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737’s are no good for BA LHR, not containerised. BA LGW slots are all still owned by BA, leased to VY, I2 and U2.
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Its been a while since I have flown with Jet2 but have just returned from a week in Rome flying from Manchester and found them spot on. Fast easy check in, comfortable aircraft (737, 24 years old but so what) and departures/arrivals on time or early. In flight food was good as well.
It occurs to me that if Jet2 want to expand at Manchester, maybe they should try long haul. 3 times weekly to Cancun for example would be popular as the only current option is TUI, whos service on that route was woeful last year.
It occurs to me that if Jet2 want to expand at Manchester, maybe they should try long haul. 3 times weekly to Cancun for example would be popular as the only current option is TUI, whos service on that route was woeful last year.
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Jet2 have a stable business behind them and there are viable routes to compete on. Im not talking about daily services to the States and Mexico just a limited 2/3 times a week to CUN with only one competitor on the route who has a really bad service offering at the moment.
Jet2 have a stable business behind them and there are viable routes to compete on. Im not talking about daily services to the States and Mexico just a limited 2/3 times a week to CUN with only one competitor on the route who has a really bad service offering at the moment.
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And sending widebodies on long sectors brings with it a whole new world of potential engineering, hotac and sub-charter problems. Not just as easy as instantly launching a hot spare from a UK base to the Caribbean to bring back delayed pax if your long haul a/c goes tech on departure. All that works very well now for the short haul network.
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Not just accommodation, but what aircraft would you propose that Jet2 use for it? Unlikely that their current leased A330s are suitable. An all economy config is difficult to make work in terms of yields, so some kind of premium offering might be required... and that is quite a change from the current Jet2 product offering (no matter how good you think their existing products to be).
And sending widebodies on long sectors brings with it a whole new world of potential engineering, hotac and sub-charter problems. Not just as easy as instantly launching a hot spare from a UK base to the Caribbean to bring back delayed pax if your long haul a/c goes tech on departure. All that works very well now for the short haul network.
And sending widebodies on long sectors brings with it a whole new world of potential engineering, hotac and sub-charter problems. Not just as easy as instantly launching a hot spare from a UK base to the Caribbean to bring back delayed pax if your long haul a/c goes tech on departure. All that works very well now for the short haul network.
Yep I understand all that, but at the moment the only option out of Manchester is TUI unless you want to change down route. Yes Jet 2 may need to consider what equipemt to use but I think all economy could work if you are not going every day. Most airlines only offered one class back in the 90s so why not now. Sometimes you just have to bite the bullet and jump, start small and go from there. Manchester based aircraft, large catchment area and already a market.
Theres only so much expansion possible in the European market and it is very close to saturation now. Yes you can start using other airports but you then get into slot problems and need a lot more base staff.
The Caribbean is an expanding market, with countries like Mexico (I use it because thats where I have most experience) still expanding their resorts. Its not that long ago everyone said Jet2 didnt need A330s but they made that work.
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Yep I understand all that, but at the moment the only option out of Manchester is TUI unless you want to change down route. Yes Jet 2 may need to consider what equipemt to use but I think all economy could work if you are not going every day. Most airlines only offered one class back in the 90s so why not now. Sometimes you just have to bite the bullet and jump, start small and go from there. Manchester based aircraft, large catchment area and already a market.
Theres only so much expansion possible in the European market and it is very close to saturation now. Yes you can start using other airports but you then get into slot problems and need a lot more base staff.
The Caribbean is an expanding market, with countries like Mexico (I use it because thats where I have most experience) still expanding their resorts. Its not that long ago everyone said Jet2 didnt need A330s but they made that work.
Theres only so much expansion possible in the European market and it is very close to saturation now. Yes you can start using other airports but you then get into slot problems and need a lot more base staff.
The Caribbean is an expanding market, with countries like Mexico (I use it because thats where I have most experience) still expanding their resorts. Its not that long ago everyone said Jet2 didnt need A330s but they made that work.
I think Jet2 are quite happy with the “if it ain’t broke don’t fix it” model. They’re making money hand over fist. They’re highly risk averse (just look at the standby aircraft and standby crew they have). Long haul just doesn’t fit in that model as things stand.
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Nothing to say they won’t change the way long haul operates. If that makes sense.
They have a massive new fleet introduction starting now with all the challenges that brings and short haul is very much paying the bills.
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I am absolutely convinced that Jet2 would make a killing on longhaul and it would be relatively lower risk than a lot of people are envisaging. Florida and Mexico are established markets, as are Jamaica, Barbados and the Dominican Republic. More established than markets like Montenegro that Jet2 are tapping into.
Jet2 has experience with A330's already, and the second hand market is bound to have a good few deals they could pick up if they wanted to take their own on. I do personally believe that a fleet of around 12-18 A330 900's, plus options would be a fantastic add for LS.
They can keep utilisation high March-October on Long and short haul, and they'd be able to keep them ticking over in the winter down to the canaries, on a slimmed down long haul network, New York Christmas shopping trips, cruise charters and ski flights as well as running them through maintenance programmes ahead of the next summer.
They could easily keep the best part of 12 A339's busy out of MAN/STN/BHX, and rotate the rest through the other bases on long haul missions.
Jet2 has experience with A330's already, and the second hand market is bound to have a good few deals they could pick up if they wanted to take their own on. I do personally believe that a fleet of around 12-18 A330 900's, plus options would be a fantastic add for LS.
They can keep utilisation high March-October on Long and short haul, and they'd be able to keep them ticking over in the winter down to the canaries, on a slimmed down long haul network, New York Christmas shopping trips, cruise charters and ski flights as well as running them through maintenance programmes ahead of the next summer.
They could easily keep the best part of 12 A339's busy out of MAN/STN/BHX, and rotate the rest through the other bases on long haul missions.
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I am absolutely convinced that Jet2 would make a killing on longhaul and it would be relatively lower risk than a lot of people are envisaging. Florida and Mexico are established markets, as are Jamaica, Barbados and the Dominican Republic. More established than markets like Montenegro that Jet2 are tapping into.
Jet2 has experience with A330's already, and the second hand market is bound to have a good few deals they could pick up if they wanted to take their own on. I do personally believe that a fleet of around 12-18 A330 900's, plus options would be a fantastic add for LS.
They can keep utilisation high March-October on Long and short haul, and they'd be able to keep them ticking over in the winter down to the canaries, on a slimmed down long haul network, New York Christmas shopping trips, cruise charters and ski flights as well as running them through maintenance programmes ahead of the next summer.
They could easily keep the best part of 12 A339's busy out of MAN/STN/BHX, and rotate the rest through the other bases on long haul missions.
Jet2 has experience with A330's already, and the second hand market is bound to have a good few deals they could pick up if they wanted to take their own on. I do personally believe that a fleet of around 12-18 A330 900's, plus options would be a fantastic add for LS.
They can keep utilisation high March-October on Long and short haul, and they'd be able to keep them ticking over in the winter down to the canaries, on a slimmed down long haul network, New York Christmas shopping trips, cruise charters and ski flights as well as running them through maintenance programmes ahead of the next summer.
They could easily keep the best part of 12 A339's busy out of MAN/STN/BHX, and rotate the rest through the other bases on long haul missions.
There’s definitely a market out there for Cuba that seems to have been forgotten since the demise of Thomas Cook. Tui only offer a once weekly service to Varadero. Holguin and Cayo Coco are two routes that would do well.
On the Dominican Republic Tui have abandoned Puerto Plata (POP) for sometime. It’s definitely the cheaper side of the island and has been missing from U.K. departure boards for a few years now.
All of the above would rely on hotel bed availability. Barbados and some of the other smaller islands would be a struggle IMHO and that’s why I can’t see that happening. I think Norse will discover this next winter.
Jet2 going longhaul comes up on here every three months or so. I still don’t think it’s on their immediate radar if I’m honest. When it does I think it’ll be one of those ‘I wasn’t expecting that’ moments. There’s still room for growth in the short haul market. Tunisia and Egypt spring to mind. I think we’ll see this kind of growth before any attempt to go longhaul.
Jet2 have much less risky potential for development without making massive investment in long haul equipment that they may find difficult to utilise year round.
There must be plenty of scope left in Croatia and Montenegro, and in the same region Albania which if the travel journos are to be believed has plenty of opportunity to be a new destination. The Romanian Black Sea resorts are also ripe for a resurgence at the budget end of the market. Jet2 has no presence yet in Morocco and hasn't gone back to Tunisia since the terrorist attack of some years ago.
Obviously getting accommodation in enough quantity is obviously important for the tour operator business and initially this could be a stumbling block at least initially in some of these markets.
There must be plenty of scope left in Croatia and Montenegro, and in the same region Albania which if the travel journos are to be believed has plenty of opportunity to be a new destination. The Romanian Black Sea resorts are also ripe for a resurgence at the budget end of the market. Jet2 has no presence yet in Morocco and hasn't gone back to Tunisia since the terrorist attack of some years ago.
Obviously getting accommodation in enough quantity is obviously important for the tour operator business and initially this could be a stumbling block at least initially in some of these markets.
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I am absolutely convinced that Jet2 would make a killing on longhaul and it would be relatively lower risk than a lot of people are envisaging. Florida and Mexico are established markets, as are Jamaica, Barbados and the Dominican Republic. More established than markets like Montenegro that Jet2 are tapping into.
Jet2 has experience with A330's already, and the second hand market is bound to have a good few deals they could pick up if they wanted to take their own on. I do personally believe that a fleet of around 12-18 A330 900's, plus options would be a fantastic add for LS.
They can keep utilisation high March-October on Long and short haul, and they'd be able to keep them ticking over in the winter down to the canaries, on a slimmed down long haul network, New York Christmas shopping trips, cruise charters and ski flights as well as running them through maintenance programmes ahead of the next summer.
They could easily keep the best part of 12 A339's busy out of MAN/STN/BHX, and rotate the rest through the other bases on long haul missions.
Jet2 has experience with A330's already, and the second hand market is bound to have a good few deals they could pick up if they wanted to take their own on. I do personally believe that a fleet of around 12-18 A330 900's, plus options would be a fantastic add for LS.
They can keep utilisation high March-October on Long and short haul, and they'd be able to keep them ticking over in the winter down to the canaries, on a slimmed down long haul network, New York Christmas shopping trips, cruise charters and ski flights as well as running them through maintenance programmes ahead of the next summer.
They could easily keep the best part of 12 A339's busy out of MAN/STN/BHX, and rotate the rest through the other bases on long haul missions.
How many times they are a family holiday company with airline attached
Unless they PURCHASE a cruise company and a mid sized global hotel chain it can’t work ( And by the way even that would be exceptionally risky indeed go ask the administrators of Thomas Cook UK !)
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Jet2 have much less risky potential for development without making massive investment in long haul equipment that they may find difficult to utilise year round.
There must be plenty of scope left in Croatia and Montenegro, and in the same region Albania which if the travel journos are to be believed has plenty of opportunity to be a new destination. The Romanian Black Sea resorts are also ripe for a resurgence at the budget end of the market. Jet2 has no presence yet in Morocco and hasn't gone back to Tunisia since the terrorist attack of some years ago.
Obviously getting accommodation in enough quantity is obviously important for the tour operator business and initially this could be a stumbling block at least initially in some of these markets.
There must be plenty of scope left in Croatia and Montenegro, and in the same region Albania which if the travel journos are to be believed has plenty of opportunity to be a new destination. The Romanian Black Sea resorts are also ripe for a resurgence at the budget end of the market. Jet2 has no presence yet in Morocco and hasn't gone back to Tunisia since the terrorist attack of some years ago.
Obviously getting accommodation in enough quantity is obviously important for the tour operator business and initially this could be a stumbling block at least initially in some of these markets.
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A recipe for disaster and liquidation, job losses and catastrophe for a secure business and in short order !
How many times they are a family holiday company with airline attached
Unless they PURCHASE a cruise company and a mid sized global hotel chain it can’t work ( And by the way even that would be exceptionally risky indeed go ask the administrators of Thomas Cook UK !)
How many times they are a family holiday company with airline attached
Unless they PURCHASE a cruise company and a mid sized global hotel chain it can’t work ( And by the way even that would be exceptionally risky indeed go ask the administrators of Thomas Cook UK !)
Also shall we ignore the relationships they have with hotel chains and hoteliers. They were welcome in many countries/hotels/resorts around Europe and I'm pretty sure they'll receive the same reception longer haul. As Steve Heapy has said, on many interview with Travel Weekly, the company always pay on time, don't like exclusive hotels/tour operator relationships as it doesn't promote healthy competition + if the worst happens the hotel goes with it.
It's not a recipe for a disaster.
Also - Did Air 2000/First Choice Airways receive the same reception when they started long haul 2 years after starting as an airline in 1989? Or My Travel/Air Tours when they started operations in the mid 90's only 5 years after starting as an airline? It worked and lead to success till mergers. First Choice when they ordered the 787 said the real money is in long haul.
Jet2 are a different beast to all of those. They are successful, have money, operate different to how all those previous operators. Will it work? Probably.
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Having worked at CHANNEX late '90's before it morphed in to JET2 l can say that the group is run like a military operation, no nonsense, no excuses.
Good luck in whatever they decide to do next.
Good luck in whatever they decide to do next.