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Old 15th Nov 2020, 10:20
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MOL has been consistently wrong footed by the virus despite liking to think he has all the answers
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When that happens the likes of Ryanair just hang on to the money and refuse refunds making any booking risky so deceasing the numbers of bookings.
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Meanwhile good old Ryanair, which is as predictable as Trump claiming fraud, urged Mr Shapps to reverse the decision and called the new restrictions bizarre and baseless
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Ryanair are actually encouraging the public to ignore the English lockdown, which they have never believed in.
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No doubt the likes of Ryanair will fly out empty aircraft and keep the money.
We get it, you don't like Ryanair, any chance you can change the record?
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Good to see this thread is still just the same 3-4 clowns going backwards and forwards with their unimportant opinions.
I'm with Vokes on this one.


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Old 15th Nov 2020, 10:28
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Originally Posted by HKGBOY
Maybe you are part of the problem delaying a recovery? With 90+% flights cancelled worldwide, I think it is a fair statement to say that the majority(but not all) of leisure travel has stopped.
You may be tired of the situation- aren't we all.
Compliance is the key to any return to normality. Life in Hong Kong- excluding air travel - is pretty much normal in every respect- achieved by compliance by the population. Non compliance merely prolongs the agony.
Thankfully we still live in a democracy in the UK, just about.

I donít think your ďcomplianceĒ argument has helped Cathay Pacific or any of Hong Kongís hotels or tourism industry. This is an aviation forum after all.
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Old 15th Nov 2020, 10:30
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BTW - you seem happy to live within a totalitarian state ! Give me a county that values liberty and the ability to hold our leaders to account any day and where the people are not afraid (for the most part) of the ruling elite.[/QUOTE]

I'm currently in the UK & my other half in Hong Kong, as I don't have residential status for HKG, we have not seen each other for 10 months.
For the majority, people in Hong Kong are leading a normal happy life- even through Covid.
I'd hardly show the UK Government as a shining example of leadership, clarity or accountability. They can't even agree to feed hungry schoolchildren without a massive cock up. Just how accountable were Government special advisers-who until Friday were running the country with zero accountability. Massive contracts on mates rates without any transparency. Billions spent on T & T that don't work. No system is perfect- the UK has a ruling elite just like everywhere else.
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Old 15th Nov 2020, 10:53
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Originally Posted by Vokes55
With respect, I donít know a single person in my circle of friends, family and acquaintances who has stopped traveling for leisure. In the real world, people are tired of this overreaction and curbing of their freedoms.
That's interesting. It's the exact opposite in my circle of friends and neighbours. Not ONE has travelled by air or any public transport for leisure. A very small number may have taken a short holiday somewhere, but in their own car and not too far away from home.
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Old 15th Nov 2020, 10:58
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Originally Posted by Vokes55
Correction. You’re not going anywhere for 6 months, the majority of the rest of us will be getting on with our lives.
Au contraire, had holiday in Croatia in summer, came back and isolated. Looking at planning a week away in Feb and likely have to go and work in Ireland for a couple of weeks in December. I have also worked the whole way through lockdown away from Surrey.

Good to see this thread is still just the same 3-4 clowns going backwards and forwards with their unimportant opinions.
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Old 15th Nov 2020, 11:04
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Originally Posted by The96er
I think youíve misunderstood racedoís sentiment in which I assume itís not for a want of Ďgetting on with ití, more a case of the powers that be preventing it.
Trying to is more apt.
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Old 15th Nov 2020, 11:08
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Originally Posted by Vokes55
With respect, I donít know a single person in my circle of friends, family and acquaintances who has stopped traveling for leisure. In the real world, people are tired of this overreaction and curbing of their freedoms.
Good for them and long may it continue. However you will find that they investigate their destination more, look at options and try and avoid hot spots plus taking the necessary precautions.

If Covid is going to get us all and kill us then i want to enjoy life not sitting waiting for it..
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Old 15th Nov 2020, 11:10
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Originally Posted by The96er
BTW - you seem happy to live within a totalitarian state ! Give me a county that values liberty and the ability to hold our leaders to account any day and where the people are not afraid (for the most part) of the ruling elite.
Ah bless, this is not the UK I see.
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Old 15th Nov 2020, 11:29
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BTW - you seem happy to live within a totalitarian state ! Give me a county that values liberty and the ability to hold our leaders to account any day and where the people are not afraid (for the most part) of the ruling elite.
You mean like America

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Old 19th Nov 2020, 16:11
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Israel, Namibia, Northern Mariana Is, Rwanda, Sri Lanka, St.Eustatius+Saba, Uruguay, US Virgin Islands all come off the naughty list
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Old 19th Nov 2020, 20:29
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Israel, Namibia, Northern Mariana Is, Rwanda, Sri Lanka, St.Eustatius+Saba, Uruguay, US Virgin Islands all come off the naughty list
You have to ask whether some of the remote locations are even worth mentioning as in or out bound to Northern Mariana Islands woudl struggle to fill a telephone box on a weekly basis. However a civil servant was tasked with a job and they did it.
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Old 20th Nov 2020, 18:22
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There is enough noise in the press to suggest that at least 2 vaccines, namely those of Moderna and Pfizer, have a decent chance of making it through regulatory approval in readiness for distribution to the general public by January in multiple countries around the world. While it will be denied, societal pressure will almost certainly influence key medical regulatory decision makers. It seems likely that the Governments of rich countries of the world will throw large resources at administering a vaccine to the masses as quickly as possible. I definitely don't think any country will complete dometic vaccination by 31-Jan-2021, but I expect many of the over 65s and people with health issues to have received a double dose by 31-May-2021 - this will presumably cut death and hospitalisation rates significantly, allowing rich countries to open up their societies significantly again, even though the number of cases in the domestic population may remain high. In effect, we convert the severity of Covid into something more akin to the flu - not trivial, easily spread and still very common in a population but something much less worrisome

I'm wondering if this might then allow a significant expansion of travel corridors where both country A and country B are wealthy and have a high proportion of the elderly already vaccinated. In effect, flying gets restarted not by proving that a person arriving in country A is not infected, but by knowing that the vulnerable people living in country A are not going to become seriously ill or die in large numbers if domestic infected case rates rise. Maybe UK-Austria agree mutual flying earlier but UK-Albania takes rather longer. Of course, short-haul leisure demand will revive much faster than long-haul business

Any thoughts ?
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Old 20th Nov 2020, 18:36
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The first priority will be avoiding pressure on the public health system, after that, kickstarting the economy, but the last priority will be aviation and it’s carbon footprint.
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Old 20th Nov 2020, 18:56
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The first priority will be avoiding pressure on the public health system, after that, kickstarting the economy, but the last priority will be aviation and itís carbon footprint.
Exactly. With a ban on petrol cars coming in less than 10 years, aviation is not going to go all guns blazing out of COVID....
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Old 20th Nov 2020, 19:23
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Exactly. With a ban on petrol cars coming in less than 10 years, aviation is not going to go all guns blazing out of COVID....
Not wishing to be pedantic, the ban will be on the sale of new petrol cars.... but I take your point. Some environmentalists will want to make a meal out of COVID and exploit the "advantages" there have been with less flying.
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Old 20th Nov 2020, 19:35
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There is enough noise in the press to suggest that at least 2 vaccines, namely those of Moderna and Pfizer, have a decent chance of making it through regulatory approval in readiness for distribution to the general public by January in multiple countries around the world. While it will be denied, societal pressure will almost certainly influence key medical regulatory decision makers. It seems likely that the Governments of rich countries of the world will throw large resources at administering a vaccine to the masses as quickly as possible. I definitely don't think any country will complete dometic vaccination by 31-Jan-2021, but I expect many of the over 65s and people with health issues to have received a double dose by 31-May-2021 - this will presumably cut death and hospitalisation rates significantly, allowing rich countries to open up their societies significantly again, even though the number of cases in the domestic population may remain high. In effect, we convert the severity of Covid into something more akin to the flu - not trivial, easily spread and still very common in a population but something much less worrisome

I'm wondering if this might then allow a significant expansion of travel corridors where both country A and country B are wealthy and have a high proportion of the elderly already vaccinated.

Any thoughts ?
This has to be the way forward and I certainly think in Europe and North America this will happen. In APAC Iím less convinced as they seem hell bent on going for the outright elimination strategy which appears impossible to achieve for many years globally.
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Not wishing to be pedantic, the ban will be on the sale of new petrol cars.... but I take your point. Some environmentalists will want to make a meal out of COVID and exploit the "advantages" there have been with less flying.
Apart from Trump I think most of the world has concerns about global warming. From 2023 no gas boilers can be installed in new UK homes, no pure petrol or diesel cars can be sold in 10 years time. I can't see aviation being untouched and allowed to get out of control so I expect taxes to be introduced on aviation fuel for the first time to deter some people from flying so often. Also there is that Covid debt to pay off. I also think a Labour government would be tougher on aviation than this government.

As for Covid, that will be simmering away in the background for years
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Old 20th Nov 2020, 20:23
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This has to be the way forward and I certainly think in Europe and North America this will happen. In APAC Iím less convinced as they seem hell bent on going for the outright elimination strategy which appears impossible to achieve for many years globally.
I don't think there is any one way forward and the societal changes wrought from Covid have not yet been fully realised. There has been a lot of economic and political destabilisation and there is substantially more to come. Millions who have been paid by the Govt for 8 months do not want to return to work.

US I don't forsee them getting a grip on anything over next 4 years as it is massively divided, aside from Biden being elected pretty much down ticket in his party failed. Georgia senate elections are irrelevant as WV Senator will jump ship if it is 50-50 so a log jam. This pretty much means that US Govt will do diddly squat for next 4 years and aviation will take a back seat. Likely be 2022 before (if) travellers return to the US in any numbers.

EU is not in any better state and many countrys will be just holding on with Independence movements getting govts to focus internally rather than externally, Scotland / Northern Ireland / Catalonia / Northern Italy / etc will cause mayhem than distracts from aviation for govts, not to mention Brexit / recessions.

At a time when strong leaders are needed UK has Bojo / US has Biden who is compromised / France has Macron who is a poodle / Germany has Merkel replacement. A demagogue who uses and abuses media is all set.

My gloomy prediction is aviation is in for a rough time for next couple of years and it may not come out of it because history is not what the future follows.
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racedo - having a good day today, are we ?
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racedo - having a good day today, are we ?
Yup

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