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Old 25th Nov 2020, 09:01
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Originally Posted by LTNman
It is starting to look a little gloomy for the vaccine wimps who wish to travel in the future particularly long haul, as for them it might not happen.

https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/20...ew-travel-list
An industry that demands forced medication before travel is unlikely to survive very long.
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Old 25th Nov 2020, 09:55
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Wonder if the App will be free ? Given the rules that you can reduce quarantine lengths by paying for a test is this the new way forward. Hope Aviation isnt going backwards to being an elitist industry and only the more well off people will be able to afford to travel
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Old 25th Nov 2020, 09:58
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Wonder if the App will be free ? Given the rules that you can reduce quarantine lengths by paying for a test is this the new way forward. Hope Aviation isnt going backwards to being an elitist industry and only the more well off people will be able to afford to travel
I'll settle for only the HEALTHY being allowed to fly.
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Old 25th Nov 2020, 10:25
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The lockdown regulations were to prevent our health and social care systems being swamped by the seriously ill. By Easter the vulnerable groups should all have been vaccinated, so even if most of the population still haven't, this shouldn't matter. The small proportion of the young and healthy who do get seriously ill can be treated by the NHS which will now have the capacity to manage them.
Other countries may well wish to insist on prior vaccination, and I can imagine that travel insurance companies may also require it.
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Old 25th Nov 2020, 10:36
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Originally Posted by MARK 101
Wonder if the App will be free ? Given the rules that you can reduce quarantine lengths by paying for a test is this the new way forward. Hope Aviation isnt going backwards to being an elitist industry and only the more well off people will be able to afford to travel
According to the linked article the App will be free.
However it will be paid for by the airlines on a pence per passenger basis and the airlines will no doubt recoup that through the fare box so maybe not completely free!
"No such thing as a free lunch" as the saying goes
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Old 25th Nov 2020, 10:51
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Originally Posted by The96er
An industry that demands forced medication before travel is unlikely to survive very long.
Will it not depend to some extent on "consumer confidence" to travel?
The airlines will do their research no doubt and if the majority say they would be confident to travel if all passengers were vaccinated then that is the route they will likely take.
Of the remainder, no doubt many will grumble but play the game because they want that holiday or need to travel. The remainder who consider it some sort of affront to their human rights can avoid those airlines which have a vaccination only policy or avoid flying altogether.
It is also possible that national governments may intervene in this which would take the heat away from the airlines altogether.

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Old 25th Nov 2020, 11:12
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So devolved nations agree on the Christmas "bubbles" between 23rd Dec until 27th Dec. After 2nd Dec, there will be no travel restrictions within England, so people can go on holiday, therefore travel to whichever airport they choose. But Wales still insist travel abroad is not allowed, therefore no holidays abroad, so for me who lives in North Wales (20 miles from border), I could visit family/friends in Cheshire but I can't go a few miles further inland to Manchester Airport...so no complete agreement on the travel situation overall!
This is the way I am reading it...please correct me if I'm completely or partial wrong.
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Old 25th Nov 2020, 12:25
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Originally Posted by The96er
An industry that demands forced medication before travel is unlikely to survive very long.
It's very simple, if you want the privileges then get vaccinated. If you don't want to get vaccinated, then don't travel. Same should go for other situations such attending public indoor events such as cinema, concerts, perhaps even pubs and restaurants. Vaccination should be a free choice, but with drawbacks if you make the choice not to receive it.
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Old 25th Nov 2020, 12:27
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It's very simple, if you want the privileges then get vaccinated. If you don't want to get vaccinated, then don't travel. Same should go for other situations such attending public indoor events such as cinema, concerts, perhaps even pubs and restaurants. Vaccination should be a free choice, but with drawbacks if you make the choice not to receive it.
+1 on that.
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Old 25th Nov 2020, 12:46
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Originally Posted by ATNotts
It's very simple, if you want the privileges then get vaccinated. If you don't want to get vaccinated, then don't travel. Same should go for other situations such attending public indoor events such as cinema, concerts, perhaps even pubs and restaurants. Vaccination should be a free choice, but with drawbacks if you make the choice not to receive it.
With the under 50's unlikely to be vaccinated until the summer due simple logistics, and the under 40's unlikely to ever need a vaccine, you're essentially saying all the enconomically active population should be prevented from economic activity? - I thought this hardline Socialism and the desire to control peoples lives ended with the fall of the Berlin wall ! - obviously I was wrong.
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Old 25th Nov 2020, 13:30
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With the under 50's unlikely to be vaccinated until the summer due simple logistics, and the under 40's unlikely to ever need a vaccine, you're essentially saying all the enconomically active population should be prevented from economic activity? - I thought this hardline Socialism and the desire to control peoples lives ended with the fall of the Berlin wall ! - obviously I was wrong.
Just to clarify what I was advocating, clearly people can't make the decision whether or not to take the vaccine until it is released to their group in society. I believe that on the last list I saw, I am 11th in rank, so can't see me getting a vaccination before the end of the summer, even though Hancock has this wonderful ambition to get us all done by Easter. Once everyone has been offered vaccination, there should be constraints placed on those people who have chosen not to have it in the areas of life I laid out.

It will be interesting to see if the private medical sector will be offering vaccination at a price which would give people (with money) the chance to get a vaccination and travel to those areas of the world that almost certainly will demand a vaccination certificate before allowing them access to those countries.
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Old 25th Nov 2020, 13:35
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It would be extraordinary if private clinics did NOT try to sell the vaccine to people - if they can get hold of a supply of the vaccine, the potential profit margin, particularly when a large company has employees who need to travel, is enormous
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Old 25th Nov 2020, 14:51
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It will be interesting to see if the private medical sector will be offering vaccination at a price which would give people (with money) the chance to get a vaccination and travel to those areas of the world that almost certainly will demand a vaccination certificate before allowing them access to those countries.
Vaccine certificates available for a price? Why bother the medics - they are soooo busy...
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Any thoughts as to what Grant Shapps will decide tomorrow at 5 pm ? I'm looking at Estonia and Latvia and wondering if they might end up on the naughty list...
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Old 25th Nov 2020, 15:10
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Originally Posted by ATNotts
It's very simple, if you want the privileges then get vaccinated. If you don't want to get vaccinated, then don't travel. Same should go for other situations such attending public indoor events such as cinema, concerts, perhaps even pubs and restaurants. Vaccination should be a free choice, but with drawbacks if you make the choice not to receive it.
So right now the younger and healthier part of the population are getting restricted same as everyone else but in the future when they're the last to get a vaccine (assuming they ever do) they're subject to more restrictions than others?

I really hope that's not the case. If granny is vaccinated it shouldn't make a difference whether the 20 year old relative is carrying the virus or not.
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Old 25th Nov 2020, 16:44
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Once the vulnerable have been vaccinated, ? Easter then there is no reason to restrict movement within the UK. However, having left the EU it is entirely up to other countries to set their entry requirements. And with no EHIC, travel insurance becomes essential even in the EU and insurers may insist on it.
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Old 25th Nov 2020, 18:14
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Once the vulnerable have been vaccinated, ? Easter then there is no reason to restrict movement within the UK. However, having left the EU it is entirely up to other countries to set their entry requirements. And with no EHIC, travel insurance becomes essential even in the EU and insurers may insist on it.
That's very true, and although the UK is in transition, certainly earlier in the year, whilst the UK was busy demanding quarantine of people arriving from some EU nations, within the "real" EU for the most part borders were being kept open and travel between member states largely permitted.

The whole thing may become a lot messier come January, and as for insurance companies, I think it's a pretty safe bet that they will demand vaccination, else health aspects of the cover may be invalid. Insurers don't like paying out at the best of times, and the risk to them of paying out on covid is severely raised, and likely will be for most of next year
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Old 25th Nov 2020, 19:17
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Originally Posted by The96er
An industry that demands forced medication before travel is unlikely to survive very long.

No different than many countries requiring proof of vaccinations. No one makes a fuss about that as the choice is simple. No vaccination no travel. So 2 doses a month apart and then another month wait to build up immunity then off you go. As pointed out those who are younger might have a long wait to be vaccinated.

With many people no doubt refusing to be vaccinated this could be the carrot and stick approach

https://practio.co.uk/travel-health/...on-certificate

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Old 25th Nov 2020, 19:48
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I think we're going down a dangerous road to make something like this mandatory and I don't think many governments in the sane world will, however I have particular beef over penalising those who want to travel and want to get vaccinated but logistically it is impossible due to age / demand / priority.
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Old 25th Nov 2020, 21:06
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Originally Posted by ATNotts
Just to clarify what I was advocating, clearly people can't make the decision whether or not to take the vaccine until it is released to their group in society. I believe that on the last list I saw, I am 11th in rank, so can't see me getting a vaccination before the end of the summer, even though Hancock has this wonderful ambition to get us all done by Easter. Once everyone has been offered vaccination, there should be constraints placed on those people who have chosen not to have it in the areas of life I laid out.
So giving that it will be at least a year before the masses under 40 are eligable, you're suggesting in the meantime that the whole Leisure/Hopitality/Travel industry should take at least another year sitting it out waiting for their client base to be vaccinated ?
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