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Old 7th Nov 2020, 17:35
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In that case, one assumes that the virus can be passed to and from any animal. So where do we go with this, slaughter all pet dogs and cats - just to be sure !
Don't give the paranoid any more ideas, puhlease
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Old 7th Nov 2020, 17:42
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Originally Posted by inOban
I believe that the evidence is that most people are infected inside houses.

The only thing you can rely on is that people caught it from someone else or something else.
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Don't give the paranoid any more ideas, puhlease
“The Plebeians are beginning to question the narrative. What else do we have in the fear box”
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Originally Posted by racedo
So just round up people and their families, then lock them up on the basis they visited a country. Covid-19 has really brought out the desire of many to emulate the Stasi in East Germany with a glee that even the Stasi would struggle to understand.

Denmark has 1050 cases today to get to 54k cases and its death rate per million is 128 while the UKs is 719 but seems to be lets blame Denmark.
So we do nothing and just hope this new stain doesn’t get in here. Great plan Recedo. In January this year we had no cases and the last thing we need is a new variant which requires a whole new vaccine but then the virus is fake and no worse than a little cold.
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If the UK was to put all people arriving from Denmark into Govt controlled quarantine, I would expect other countries in Europe to be taking similiar actions. AFAIK, neither Sweden nor Germany as Denmark's immediate neighbours are taking special action with regards to the mink cases in Denmark. I cannot see other countries in Europe changing their policy towards travellers from Denmark especially because of the mink farms - ie the UK seems to already be much more strict on this issue than countries in the EU. Other countries in Europe seem content for the Danes to manage the response on the basis that Denmark is relatively transparent (corruption is low) and seems to show determination to get this under control

The UK alone significantly increasing its policy response and imposing a lock-everyone-up policy is unlikely to save the effectiveness of any new vaccine

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Old 7th Nov 2020, 20:08
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So we do nothing and just hope this new stain doesn’t get in here. Great plan Recedo. In January this year we had no cases and the last thing we need is a new variant which requires a whole new vaccine but then the virus is fake and no worse than a little cold.
Can you provide scientific fact that the strain did not start in the UK ?

The virus has a total 2.5% fatality rate on people who have tested positive, down from 3% 2 month ago. Of current case 1% are serious / critical. All the while Aviation and Economies are destroyed.
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Originally Posted by davidjohnson6
If the UK was to put all people arriving from Denmark into Govt controlled quarantine, I would expect other countries in Europe to be taking similiar actions. AFAIK, neither Sweden nor Germany as Denmark's immediate neighbours are taking special action with regards to the mink cases in Denmark. I cannot see other countries in Europe changing their policy towards travellers from Denmark especially because of the mink farms - ie the UK seems to already be much more strict on this issue than countries in the EU. Other countries in Europe seem content for the Danes to manage the response on the basis that the country is relatively transparent and seems to show determination to get this under control

The UK alone significantly increasing its policy response and imposing a lock-everyone-up policy is unlikely to save the effectiveness of any new vaccine
UK has had 1.3 Million cases so relatively easily people could argue that UK residents should be brought to a giant internment game and made to isolate. Thankfully that ridiculous idea will not happen.
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Originally Posted by racedo
Can you provide scientific fact that the strain did not start in the UK ?

The virus has a total 2.5% fatality rate on people who have tested positive, down from 3% 2 month ago. Of current case 1% are serious / critical. All the while Aviation and Economies are destroyed.
Not all economies. China's 3rd quarter GDP +4.9%...
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Airline shares in the UK have soared this morning on news of a Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine breakthrough.
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This may also help too https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...re_article-top
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Airline shares in the UK have soared this morning on news of a Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine breakthrough.
Amazing how the news on Phalanx was released as soon as US Presidential election result was released.
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Politics...Rough init.
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Originally Posted by racedo
Amazing how the news on Phalanx was released as soon as US Presidential election result was released.
Its a nice conspiracy that it was held back to end Trump but in reality Election Day itself was nearly a week ago and the damage was done with postals in the weeks before that.
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Old 9th Nov 2020, 23:27
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It looks like Europe is moving away from a "borders closed" approach and instead moving towards a "you must show a PCR test certificate from the last 72 hours on arrival" approach when entering a country, with the cost of the PCR test borne by the traveller - approx GBP 100 or EUR 110
This might be acceptable to those travelling for an annual 2 week holiday or intending to stay for a month or longer because of work, but maybe less acceptable for those intending to spend only a few days away from home - e.g. business travel or leisure weekend break

Airlines with a strong domestic network (e.g. SAS), reliant on migrant workers (e.g. Wizzair) or beach package holiday centric like TUI will presumably be be less affected but I'm wondering how the likes of Easyjet and Ryanair might be affected - paying an extra GBP 200+ in tests per person for a weekend in (e.g.) Barcelona isn't great. Will this continue to depress air travel demand to a significant extent ?

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Old 9th Nov 2020, 23:48
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Amazing how the news on Phalanx was released as soon as US Presidential election result was released.
Yes, they clearly sat on the news until after the election.

Gosh, it's actually easier than you might think, this evidence-free assertion lark, I think I've got the hang of it now.
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Old 10th Nov 2020, 07:47
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Yes, they clearly sat on the news until after the election.

Gosh, it's actually easier than you might think, this evidence-free assertion lark, I think I've got the hang of it now.
I think that actually that view, being peddled by the "Orange One" and his cohorts is more of an unfounded conspiracy theory. Supposing that Pfizer did make a conscious decision to delay an announcement on this vaccine, then this just serves to illustrate just how bad relationships were between the top in the USA and the pharmaceutical industry with whom the President should have been closely working. it would be a damning indictment not of the company, but of US leadership.

Personally, though, I don't buy it.
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Old 10th Nov 2020, 07:55
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https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.d...-election.html
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Old 10th Nov 2020, 08:14
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Nothing but the usual tirade of unfounded allegations and lies from the (soon to be) former leader of the USA.

Turning back to the impact on air travel, the euphoria on the stock market and in the media is presently quite unjustified. Sure it a a glimmer of light at the end of the tunnel, however the (only) vaccine has yet to get regulatory approval, and the population sectors most likely to travel for leisure will be way down the pecking order for getting vaccinated when vaccines eventually start being rolled out. When the hangover kicks in after yesterdays party watch the travel stocks head south again on the markets, as realisation kicks in that there may as a result be a partial recovery in travel next year, it won't be back to business as usual for a couple of seasons.
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Interestingly, Pfizer's CEO has stated that he didn't seek Government funding because "it always comes with strings attached" and he wanted to give his scientists free rein. Sounds like a victory for free enterprise.
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First past the post doesn't mean we have the winner. It just means they reported first.

Those that take the vaccine should be given a passport back to a normal life while those that refuse should not until enough have been vaccinated to ensure heard immunity .
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