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Jet2 have now overtaken TUI as the UK's #1 Package Holiday Operator -
Jet2 know that's where now their core business is, and they do it rather well,
and IMHO,
with my tuppence on the money, then Liverpool LPL is an obvious choice for them to expand.
No Tour Operator competition there.
Jet2 know that's where now their core business is, and they do it rather well,
and IMHO,
with my tuppence on the money, then Liverpool LPL is an obvious choice for them to expand.
No Tour Operator competition there.
Manchester must be able to accommodate further growth for them in the next 18-24 months. If they can't they need to be asking serious questions of themselves as an airport. Would Jet2 go to all the hassle with a new LPL base to then grow again at Manchester in the foreseeable?
That kind of misses the point, its not your existing customers you are after, it's the competition's Merseyside passengers you need to further grow your business. But to my mind maximising profit is more important than increasing market share, unless of course you have committed to addition aircraft and / or accommodation and need to use it.
Liverpool LPL has a massive and pretty £££ catchment areas outward and further afield and far removed from MAN's own patch.
Point taken regarding possible limited space for growth at MAN, but they will not curtail it in favour of an airport 28 miles away. Opportunities also for growth at other U.K. departure points, only so many aircraft to utilise too. Surely any outward expansion would be better placed in areas that do not have a Jet2 brand presence.
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That kind of misses the point, its not your existing customers you are after, it's the competition's Merseyside passengers you need to further grow your business. But to my mind maximising profit is more important than increasing market share, unless of course you have committed to addition aircraft and / or accommodation and need to use it.
It's only really a consideration if (IF!!) growth at Manchester is being constrained. If it is, LPL is a pretty quick and easy fix. I'd bet for many MAN staff it is as easy if not easier to get to
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Jet2 self handle at ALC, PMI and AGP for example, with airport based staff in the Canaries and some other destinations.
Does Manchester have such a God given right to all the air services from the Northwest that the very suggestion that Liverpool might (with absolutely no evidence) welcome Jet2 to their ramp creates so much ire and angst? Anyone would think we were reading some kind of argument between a Liverpool FC and Manchester United fan!
No doubt LPL could put together a viable proposition to host a Jet2 base. But they must do so on their own merits, not on false claims that MAN cannot cope. Of course, I'm not suggesting that they are doing that ... though some on here seem keen to spread that false narrative on their behalf. It is they who I am calling out.
And I note that BHX5DME has still to respond to my request to him to specify what "pressure" he has identified to prevent MAN recovering from a depressed level of traffic some 4 million short of numbers seen in 2019. MAN's declared capacity is 40M ppa, and they're currently doing around 25-26M.
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Interesting this MAN and LPL discussion about them being too close to have a base in both.. I checked it out and the distance and time between BHX and EMA are virtually identical. So why wouldn't they? They were in EMA first but still opened BHX. It seems to have been entirely overlooked in these discussions. Maybe I'm missing something?
Some have introduced distance between MAN and LPL to the discussion. That is their prerogative. But the original discussion wasn't about that. It was about the suggestion that alleged "pressure" at Manchester Airport specifically meant that future growth there by Jet2 could not be accommodated, and therefore they needed to establish an overflow base nearby. The poster who originally put forward this argument was asked to present his evidence to justify this assertion, but has so far not done so.
Interesting this MAN and LPL discussion about them being too close to have a base in both.. I checked it out and the distance and time between BHX and EMA are virtually identical. So why wouldn't they? They were in EMA first but still opened BHX. It seems to have been entirely overlooked in these discussions. Maybe I'm missing something?
Again this is not to say that Jet2 won’t at some point have a presence at LPL, but it’s just getting why people feel it is the next obvious step when it doesn’t appear to be the case when looking at how Jet2 operate.
When you think about it package holiday flights have been in abundance from the MIDS/NORTH Triangle for 40-50 years
BHX EMA/CDD LBA MAN LPL and more recent, once DSA -- plus add in HUY MME and NCL
That's whole lotta regionals - Thomsons and Intasun once served them all, plus BLK too.
BHX EMA/CDD LBA MAN LPL and more recent, once DSA -- plus add in HUY MME and NCL
That's whole lotta regionals - Thomsons and Intasun once served them all, plus BLK too.
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Many years ago, Liverpool-based Arrowsmith Holidays, used to operate summer and winter programmes from both Liverpool and Manchester using mostly Laker and Cambrian Airways aircraft.... never a problem filling the aircraft even though the programme was in the main ´mirroed´in both airports.
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Before the Low Costs arrrived in the form of FR and Easyjet which Liverpool recognised, a company called Direct Holidays lauched a successful package holiday program from Liverpoolq, ( they were Scottish based ) . This operated well for several years until Airtours bought it and ruined it.
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Just look at a map. The same argument is made on the proximity of EDI and GLA, but those cities are not as bounded on one side by the sea and serve two separate main transport corridors. MAN and LPL therefore serve the exact same market which is not the case for EMA and BHX. In fact had easyjet gone into MAN first they most certainly would not be flying from LPL now, it’s growth is a legacy from the original low cost airline philosophy of flying from secondary airports due to cost.
Again this is not to say that Jet2 won’t at some point have a presence at LPL, but it’s just getting why people feel it is the next obvious step when it doesn’t appear to be the case when looking at how Jet2 operate.
Again this is not to say that Jet2 won’t at some point have a presence at LPL, but it’s just getting why people feel it is the next obvious step when it doesn’t appear to be the case when looking at how Jet2 operate.