Coronavirus Impact on Air Travel

[LTNman]

Originally Posted by davidjohnson6

Are we going to effectively ban cross-border travel for anyone aged under 50 for at least the next 12 months ? If so, the airline and travel industry is going to end up in a very troubled state

I am waiting for someone to come up with an alternative or are air corridors to limited destinations that change weekly the answer. When that happens the likes of Ryanair just hang on to the money and refuse refunds making any booking risky so deceasing the numbers of bookings.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-54776678

[racedo]

Originally Posted by LTNman

That is their problem. Because someone can’t pay doesn’t mean the fine goes away.

So lets clog up the court system with thousands of people who will never pay fines. This achieves what exactly ? Well aside from peeing voters off.

[racedo]

Originally Posted by davidjohnson6

Are we going to effectively ban cross-border travel for anyone aged under 50 for at least the next 12 months ? If so, the airline and travel industry is going to end up in a very troubled state

Wouldn't worry about the airline industry, it will be the country as a whole when people are prevented from leaving and military are at airports doing it. Revolutions were started for less.

[Expressflight]

Originally Posted by racedo

So lets clog up the court system with thousands of people who will never pay fines. This achieves what exactly ? Well aside from peeing voters off.

With respect I think is a fatuous argument to say "don't have fines in place because people won't pay them, so let's not bother."

I don't think we've reached quite that degree of social anarchy just yet. To most people - the vast majority almost certainly - having a damaged credit rating is a serious problem and any such an unpaid fine will undoubtedly be registered there. An Attachment of Earnings order could also be applied to ones wages and, again. most people actually are in jobs - even now. Sure, there are some people who won't pay but you don't drop a sanction against law breaking just because of that fact.

[Dannyboy39]

Originally Posted by LTNman

I am waiting for someone to come up with an alternative or are air corridors to limited destinations that change weekly the answer. When that happens the likes of Ryanair just hang on to the money and refuse refunds making any booking risky so deceasing the numbers of bookings.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-54776678

The alternative is to go back to a risk based, regional system - the more people are vaccinated, the risk recedes accordingly. Not everyone who gets on a plane, despite the best efforts of the right wing media to tell us otherwise, goes to Benidorm for a 2 week holiday. Since the start of 2019, I've flown around 90 times as SLF.

There doesn't need to be a whole population vaccinated to achieve herd immunity - only 3 in 4 at max. As soon as Coroni hasn't got a viable host to jump to, it dies out. As soon as the over 80s and all of those with underlying health issues are vaccinated, the death numbers will go through the floor.

The industry cannot survive another summer like last. BAW for example have enough cash to last them another 3 quarters. WZZ and RYR didn't lose a lot in the first half of the year, however they have lost out on a lot of next year's revenue by deferring this years. EZY probably have enough cash to last them another 6-9 months.

No disrespect, but may I ask what your job is in this industry? We almost should be setting an example by willing to get on board and showing that air travel isn't the boogie man at present. Your posts on this forum always seem to be constantly negative and anti-migration.

[LTNman]

Originally Posted by racedo

Wouldn't worry about the airline industry, it will be the country as a whole when people are prevented from leaving and military are at airports doing it. Revolutions were started for less.

We can end our restrictions and allow mass travel but there is a little problem. There are not too many countries that would welcome us at the moment. Even tourist hungry Spain has hoops to jump to put people off and that is the problem. Let’s hope we can get our Covid cases down to acceptable levels but as recado likes to point out too many people don’t like rules which will make it harder.

[racedo]

Originally Posted by Expressflight

With respect I think is a fatuous argument to say "don't have fines in place because people won't pay them, so let's not bother."

I don't think we've reached quite that degree of social anarchy just yet. To most people - the vast majority almost certainly - having a damaged credit rating is a serious problem and any such an unpaid fine will undoubtedly be registered there. An Attachment of Earnings order could also be applied to ones wages and, again. most people actually are in jobs - even now. Sure, there are some people who won't pay but you don't drop a sanction against law breaking just because of that fact.

Every person is entitled to a fair trial and imposition of fines without a right to a trial in court is not allowed in UK. People have a right to have the charges laid out against them in a court of law and will do so. Put 10,000 on trial and see the impact and yes there will be thousands who join just to bring the system down.

Credit rating is not really what a 21 yr old student cares of, likewise an AOE.

[racedo]

Originally Posted by LTNman

We can end our restrictions and allow mass travel but there is a little problem. There are not too many countries that would welcome us at the moment. Even tourist hungry Spain has hoops to jump to put people off and that is the problem. Let’s hope we can get our Covid cases down to acceptable levels but as recado likes to point out too many people don’t like rules which will make it harder.

Nobody is going anywhere at the moment nor likely for 6 months minimum.

[Vokes55]

Originally Posted by racedo

Nobody is going anywhere at the moment nor likely for 6 months minimum.

Correction. You’re not going anywhere for 6 months, the majority of the rest of us will be getting on with our lives.

Good to see this thread is still just the same 3-4 clowns going backwards and forwards with their unimportant opinions.

[The96er]

Originally Posted by Vokes55

Correction. You’re not going anywhere for 6 months, the majority of the rest of us will be getting on with our lives.

Good to see this thread is still just the same 3-4 clowns going backwards and forwards with their unimportant opinions.

I think you’ve misunderstood racedo’s sentiment in which I assume it’s not for a want of ‘getting on with it’, more a case of the powers that be preventing it.

[ATNotts]

Originally Posted by Vokes55

Correction. You’re not going anywhere for 6 months, the majority of the rest of us will be getting on with our lives.

Good to see this thread is still just the same 3-4 clowns going backwards and forwards with their unimportant opinions.

With respect, yours is an unrealistic view, in the real world leisure travel is a no-no for the majority.

[alm1]

Poland based Wizz Air crew with Covid (they found 5 in a week) fly in Norway on domestic routes and authorities are unhappy:
https://norwaytoday.info/news/after-...-corona-cases/

[LTNman]

Originally Posted by Dannyboy39

No disrespect, but may I ask what your job is in this industry? We almost should be setting an example by willing to get on board and showing that air travel isn't the boogie man at present. Your posts on this forum always seem to be constantly negative and anti-migration.

I am actually extremely positive that a vaccine will save the day. It might take much of next year to deliver it in meaningful numbers but it will come. Without it I can’t see a way out that will save the industry.

[runway30]

MOL was economical with the truth

1) If you had a flight within the first seven days of the restrictions beginning, Ryanair charged £35 for the ‘free’ transfer plus any difference in the fare.

2) The contract between the passenger and Ryanair (or any other airline) is frustrated because nobody can be forced by contract to undertake something that is illegal. The passenger is entitled to a full refund if they can’t fly. Just because MOL says they don’t have to give refunds doesn’t mean they can’t be forced to give refunds.

[LTNman]

MOL has been consistently wrong footed by the virus despite liking to think he has all the answers

This from today’s Guardian about Easyjet

( Easyjet) was possibly more prescient than rivals in spotting the trouble emerging from Wuhan, given O’Leary was still telling investors in February that it would have no impact.

https://www.theguardian.com/business...le-for-easyjet

Meanwhile in Trump’s America

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[HKGBOY]

There is no evidence (as yet) that "herd immunity" is even such a thing for Covid - nor that the Biotec vaccine prevents virus transmission.
Virus protection might not even last long either & could require a booster every year- we simply do not know.

The new Singapore-Hong Kong air bubble is probably the first of many between low infected Asian countries. I cannot see Europeans being allowed anytime soon into Asian countries.

Vaccines are the only answer we have for now, & I'd be pretty sure China is working flat out on this.

Side effects of any of the vaccines are yet to be disclosed.

BTW- break Covid restrictions in Hong Kong will result in £2.5K fine AND 6 months in prison- court appearances are swift. As always in Asia compliance is extremely high. The weakness of European countries-particularly the UK, is poor compliance & enforcement of regulations.

https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/healt...ll-coronavirus

[SWBKCB]

Originally Posted by HKGBOY

BTW- break Covid restrictions in Hong Kong will result in £2.5K fine AND 6 months in prison- court appearances are swift. As always in Asia compliance is extremely high. The weakness of European countries-particularly the UK, is poor compliance & enforcement of regulations.

https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/healt...ll-coronavirus

This thread and the reactions on it are interesting from a UK perspective

‘Reckless’ Canadian pilots commit major quarantine breach in Darwin

[Vokes55]

Originally Posted by ATNotts

With respect, yours is an unrealistic view, in the real world leisure travel is a no-no for the majority.

With respect, I don’t know a single person in my circle of friends, family and acquaintances who has stopped traveling for leisure. In the real world, people are tired of this overreaction and curbing of their freedoms.

[The96er]

Originally Posted by HKGBOY

There is no evidence (as yet) that "herd immunity" is even such a thing for Covid - nor that the Biotec vaccine prevents virus transmission.
Virus protection might not even last long either & could require a booster every year- we simply do not know.

The new Singapore-Hong Kong air bubble is probably the first of many between low infected Asian countries. I cannot see Europeans being allowed anytime soon into Asian countries.

Vaccines are the only answer we have for now, & I'd be pretty sure China is working flat out on this.

Side effects of any of the vaccines are yet to be disclosed.

BTW- break Covid restrictions in Hong Kong will result in £2.5K fine AND 6 months in prison- court appearances are swift. As always in Asia compliance is extremely high. The weakness of European countries-particularly the UK, is poor compliance & enforcement of regulations.

https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/healt...ll-coronavirus

The problem with countries like HK (China) , NZ en’al is that they’ve backed themselves into a corner with adopting a zero COVID approach and will have to remain isolated forever!. Heard immunity almost certainly exists due in large looking at areas that were hit hard during the first wave, but have remained low during the second wave. The virus will run its course regardless of what action we take. What is most likely is that travel corridors amongst countries hit hard by COVID will begin to open up around early to mid summer with the acceptance that a certain level of the virus exists and is tolerated.

BTW - you seem happy to live within a totalitarian state ! Give me a county that values liberty and the ability to hold our leaders to account any day and where the people are not afraid (for the most part) of the ruling elite.

[HKGBOY]

Originally Posted by Vokes55

With respect, I don’t know a single person in my circle of friends, family and acquaintances who has stopped traveling for leisure. In the real world, people are tired of this overreaction and curbing of their freedoms.

Maybe you are part of the problem delaying a recovery? With 90+% flights cancelled worldwide, I think it is a fair statement to say that the majority(but not all) of leisure travel has stopped.
You may be tired of the situation- aren't we all.
Compliance is the key to any return to normality. Life in Hong Kong- excluding air travel - is pretty much normal in every respect- achieved by compliance by the population. Non compliance merely prolongs the agony.