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Old 28th Apr 2023, 17:18
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB
Some where I could get the slots I need? Is that a realistic prospect at Gatwick?
No idea, but you donít open a base just for the sake of it.
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Old 28th Apr 2023, 18:11
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Originally Posted by BHX5DME
We all overlooked Southend.
But I still think / hope it will be Liverpool
So if Jet2 are going to announce another UK base the arguments for SEN are not that dissimilar to Liverpool. Can they continue to get everything they want at Manchester or Stansted? Is it a better bet to expand a few miles down the road where some staff would jump at the chance to transfer?

We know that Jet2 had a serious look at SEN before. Of course they rejected it because they were way more ambitious and chose STN to expand southbound. I have no doubt that they would choose LGW if they were in a position to do so, but I canít see them doing so at this stage if they canít go big. 5 year deal at Southend or Liverpool with 3 aircraft makes sense, right? Not too risky either way. Certainly at SEN they could they could fly on routes that are proven without a care in the world about slots.

Of course I should add, before I get too carried away, I have no idea whether or not the rumour of a new base has any merit.
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Old 28th Apr 2023, 18:20
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Didnít TUI have a sort of base at LPL a few years ago? Granted it was all W pattern with other bases and on sunwing.

maybe the half arsed commitment was why it never developed beyond that or maybe being too close to MAN meant it just didnít work
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Old 28th Apr 2023, 18:30
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Tui have increased there presence quite a bit this year from LPL, not with their own aircraft, but their holidays are certainly available using Easyjets aircraft. Personally I feel Jet2 are missing a trick to not have a presence at Liverpool, but will have to see.
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Old 28th Apr 2023, 18:31
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LBIA...where did you hear this rumour reported?
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Old 28th Apr 2023, 18:49
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Originally Posted by DC3 Dave
So if Jet2 are going to announce another UK base the arguments for SEN are not that dissimilar to Liverpool. Can they continue to get everything they want at Manchester or Stansted? Is it a better bet to expand a few miles down the road where some staff would jump at the chance to transfer?

We know that Jet2 had a serious look at SEN before. Of course they rejected it because they were way more ambitious and chose STN to expand southbound. I have no doubt that they would choose LGW if they were in a position to do so, but I canít see them doing so at this stage if they canít go big. 5 year deal at Southend or Liverpool with 3 aircraft makes sense, right? Not too risky either way. Certainly at SEN they could they could fly on routes that are proven without a care in the world about slots.

Of course I should add, before I get too carried away, I have no idea whether or not the rumour of a new base has any merit.
Take your point, but again why would they want to open another base and lose staff from one to another? It just doesnít make sense. Then when you factor in that there are only a finite number of passengers to go around, and you can find yourself in a position where you are fighting against yourself, just doesnít add up. Also consider that slots are not just an issue at U.K. airports but they also must go out and get hold of slots at destination airports, is it really a good use of resource to pit two of your own flights against each other when you could be expanding into brand new unserved markets? Allocation of scarce resources.

I too am not sure if there is any merit to the rumour, I am certain that there will be more bases in the future, perhaps at some point LPL will be one, perhaps even Southend. However at the minute there is the largest U.K. tour operator that does not have any flights from the UKís largest holiday focussed departure point. Slot constrained or not, if this rumour is accurate then why is it so unrealistic to believe also that they may have acquired the necessary slots to enable an entry into LGW? In my view far less fanciful than some of the suggestions on here.
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Old 28th Apr 2023, 18:58
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If this rumour has any legs, Consider Jet2 have more or less an identical route network from all bases give or take.
Also consider, possible Base restrictions on take of and landing times that would prohibit a full duplication of other bases.
Many routes depart around 06:00 and arrive back at Base after 23:59 into the early hours.
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Old 28th Apr 2023, 19:25
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The arguement for LPL and SEN is that they can't operate the flights they want out of MAN/STN at the times they want. They wouldn't be competing against themselves, they would be using LPL/SEN as satellites of the constrained larger bases. Extra staff would be needed where ever they expand, but there would be staff at MAN/STN that would leap at going to LPL/SEN, so you have an experinced core to build your base and they are also near enough to move people around when the inevitable sh*t happens.

Gatwick might be an unserved market (don't see any other sizable one's left), but my understanding is that the slots that Jet2 would need to open a viable base aren't available at Gatwick, so the idea seems a non-starter. If there was to a 'fire sale' by one of the exisiting operators, I could see them jomping in, but otherwise I would imagine all the existing incumbents will be doing everything they can to keep them out.

And wouldn't yr point about foreign slots apply wherever they expended?


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Old 28th Apr 2023, 19:50
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB
The arguement for LPL and SEN is that they can't operate the flights they want out of MAN/STN at the times they want. They wouldn't be competing against themselves, they would be using LPL/SEN as satellites of the constrained larger bases. Extra staff would be needed where ever they expand, but there would be staff at MAN/STN that would leap at going to LPL/SEN, so you have an experinced core to build your base and they are also near enough to move people around when the inevitable sh*t happens.

Gatwick might be an unserved market (don't see any other sizable one's left), but my understanding is that the slots that Jet2 would need to open a viable base aren't available at Gatwick, so the idea seems a non-starter. If there was to a 'fire sale' by one of the exisiting operators, I could see them jomping in, but otherwise I would imagine all the existing incumbents will be doing everything they can to keep them out.

And wouldn't yr point about foreign slots apply wherever they expended?
Where has this argument originated? Far as I can see this is not the issue. It also implies that they are going to open new bases as an overspill to fly to presumably more popular hotspots whilst focusing on the more niche destinations from the Ďslot constrainedí airports, which doesnít make sense. I do take your point, in such a scenario LPL would be ideal, but it is not my understanding of the situation as things stand.

My point is this is a rumour with nothing to substantiate it at the moment. Itís also plausible to add to that rumour (if it does hold merit) by speculating that they perhaps have somehow acquired the slots to operate a base at Gatwick. Iím pretty sure STN was rubbished prior to announcement for a similar reason, which ultimately proved unfounded. And of course the point about foreign slots applies, which is my point. They are hard fought for, they will only be used on the most lucrative of ventures and not to use them at an airport that might be peripheral to their overall growth strategy. Donít forget that the company are about to start using their first NEO in the coming days, larger aircraft allows for better use of scarce slots without having to employ more aircraft.

If itís not to be LGW then there is probably more merit in BOH or even ABZ as rank outsiders given their isolation from the current Jet2 network.
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Old 28th Apr 2023, 20:18
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Originally Posted by pug
Where has this argument originated? Far as I can see this is not the issue. It also implies that they are going to open new bases as an overspill to fly to presumably more popular hotspots whilst focusing on the more niche destinations from the Ďslot constrainedí airports, which doesnít make sense. I do take your point, in such a scenario LPL would be ideal, but it is not my understanding of the situation as things stand.

My point is this is a rumour with nothing to substantiate it at the moment. Itís also plausible to add to that rumour (if it does hold merit) by speculating that they perhaps have somehow acquired the slots to operate a base at Gatwick. Iím pretty sure STN was rubbished prior to announcement for a similar reason, which ultimately proved unfounded. And of course the point about foreign slots applies, which is my point. They are hard fought for, they will only be used on the most lucrative of ventures and not to use them at an airport that might be peripheral to their overall growth strategy. Donít forget that the company are about to start using their first NEO in the coming days, larger aircraft allows for better use of scarce slots without having to employ more aircraft.

If itís not to be LGW then there is probably more merit in BOH or even ABZ as rank outsiders given their isolation from the current Jet2 network.
what Landing and take of restrictions ďTimesĒ if any apply to BOH and ABZ.
can the handle arrivals in the early hours.
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Old 28th Apr 2023, 20:19
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[QUOTE=SWBKCB;11427245]The arguement for LPL and SEN is that they can't operate the flights they want out of MAN/STN at the times they want. They wouldn't be competing against themselves, they would be using LPL/SEN as satellites of the constrained larger bases. Extra staff would be needed where ever they expand, but there would be staff at MAN/STN that would leap at going to LPL/SEN, so you have an experinced core to build your base and they are also near enough to move people around when the inevitable sh*t happens.


Thank you SWBKCB. Not for the first time you articulate the exact point I was trying to make.
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Old 28th Apr 2023, 20:45
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[QUOTE=DC3 Dave;11427262]
Originally Posted by SWBKCB
The arguement for LPL and SEN is that they can't operate the flights they want out of MAN/STN at the times they want. They wouldn't be competing against themselves, they would be using LPL/SEN as satellites of the constrained larger bases. Extra staff would be needed where ever they expand, but there would be staff at MAN/STN that would leap at going to LPL/SEN, so you have an experinced core to build your base and they are also near enough to move people around when the inevitable sh*t happens.


Thank you SWBKCB. Not for the first time you articulate the exact point I was trying to make.
And that exact point requires a deviation from current operating practice. Which is my point. Weíre in the realms of supposition based on a theory that holds no water at this moment in time.
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Old 28th Apr 2023, 20:48
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Where has this rumour come from? it seems to have gained momentum without any real legs as yet.

If LGW went into dual runway operations I'm sure Jet2 would base 10 to 15 aircraft straight of the bat in LGW.
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Old 28th Apr 2023, 20:51
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But I'm sure LGW biggest customer will be top of the list if any duel landing is approved. Then you have the question of overnight parking at LGW.
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Old 28th Apr 2023, 20:59
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But I'm sure LGW biggest customer will be top of the list if any duel landing is approved. Then you have the question of overnight parking at LGW.
I totally get that Jet2 would love to make the ultimate statement by establishing a significant and viable base at LGW, and wow, absolutely respect if they do.

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Old 28th Apr 2023, 21:00
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Nobody has suggested Norwich?
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Old 28th Apr 2023, 21:45
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Originally Posted by chinapattern
Nobody has suggested Norwich?
Rural area with low population density, and most people in the area (at least those living in Cambridgeshire or Suffolk) willing to travel to STN due to lack of choice from NWI
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Old 28th Apr 2023, 21:47
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New base

Everyone is assuming any new base will be in the UK. Just putting it out there.
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Old 28th Apr 2023, 21:49
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Originally Posted by chuzwuza
Everyone is assuming any new base will be in the UK. Just putting it out there.
If it's not in the UK, it's a new airline, not a new base.
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Old 28th Apr 2023, 21:51
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB
If it's not in the UK, it's a new airline, not a new base.
Not necessarily.
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