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Old 14th Nov 2020, 05:08
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Nuisance 79- note: Saliva tests have been in use at HKG airport for months. results are available in 4 hours.
Yet no foreigner is allowed in the country, even for business reasons.
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Old 14th Nov 2020, 10:16
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Yet no foreigner is allowed in the country, even for business reasons.
The unpalatable truth is that those countries that started off with quick international restrictions and continue to crack down hard on international travel are the countries with the least or no cases so their citizens lead near normal lives.

Meanwhile over here airlines like Wizz and Ryanair continue to offer holidaymakers tempting deals in the hope that they will break the lockdown while criticising any measures from any country that affects them financially.
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Old 14th Nov 2020, 10:23
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LTNman.........don't forget that BAW operate LHR to TFS, today and some other days two flights per day.
BA2730 is operated on Monday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday.BA414 is operated on Friday and Saturday

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Old 14th Nov 2020, 11:22
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The unpalatable truth is that those countries that started off with quick international restrictions and continue to crack down hard on international travel are the countries with the least or no cases so their citizens lead near normal lives.
you have to ask, how are these countries going to open themselves up. A whole population with little to no exposure to the virus may not be the best strategy economically in the long run when the rest of the world has moved on.
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Old 14th Nov 2020, 11:23
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Originally Posted by LTNman
The unpalatable truth is that those countries that started off with quick international restrictions and continue to crack down hard on international travel are the countries with the least or no cases so their citizens lead near normal lives.

Meanwhile over here airlines like Wizz and Ryanair continue to offer holidaymakers tempting deals in the hope that they will break the lockdown while criticising any measures from any country that affects them financially.
With no end game... what wouldíve been the reaction if we isolated ourselves from everyone else and done the same as NZ allowing in just 500 people a day. I was yesterday that those in the U.K. from Ireland are getting pissed off with their own governments reaction to Christmas.
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Old 14th Nov 2020, 11:31
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you have to ask, how are these countries going to open themselves up. A whole population with little to no exposure to the virus may not be the best strategy economically in the long run when the rest of the world has moved on.
Vaccinate their own population and demand proof of those arriving have been vaccinated. I expect in the early days of vaccination there will be no proof from the U.K. but then someone will cotton on when restrictions on U.K. citizens are not lifted.
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Old 14th Nov 2020, 11:56
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Vaccinate their own population and demand proof of those arriving have been vaccinated. I expect in the early days of vaccination there will be no proof from the U.K. but then someone will cotton on when restrictions on U.K. citizens are not lifted.
So the whole world stops. The most economically active people either donít get vaccinated or isnít available to them for another 12 months.
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Old 14th Nov 2020, 11:59
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My other half is currently in Hong Kong having flown in from KUL via SIN.
Now released from quarantine, it is a normal life in Hong Kong- all shops, bars, restaurants are busy as is the MTR.

They now have an "air bubble" between Singapore & HKG & quarantine can be waived with pre & post flight Covid testings along with other strict qualifications.

Obviously touristy type venues & hotels are very quiet as only Hong Kong residents are allowed in the country, but there are no lock downs and few restrictions to normal life.

I assume, they will carry on that way until a vaccine can be rolled out.

I assume that a "normal" domestic economy is the better option than the European lockdown model.

Europe has gone for a Virus containment strategy & most Asian countries have gone for a virus eradication strategy.

I imagine vaccine certificates will be the norm in the short/medium term, I'm sure Grant Shapps & co will think about this only after a few million doses have been handed out.
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Old 14th Nov 2020, 14:27
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So the whole world stops. The most economically active people either don’t get vaccinated or isn’t available to them for another 12 months.
Seems to me that the world has stopped and that the economically active people are stuck at home in some sort of lockdown or restriction in much of the world. Just need to ask BA about economically active people and how they are doing. As for me in my little economic world, I can't even take the dog to the pub and spend a few quid. Last month the Welsh Assembly served an Asbo on my old woman, the dog and myself as we were too much of a risk. I guess the dog could have gone on its own but that is not the point.

Proof of vaccine should hopefully open up the world leaving those who won't take it stuck at the boarding gate.
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Old 14th Nov 2020, 15:56
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Originally Posted by LTNman
Vaccinate their own population and demand proof of those arriving have been vaccinated. I expect in the early days of vaccination there will be no proof from the U.K. but then someone will cotton on when restrictions on U.K. citizens are not lifted.
I don't think vaccines work quite like that! They are not 100% effective and many people are unsuited to vaccination, for example those with certain underlying health conditions. A vaccine is useful, but it is no silver bullet and should be used as a part of a sensible and proportionate health strategy. It will be totally unethical to ban someone traveling because they hadn't been vaccinated, it also shows a rather simplistic understanding of the many issues.
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Old 14th Nov 2020, 16:15
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I don't think vaccines work quite like that! They are not 100% effective and many people are unsuited to vaccination, for example those with certain underlying health conditions. A vaccine is useful, but it is no silver bullet and should be used as a part of a sensible and proportionate health strategy. It will be totally unethical to ban someone traveling because they hadn't been vaccinated, it also shows a rather simplistic understanding of the many issues.
Substitute yellow fever for Covid, and see how far that argument gets you when you try to enter Angola, Cameroon, Cote d'Ivoire and a number of other African countries without proof of vaccination.
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Old 14th Nov 2020, 17:04
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Originally Posted by LTNman
Seems to me that the world has stopped and that the economically active people are stuck at home in some sort of lockdown or restriction in much of the world. Just need to ask BA about economically active people and how they are doing. As for me in my little economic world, I can't even take the dog to the pub and spend a few quid. Last month the Welsh Assembly served an Asbo on my old woman, the dog and myself as we were too much of a risk. I guess the dog could have gone on its own but that is not the point.

Proof of vaccine should hopefully open up the world leaving those who won't take it stuck at the boarding gate.
Flawed strategy because 1 day after it becomes compulsory you have fraudsters with fake details. So instead of being any more secure you are even less secure because the person sitting next to you may have paid $50 for a fake certificate,
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Old 14th Nov 2020, 17:09
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Originally Posted by LTNman
Seems to me that the world has stopped and that the economically active people are stuck at home in some sort of lockdown or restriction in much of the world. Just need to ask BA about economically active people and how they are doing. As for me in my little economic world, I can't even take the dog to the pub and spend a few quid. Last month the Welsh Assembly served an Asbo on my old woman, the dog and myself as we were too much of a risk. I guess the dog could have gone on its own but that is not the point.

Proof of vaccine should hopefully open up the world leaving those who won't take it stuck at the boarding gate.
Whereas some of us want to retain an aviation industry in the UK.
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Old 14th Nov 2020, 17:12
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If someone can be fined £10,000 for holding a Covid party then a similar fine would focus a few minds. Vaccination will save what is left of the airline industry. Fake documents and no national data base will undermine it

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Substitute yellow fever for Covid, and see how far that argument gets you when you try to enter Angola, Cameroon, Cote d'Ivoire and a number of other African countries without proof of vaccination.
What is total level of inbound traffic at all of those airports combined in 2019.
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Old 14th Nov 2020, 17:16
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If someone can be fined £10,000 for holding a Covid party then a similar fine would focus a few minds. Vaccination will save what is left of the airline industry. Fake documents will undermine it.
You can fine people all you like, if they have zero money to pay then what then ?
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Originally Posted by PaulFrank
I don't think vaccines work quite like that! They are not 100% effective and many people are unsuited to vaccination, for example those with certain underlying health conditions. A vaccine is useful, but it is no silver bullet and should be used as a part of a sensible and proportionate health strategy. It will be totally unethical to ban someone traveling because they hadn't been vaccinated, it also shows a rather simplistic understanding of the many issues.
Media has hyped this as a panacea for everything. It will be anything but as people will be duped.
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Old 14th Nov 2020, 17:25
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Would be interested in how you would get aviation back on its feet if everyone had your mindset?
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The idea of permitting travel only to those with a vaccine certificate assumes that a vaccine is readily available to all who want it for modest cost.

If we assume a vaccine is approved by 31 Dec, and each of the 1,200 NHS Primary Care Networks can provide the hoped-for 1,000 shots per week, then a vaccine that requires 2 shots will achieve (on average) 600,000 people per week. There are 12 million people over 65 in the UK - so it would take until the end of May before they have immunity. It will likely take until November next year before all the over 50s are vaccinated. The UK doesn't even have a plan to vaccinate the under 50s - it would probably take until the end of 2022 before people in their 20s were vaccinated

Are we going to effectively ban cross-border travel for anyone aged under 50 for at least the next 12 months ? If so, the airline and travel industry is going to end up in a very troubled state
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Old 14th Nov 2020, 17:30
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You can fine people all you like, if they have zero money to pay then what then ?
That is their problem. Because someone can’t pay doesn’t mean the fine goes away.
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