Southend.
LGW is too saturated to really get a good early footing. However, with BA Euroflyer supposedly considering a Manchester base, could this be seen as a warning shot from Jet2? The need for a Gatwick base would be eliminated if they wanted to go to Manston
IOM could be a seasonal 1 aircraft base of sorts, supporting a few flights a week to Spain
EXT is a boring case to be made. Same points as HUY really
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Old 28th Apr 2023, 23:07
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I'd eat my hat if they opened a base from Manston.

I also don't agree with the statement from others there is too much competition at Gatwick. I think the others would be terrified of jet2 going in there - their brand is phenomenal compared to some other competitors.

As someone suggested maybe a foreign base - Dublin? Although i think the paperwork required to achieve this would massively put off Jet2.

It does seem like this might be a rumour without any foundation but it's been an interesting discussion.
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Old 28th Apr 2023, 23:29
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I wonder how Ryanair would react to a Jet2 base at Dublin...
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Old 28th Apr 2023, 23:29
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Reopening of overseas bases in PMI or ALC for instance would be logical, providing operational resilience down-route and allowing off-peak growth into the UK whilst maintaining optimal aircraft utilisation. The likes of STN, MAN and BHX are once again not really in a position currently to take further based aircraft due to capacity.
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Old 29th Apr 2023, 00:55
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Does anyone actually know the official rules re basing G-reg aircraft in the EU? TUI base a G-reg 738 in TFS every winter and I believe Jet2 also keep a spare 738 in TFS for backup purposes - not sure if the Canaries would fall outside of any ‘EU’ restrictions though?

TUI also base a G-reg 738 in DUB each winter operating TOM flights via the UK airline. Maybe they’ve managed to agree some form of simplification by virtue of their German (EU) parent co? Or is it because it’s not year-round?

I believe Jet2 used to have a base at ALC (and possibly PMI?) but don’t think they do anymore. As suggested above, it’s a possibility that they could reopen one of these. I’ve seen a lot of reference to this being impossible post-Brexit (without a EU airline) but I admittedly have no idea what the detailed rules actually are.

In terms of whether there will actually be a new base, I’m also not convinced but could ABZ be a possibility? I believe TUI have pulled their based (Sunwing) aircraft for S24 so could be a bit of a gap there, although probably not the largest of markets. Jet2 could perhaps make a 2-3 aircraft base work but it could dilute the EDI/GLA bases.
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Old 29th Apr 2023, 03:01
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For Southend's sake I hope the airport gets a shout. It's a cracking little airport that never quite got a fair break. It also was a huge holiday airport in the 1960/70s. The catchment of SEN is about 600K and any time I've flown out from there is always seems to be predominantly locals flying to holiday resorts.
Perfect airport for package holidays;
Alicante, Faro, Malaga, Reus, Ibiza, Palma, Mahon, Murcia, Girona, Corfu, Lanzarote, Tenerife, Las Palma's, Madeira, Jersey, Split, Pula,. Some French points already served and winter ski. All very doable. Captive audience. 3 aircraft base totally feasible. Only question is can the 321N do it?

Separately, Jet2 have a big aircraft order and I'd not limit their future expansion to the UK. So I'd expect to see a mechanism (AOC) to allow this. Winter ski presents huge opportunities for charter flying and work around Europe in the low season.
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Old 29th Apr 2023, 06:53
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Does anyone actually know the official rules re basing G-reg aircraft in the EU? TUI base a G-reg 738 in TFS every winter and I believe Jet2 also keep a spare 738 in TFS for backup purposes - not sure if the Canaries would fall outside of any ‘EU’ restrictions though?
The base of the a/c is irrelevant, it's where the airline is based and the routes (look at how the Irish airline Ryanair operates from STN). So Jet2 could base G- reg a/c in PMI/ALC, but they could only operate to the UK. Is there year round demand for that?

I'm assuming TOM out of DUB is either operated under the AOC of one of their EU airlines or they have a seperate dispensation from the IAA.
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Old 29th Apr 2023, 08:26
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB
The base of the a/c is irrelevant, it's where the airline is based and the routes (look at how the Irish airline Ryanair operates from STN). So Jet2 could base G- reg a/c in PMI/ALC, but they could only operate to the UK. Is there year round demand for that?

I'm assuming TOM out of DUB is either operated under the AOC of one of their EU airlines or they have a seperate dispensation from the IAA.
Its not about that, pre-pandemic (but also pre-Brexit) they had aircraft and crew stationed in ALC, PMI and latterly TFS primarily as a standby measure to ensure continuity in operations whenever there was an issue where an aircraft might be AOG down route for instance. There is nothing in the rules to suggest they couldnít do this again, as any intra-EU flights would be non revenue positioning flights.

Again, if they are planning to announce a new base in the U.K. it could be anywhere. However it seems that whenever there is mention of this people come on selling the virtues of their local airport and they do not consider the wider operational and strategic growth trajectory. New base(s) are inevitable, so letís see what happens in the coming years, but to rule out LGW in favour of some smaller places that have been mentioned is silly at this stage.
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Old 29th Apr 2023, 09:53
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I remember Jet2 had a BLK base at one point. So im sure LPL would be on their radar.
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Old 29th Apr 2023, 10:14
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Yep. 2 based aircraft and a dozen or so routes.

If that's the thinking behind any new base it doesn't really rule out anywhere
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Wasn`t a success though was it. All airports in UK will be on their radar
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Old 29th Apr 2023, 10:21
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I think they made money but the airport didn't - hence the airport closing and turfing them out
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Old 29th Apr 2023, 10:31
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Originally Posted by cavokblues
I think they made money but the airport didn't - hence the airport closing and turfing them out
Correct, they were quite disappointed when they had to leave. However, these were different times in the airlines life and new bases over the last ten years have started pretty big with around 4 aircraft from the off. So like Iíve said in previous posts, unless they revert to growth into smaller bases the trend would rule out a lot of the airports being mentioned.
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Old 29th Apr 2023, 10:51
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My simple perspective is that Gatwick is pretty much the only major UK airport that doesn't have a Jet2 base, notwithstanding a significant winter charter programme in recent years. Liverpool too. That makes LGW a no brainer but takes into account absolutely nothing else. Who knows what will happen, if anything ?? Interesting reading.
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I was surprised when BLK closed the routes didn’t just move to LPL instead they went to Man
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Old 29th Apr 2023, 12:51
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Originally Posted by simoncorbett
I was surprised when BLK closed the routes didnít just move to LPL instead they went to Man
Statement of intent perhaps? LPL is a decent airport and Iím sure there is a market there, but still donít see why it would be a priority for growth given proximity to MAN.
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