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Old 29th Oct 2020, 19:59
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It doesn’t make a difference. The virus is already ingrained in the population.
But the additional cases brought in will still have to be eliminated. The UK was one of the last countries to introduce restrictions and was condemned. Now they have tough restrictions they are still condemned. It is not only the English government that has travel restrictions it is the 4 nations but no mention of that here.

Their is also the dilemma of us infecting others while on our travels.

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Old 29th Oct 2020, 22:49
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While we can travel to the Canaries much of Spain now can’t. We live in strange times.
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Old 30th Oct 2020, 01:44
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According to the Financial Times the virus variant which is responsible for up to 80% of current infections in Northern Europe inc the UK originated in Spain. It was first observed among farm workers and was spread throughout Europe by returning holidaymakers.
For the second day running the world total of reported cases has exceeded 500,000, double what it was about 6 weeks ago.
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Old 30th Oct 2020, 16:17
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According to the Financial Times the virus variant which is responsible for up to 80% of current infections in Northern Europe inc the UK originated in Spain. It was first observed among farm workers and was spread throughout Europe by returning holidaymakers.
For the second day running the world total of reported cases has exceeded 500,000, double what it was about 6 weeks ago.
216 Countries and Territories around the world have this Lurgy and we are still implementing travel bans,corridors and quarantine etc.You can't even travel across the UK without bumping into a circuit-breakers,firebreaks,tiers etc.Most brits I know off visit the beach in Spain rather than the local Spanish farms.I think I shall go and live in a Swedish farm with no music! Ta Ta.
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Old 30th Oct 2020, 22:37
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Sadly if what one of friends indicate is true, Gatwick has told 600 staff members they will be made redundant.
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Old 30th Oct 2020, 22:45
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Originally Posted by ericsson16
216 Countries and Territories around the world have this Lurgy and we are still implementing travel bans,corridors and quarantine etc.You can't even travel across the UK without bumping into a circuit-breakers,firebreaks,tiers etc.Most brits I know off visit the beach in Spain rather than the local Spanish farms.I think I shall go and live in a Swedish farm with no music! Ta Ta.
Sadly there is Xenophobia at work in many countries wanting to find victims for anger.

It could just as easily have been released from Fort Detrick in 2019 when it got closed for a period because its safety standards were found out during an inspection. Everybody can come up with multiple theories and most will be wrong.
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Old 31st Oct 2020, 01:29
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News reports appearing suggest that Boris Johnson will announce a more strict form of lockdown in the first week of November
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Old 31st Oct 2020, 08:18
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So when the country is placed into a second lockdown will a holiday aboard to say the Canaries be regarded as essential travel when a trip to the English coast will no doubt be banned. Bear in mind people will need to travel to the airport and then mix with other people, which is what a lockdown is meant to prevent.
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Old 31st Oct 2020, 09:10
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So when the country is placed into a second lockdown will a holiday aboard to say the Canaries be regarded as essential travel when a trip to the English coast will no doubt be banned. Bear in mind people will need to travel to the airport and then mix with other people, which is what a lockdown is meant to prevent.
If the lockdown worked why are we having another one? And if it didn't work why are we having another one?
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Old 31st Oct 2020, 09:21
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Originally Posted by ericsson16
If the lockdown worked why are we having another one? And if it didn't work why are we having another one?
Because there is a careful balance needed between protecting people from Covid and protecting them from the associated economic downturn.

We probably eased off too soon, too quickly. The answer from the Far East etc seems to be lockdown hard, close borders, ruthlessly track and trace. Nobody said it was easy.
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Old 31st Oct 2020, 09:35
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This is just a total nightmare. We know that the last lockdown worked in bringing down the numbers but then it comes back again as restrictions are relaxed and more people ignore the new tiers. I watched the interview of an old guy who lives in a tier 3 area. He now goes to the betting shop and pub in a different area to get around the restrictions stating that rules are meant to be broken.

We are now entering winter so what hope is there that this won’t just carry on to the Spring. We will hopefully have a vaccine by then but some here have already stated they won’t have it. Let’s hope that attitude is not nationwide.

I see a bleak future.
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Because there is a careful balance needed between protecting people from Covid and protecting them from the associated economic downturn.

We probably eased off too soon, too quickly. The answer from the Far East etc seems to be lockdown hard, close borders, ruthlessly track and trace. Nobody said it was easy.
If you don't ease off then you are in a police state where police cannot cope and people ignore eveyrthing.

Friends in Republic of Ireland indicate that they eased off BUT kept pubs closes predominantely in Dublin thus keeping any weekend trips out. There has been a huge rise in cases but many can be traced back to sport / house parties or it appears by one person coming back from holidays and not isolating then infecting 60 people. Lots of cases close to the border as different rules in NI because DUP didn't want to do same as Dublin.



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Old 31st Oct 2020, 11:34
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If the lockdown worked why are we having another one? And if it didn't work why are we having another one?
Bojo clutching at straws and copying people again and again. There is no strategy only a complete knee jerk reaction all the time.

I have used motorways since March as working in West Mids, they are back to normal and have been for 2 months. Full lockdown was inevitable but who the hell pays for it all is anybodies guess.
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Old 31st Oct 2020, 11:40
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Compliance is the issue here.
In Hong Kong, one of the most densely populated cities in the world. Compliance is total.
Only HKG citizens can enter. Tested on arrival- Negative test means 14 days strict quarantine- positive means taken to an isolation hospital.
Quarantine means being tagged with GPS tracker & if you break quarantine it is a compulsory 2,500 fine AND 6 months in prison- no argument, no quibble- instant.
However, the result is the city is operating as normal, shops, bars, restaurants all full, busy streets. Masks & distancing compulsory.
They do get maybe 2 or 3 new cases of Covid a week- all imported and all detected at the airport.From the moment you step foot in HKG you are monitored, tracked, traced every single step until your quarantine is up- but then you are free.
Ironically compliance and control equals better freedoms & safer environments.
Unfortunately, even after 7 months & billions of pounds the UK have never had any effective track & trace or monitoring of self quarantine.

We don't even have compliance from our own Government advisers or MPs- so that's our issue- we make rules to look like we are doing something but fail to comply at all levels.
Part of the UKs box ticking culture.

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Old 31st Oct 2020, 12:30
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We don't even have compliance from our own Government advisers or MPs- so that's our issue- we make rules to look like we are doing something but fail to comply at all levels.
Part of the UKs box ticking culture.
In truth that is a huge issue. Cummings should have been suspended or dismissed because it sets an example to all. Our near neighbour dismissed senior politicians because they went to a golf day / dinner. Friends over there said it set an example to all.
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In truth that is a huge issue. Cummings should have been suspended or dismissed because it sets an example to all. Our near neighbour dismissed senior politicians because they went to a golf day / dinner. Friends over there said it set an example to all.
So we are quite happy to slag politicians off as being incompetent but then use their indiscretions as an excuse to not follow the rules ourselves. Hypocrites.

Time for people to grow up and take responsibility for their own actions rather than looking for excuses to do what they want.
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In truth that is a huge issue. Cummings should have been suspended or dismissed because it sets an example to all. Our near neighbour dismissed senior politicians because they went to a golf day / dinner. Friends over there said it set an example to all.
Seem to remember some SNP MP refusing to resign after travelling not only down from Scotland with symptoms but traveling back after testing positive. Best not to mention that I guess when making a point.

Bojo clutching at straws and copying people again and again. There is no strategy only a complete knee jerk reaction all the time
And you would have done what? All over Europe countries are now introducing lockdowns, are they all knee jerk reactions?

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So we are quite happy to slag politicians off as being incompetent but then use their indiscretions as an excuse to not follow the rules ourselves. Hypocrites.
Who are the hypocrites though ? People pretty much followed the lockdown. As someone who worked away from home all during lockdown 1 there was little movement anywhere and I was on motorways quite a bit as well. When people saw politicians doing what they like along with celebs and zero happening they took the view of WTF should I follow the rules when everybody else doesn't.

Govt sacking people employed on public purse gets a clear message that it applies to ALL. It applied in other countries but not in UK.


Time for people to grow up and take responsibility for their own actions rather than looking for excuses to do what they want.
People do but they insist that those making the rules also follow them. When they don't people take the FU option on rules and apply their own.
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Seem to remember some SNP MP refusing to resign after travelling not only down from Scotland with symptoms but traveling back after testing positive. Best not to mention that I guess when making a point.
Our near neighbour in question is Republic of Ireland, Scotland / Wales / NI are regional assemblies not Govt despite what they call themselves.

And you would have done what? All over Europe countries are now introducing lockdowns, are they all knee jerk reactions?
Ah so now it is comparison to what EU countrys do. There is no UK plan, never has been, never will be.
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Old 31st Oct 2020, 15:40
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The SNP person is a Westminster MP. She was immediately expelled from the party. There is nothing else that Ms Sturgeon can do unless there is a recall petition.
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