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Old 10th Nov 2020, 16:41
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Govt seems to think vaccines should be voluntary
Health Secretary Matt Hancock has confirmed: “We are not proposing to make this compulsory – not least because I think the vast majority of people are going to want to have it.”
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-51176409
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Old 10th Nov 2020, 16:56
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Originally Posted by LTNman
Those that take the vaccine should be given a passport back to a normal life while those that refuse should not until enough have been vaccinated to ensure heard immunity .
That won't happen - mainly because we live in a free democratic society and not a Socialist Dictatorship no matter how much it appeals to you.
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Old 10th Nov 2020, 21:01
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Has any decision been made as to whether the use-it-or-lose-it rule will apply to slots in the UK and EU for the summer 2021 period ? If no decision yet, when are decisions expected ?
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Old 10th Nov 2020, 21:39
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IATA Virtual Slot Conference is still going ahead next week I believe. Slot hand back isn't until the end of January so plenty of time yet.
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Old 10th Nov 2020, 22:22
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Originally Posted by DaveReidUK
Yes, they clearly sat on the news until after the election.

Gosh, it's actually easier than you might think, this evidence-free assertion lark, I think I've got the hang of it now.
Of course the obvious thing you and others didn't see was the name of the drug. You need to read more.
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Old 10th Nov 2020, 22:24
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Originally Posted by LGS6753
Interestingly, Pfizer's CEO has stated that he didn't seek Government funding because "it always comes with strings attached" and he wanted to give his scientists free rein. Sounds like a victory for free enterprise.
Right. A drug company who says we didn't seek Govt funding, next they will be saying that the drug will be available to everybody at cost with no profit taken.
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Old 10th Nov 2020, 22:31
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Originally Posted by davidjohnson6
Airlines with a strong domestic network (e.g. SAS), reliant on migrant workers (e.g. Wizzair) or beach package holiday centric like TUI will presumably be be less affected but I'm wondering how the likes of Easyjet and Ryanair might be affected - paying an extra GBP 200+ in tests per person for a weekend in (e.g.) Barcelona isn't great. Will this continue to depress air travel demand to a significant extent ?
Airline travel is pretty much dead in 2021, drug is not fully tested and likely would be 6 months before FDA have approved it and 12 months minimum before it was available widely, I was going to say "freely" available but it is a drug company.

Migrant worker issue has a life cycle of its own and many markets are now in mature phase.
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Old 10th Nov 2020, 22:36
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That won't happen - mainly because we live in a free democratic society and not a Socialist Dictatorship no matter how much it appeals to you.

When Govt start making it compulsory they will find that their replacements who ousted them may have a different viewpoint,
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Old 10th Nov 2020, 22:43
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Originally Posted by davidjohnson6
It looks like Europe is moving away from a "borders closed" approach and instead moving towards a "you must show a PCR test certificate from the last 72 hours on arrival" approach when entering a country, with the cost of the PCR test borne by the traveller - approx GBP 100 or EUR 110
This might be acceptable to those travelling for an annual 2 week holiday or intending to stay for a month or longer because of work, but maybe less acceptable for those intending to spend only a few days away from home - e.g. business travel or leisure weekend break
You can fly to some Eastern European country to do your covid test cheaper It's only 70 eur over here
I am sure Turkey with their big medical tourism industry could offer even better deal. Like fly to you holiday destination on TK via Istanbul, get yor covid test done during layover for free
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Originally Posted by LTNman
I would support a vaccine passport for a quicker normal life while leaving the vaccine wimps hiding under their beds or do they want the benefits of those that have taken the vaccine for themselves as well?
It's in the nature of vaccination programmes that a minority of the population who decline to be vaccinated benefit from the fact that the majority are protected. The trick is to ensure that the minority doesn't become a majority.

It might be the case that only those that have had a vaccine are allowed to travel to countries still deemed to be high risk or some countries might only accept vaccinated people.
Few would disagree with travel restrictions being tied to vaccination - but your original "refuse [the unvaccinated] a passport to a normal life" implied something rather more draconian, whether that was your intention or not.
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Old 11th Nov 2020, 09:26
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Originally Posted by DaveReidUK
It's in the nature of vaccination programmes that a minority of the population who decline to be vaccinated benefit from the fact that the majority are protected. The trick is to ensure that the minority doesn't become a majority.



Few would disagree with travel restrictions being tied to vaccination - but your original "refuse [the unvaccinated] a passport to a normal life" implied something rather more draconian, whether that was your intention or not.
The way to do that would be to make vaccination compulsory, via the back door, by denying access to unvaccinated people to pubs, restaurants, child care - and overseas travel, unless they can provide a certificate confirming their vaccination is current. The latter could be achieved not by barring the unvaccinated from having a passport, but denying them from returning to the UK, without 14 days government provided secure quarantine if they weren't vaccinated. I should add that the government quarantine facilities would be charged for at a commercial rate plus.
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Originally Posted by ATNotts
The way to do that would be to make vaccination compulsory, via the back door, by denying access to unvaccinated people to pubs, restaurants, child care - and overseas travel, unless they can provide a certificate confirming their vaccination is current. The latter could be achieved not by barring the unvaccinated from having a passport, but denying them from returning to the UK, without 14 days government provided secure quarantine if they weren't vaccinated. I should add that the government quarantine facilities would be charged for at a commercial rate plus.

How would you deal with those who can not take a vaccine for genuine medical reasons
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How would you deal with those who can not take a vaccine for genuine medical reasons
Is it a case of, to quote Mr Spock -
'logic dictates that the needs of the many outweighs the needs of the few'
just saying.
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There are no plans for those in England aged under 50 and without health issues (and not health workers) to be vaccinated on the grounds that the risk of these people dying is very low
These people will of course be able to act as infectious carriers and account for a large section of those who fly, yet denying well over half the population access to a normal life for many months on the grounds that they are unvaccinated may be problematic. Herd immunity is not going to happen for a LONG time. We are going to have to live with this, and accept the idea of potential carriers being in the community... or have many more months of lockdown

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54902909

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Old 11th Nov 2020, 14:40
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In the same way as there are people exempt from wearing a mask. And many of those with compromised immune systems would not want to go abroad since they would not be able to get insurance.
There are democracies which won't allow unvaccinated children to attend school.
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Old 11th Nov 2020, 14:53
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How would you deal with those who can not take a vaccine for genuine medical reasons
A "genuine" medical certificate, provided by a bone fide health professions; not the ridiculous self certification that gets those who don't, as well as those who can't wear face coverings out of doing so. If we're to beat this thig, and for that matter measles, mumps and rubella we have to start getting tough and sanctioning those who won't take vaccinations for the greater good of society.

And, by the way, I wouldn't allow any religious exceptions, since religion is a belief, not a condition.
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Showing my ignorance here but with President elect Biden not taking office until 20th January where does that leave US policy on border access in the meantime?
If nothing changes in the interim as I would imagine then even if the UK drops it's 14 day quarantine period, the border to North America will remain closed into next year notwithstanding any policy decisions that the incoming POTUS might choose to make.
I appreciate quarantine affects all countries and all visitors but the US is always seen as such an important long-haul market.
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Commit - I think you've answered your own question. Trump is the person who controls Covid immigration policy between now and 20-Jan-2021 - the only way around this is some significant turf war around constitutional powers
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Originally Posted by ATNotts
A "genuine" medical certificate, provided by a bone fide health professions; not the ridiculous self certification that gets those who don't, as well as those who can't wear face coverings out of doing so. If we're to beat this thig, and for that matter measles, mumps and rubella we have to start getting tough and sanctioning those who won't take vaccinations for the greater good of society.

And, by the way, I wouldn't allow any religious exceptions, since religion is a belief, not a condition.
Let's just keep pumping people full of drugs, Pharmacy companies will be so pleased.
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Old 11th Nov 2020, 19:06
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So more frightened of the vaccine than the virus that has killed 1.25m people? Is the virus not risky? So we all refuse the vaccine and just carry on as now with restrictions and lockdowns while blaming governments whilst refusing to be proactive. Is the answer that we go back to a normal life now with total freedoms and wait our turn to see if we catch it due to ever increasing case numbers? I donít think Joe Public would accept that scenario when we are fed nightly news reports taken in COVID wards and with an NHS that would collapsed.

I would support a vaccine passport for a quicker normal life while leaving the vaccine wimps hiding under their beds or do they want the benefits of those that have taken the vaccine for themselves as well?

It might be the case that only those that have had a vaccine are allowed to travel to countries still deemed to be high risk or some countries might only accept vaccinated people.
1 million people die every year from Malaria, millions more die because of lack of access to clean water or food.
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