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Old 28th Apr 2023, 12:50
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Originally Posted by cavokblues
If they bought A330s then they're left with them to also fill in winter when business naturally drops off. Much better I guess to lease them in for the busy summer periods as they have been.

I'm very intrigued to see where this new base is.
Canaries will fill any A330 year round
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Old 28th Apr 2023, 12:58
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If there was an issue with bases diluting one another, you wouldnít see these combinations; EMA vs BHX, GLA vs EDI, MAN vs LBA.
Current bases have a catchment overlap with others as above.

Personally my money would go on; LPL, MME, CWL in that order with BOH as an outsider.
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Old 28th Apr 2023, 13:00
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Originally Posted by BHX5DME
I think that is exactly it and why I think it will be Liverpool.
Not sure whether there is any truth to this new base rumour as it would be quite a leak for anything like that to seep out, they keep it quiet for good reason!

That said, LGW is the only one that makes sense currently that is not currently served, unless there is to be a strategy change I canít imagine LPL would be on their priority list with MAN being so close. Perhaps if Wizzair U.K. are not going to be around for too much longer the slots may open up for Jet2 to enter LGW. Then you have pretty much all of the country covered.
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Old 28th Apr 2023, 14:11
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Originally Posted by pug
Not sure whether there is any truth to this new base rumour as it would be quite a leak for anything like that to seep out, they keep it quiet for good reason!

That said, LGW is the only one that makes sense currently that is not currently served, unless there is to be a strategy change I canít imagine LPL would be on their priority list with MAN being so close. Perhaps if Wizzair U.K. are not going to be around for too much longer the slots may open up for Jet2 to enter LGW. Then you have pretty much all of the country covered.
Why would Wizzair UK not be around for much longer? Wouldn't they just transfer over to Wizzair EU?
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Old 28th Apr 2023, 14:30
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For there to be a substantial new base Jet2 Holidays will need a significant increase in the number of holidays they can sell on their ATOL. If there is truth in the rumours that will be it credence.
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Old 28th Apr 2023, 14:49
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LPL would seem the obvious choice for a number of reasons if this rumour is true. They are close enough to Manchester to staff the base from there intially, Liverpool has both the terminal capacity and more than sufficient stands available. A considerable number of their Manchest customers must surely come from the Lverpools City region and North Wales. Manchester has capacity problems during redevlopment - reported elsewhere that Easyjet have been told not to operate UK domestic departures from MAN because of this. There is no competition with any other full package holiday operator at Liverpool, - Easyjet holidays offering is somehat different to Jet2īs
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Old 28th Apr 2023, 14:54
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With well documented supply chain issues for new A321s can someone please tell me where on earth Jet2 are going to get 3/4 737-800's (smallest capacity aircraft) from to open a new base?

Until it comes from the horses mouth or there is a change in Airbus situation (speedier delivery to displace 737-800's) then I don't see another base at least not until S25. And even then the fleet replacement of 300 and 757's will be taking place.
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Old 28th Apr 2023, 15:19
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Originally Posted by LBAflyer22
With well documented supply chain issues for new A321s can someone please tell me where on earth Jet2 are going to get 3/4 737-800's (smallest capacity aircraft) from to open a new base?

Until it comes from the horses mouth or there is a change in Airbus situation (speedier delivery to displace 737-800's) then I don't see another base at least not until S25. And even then the fleet replacement of 300 and 757's will be taking place.
They recently took on quite a few ex-Flyr and ex-SAS 738s
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Old 28th Apr 2023, 15:25
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Originally Posted by VLCfkight
LPL would seem the obvious choice for a number of reasons if this rumour is true. They are close enough to Manchester to staff the base from there intially, Liverpool has both the terminal capacity and more than sufficient stands available. A considerable number of their Manchest customers must surely come from the Lverpools City region and North Wales. Manchester has capacity problems during redevlopment - reported elsewhere that Easyjet have been told not to operate UK domestic departures from MAN because of this. There is no competition with any other full package holiday operator at Liverpool, - Easyjet holidays offering is somehat different to Jet2īs
If a considerable number of Manchesters Jet2 passengers come from Merseyside and North Wales, why would they go to the expense of setting up on their own doorstep? Itís not a logical choice at all - not impossible but not logical.

I maintain that LGW would make most sense given their current growth pattern. But this is all academic as it doesnít seem like an appropriate time to open a new base.

In response to questions over Wizzair U.K., donít appear to be doing too well.
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Old 28th Apr 2023, 15:30
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Originally Posted by laviation
They recently took on quite a few ex-Flyr and ex-SAS 738s
3 of each which clearly have been tied up in expansion currently at current bases. STN with 2 extra aircraft, BRS growth, NCL with an extra, EMA an extra.
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Old 28th Apr 2023, 15:31
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During summer, particularly at weekends, Easyjet at LGW seem to be very focussed on taking people to the beach. Biggest base and most likely a critical source of profit. I'm wondering if Jet2 opening substantially at Gatwick might (eventually) force Easyjet into a merger with another player, be it TUI, Wizz, IAG or another company.
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Old 28th Apr 2023, 15:37
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Originally Posted by VLCfkight
LPL would seem the obvious choice for a number of reasons if this rumour is true. They are close enough to Manchester to staff the base from there intially, Liverpool has both the terminal capacity and more than sufficient stands available. A considerable number of their Manchest customers must surely come from the Lverpools City region and North Wales. Manchester has capacity problems during redevlopment - reported elsewhere that Easyjet have been told not to operate UK domestic departures from MAN because of this. There is no competition with any other full package holiday operator at Liverpool, - Easyjet holidays offering is somehat different to Jet2īs
Also bear in mind quite I lot of passengers from Manchester and North Wales fly from Liverpool, it would be well received .
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Old 28th Apr 2023, 15:45
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We all overlooked Southend.
But I still think / hope it will be Liverpool
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Old 28th Apr 2023, 16:06
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Also bear in mind quite I lot of passengers from Manchester and North Wales fly from Liverpool, it would be well received .
As above, why duplicate costs and saturate the market unless forced to?
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Old 28th Apr 2023, 16:34
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Originally Posted by pug
As above, why duplicate costs and saturate the market unless forced to?
They are loosing out on those passengers whos preference is a Liverpool departure. Its the same as for Leeds, otherside, just offer Manchester only. But they loose market share.
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Originally Posted by pug
As above, why duplicate costs and saturate the market unless forced to?
They are loosing out on those passengers whos preference is a Liverpool departure. Its the same as for Leeds, otherside, just offer Manchester only. But they loose market share.
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Old 28th Apr 2023, 16:39
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Originally Posted by BACsuperVC10
They are loosing out on those passengers whos preference is a Liverpool departure. Itís the same as for Leeds, otherside, just offer Manchester only. But they loose market share.
Losing them to who? I think given a matter of 35 miles passengers in Liverpool are not going to feel too put out travelling from Manchester if they want the Jet2 experience. The passengers who use Ryanair and Easyjet would continue to use Ryanair and Easyjet. Not comparable with LBA as that serves the Yorkshire and Humber region with few alternatives.

Not trying to say itís not happening as I donít know, but if they wanted to open another base then LGW would be it in my view, as itís a huge market they donít currently serve. Huge confidence in the people in charge of growth and strategy, they are savvy and will make the call based on what is best for the business and for the shareholders, along with the customer as a priority of course. Just would like to know how this rumour has started as they are very tight lipped about these things so would remain skeptical of any Internet rumours at the moment.

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Old 28th Apr 2023, 17:04
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LPL may be 35 minutes from MAN but there is a whole potential catchment on The Wirral and west of Speke which will doubtless include current TUI as well as Jets Manchester customers who could see a LPL offer as being enticing. Then there is North Wales for which the same applies.

Its not just a case of making it easier for existing Jet2 customers but nicking business from their principal competitors.
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Old 28th Apr 2023, 17:11
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Originally Posted by ATNotts
LPL may be 35 minutes from MAN but there is a whole potential catchment on The Wirral and west of Speke which will doubtless include current TUI as well as Jets Manchester customers who could see a LPL offer as being enticing. Then there is North Wales for which the same applies.

Its not just a case of making it easier for existing Jet2 customers but nicking business from their principal competitors.
Understand that, but what Iíd suggest is if you put pins on a map of where bases have opened in chronological order youíd see a pattern. Are the people in Merseyside and North Wales within an hour of a Jet2 base? I suspect yes. Are people in the South East within an hour of a Jet2 base? Not if you live in South London, Southern Home Counties and South East Coast which is a huge market with zero Jet2 presence. Where would you prioritise putting your scarce (and expensive) resources?
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Some where I could get the slots I need? Is that a realistic prospect at Gatwick?
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