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Old 31st Oct 2020, 14:42
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When people saw politicians doing what they like along with celebs and zero happening they took the view of WTF should I follow the rules when everybody else doesn't.
People do but they insist that those making the rules also follow them. When they don't people take the FU option on rules and apply their own.

That's a cop out to just do what you want and not what you know is right. As my Mum would say, if "Dominic put his hand in the fire, would you?"
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Old 31st Oct 2020, 15:37
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I think the impending lockdown will be the final straw for some UK airports and maybe airlines
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Old 31st Oct 2020, 15:49
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Originally Posted by TimmyW View Post
I think the impending lockdown will be the final straw for some UK airports and maybe airlines
I'm not so sure, I think most airlines/airports have now already written of the winter schedule and for the most part secured financing through the end of March. If we're still in this position then, which looks increasingly likley that we will, then that's when we'll start to see the [email protected]#t really hit the fan.
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Old 31st Oct 2020, 15:50
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According to Robert Peston "4) Outbound international travel will be banned, except for work. 5) Travel within the UK will be discouraged, except for work. 6) Overnight stays away from home will be allowed only for work purposes...". Restrictions to last until the 2nd December.
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I presume that these restrictions will apply only to England but await the details.

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Old 31st Oct 2020, 16:08
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I'm not so sure, I think most airlines/airports have now already written of the winter schedule and for the most part secured financing through the end of March. If we're still in this position then, which looks increasingly likley that we will, then that's when we'll start to see the [email protected]#t really hit the fan.
I fear summer 2021 will be much like this year.

Even if there is a vaccine, it isn't going to be rolled out across Europe and the world to have such an effect that international travel can return to normal.

How does any airport or airline survive that?
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Old 31st Oct 2020, 16:38
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So Scotland, which isn’t in national lockdown, doesn’t want people flying to and from England, or using a car or train for that manner.

So what happens when we reach the end of lockdown in England? The best we can hope for is the rule of 6 for Christmas Day but who will follow that rule seeing that rule never worked and then after Christmas we can look forward to a third wave and a third lockdown.

So what does this mean for air travel over the next month? The most successful countries are those with indefinite closed borders so that means no holidays abroad for the foreseeable future.

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Old 31st Oct 2020, 17:13
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From the Telegraph

Holidaymakers will soon be required to present a negative Covid-19 test upon entering the Canary Islands, it has been confirmed.

As of November 10, the ruling states that all tourists over the age of six – from other parts of Spain or other countries – must take a PCR or antibody test, at their own expense, 48 to 72 hours before travelling or on arrival, to be able to stay in the Canaries.

Without a negative result they can be denied access to their accommodation. Anyone who turns up at their hotel, villa or apartment without this will be sent to a testing centre.

These new restrictions leave British holidaymakers with only three countries that require no mandatory test upon entry, or a 14-day quarantine sentence upon return: Gibraltar, Greece and Sweden.

It comes amid curbs on international travel across Europe, as countries including France and Germany enter new national lockdowns; and heavy speculation that Boris Johnson will follow suit next week.
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Old 31st Oct 2020, 17:21
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From the Telegraph

Holidaymakers will soon be required to present a negative Covid-19 test upon entering the Canary Islands, it has been confirmed.

As of November 10, the ruling states that all tourists over the age of six – from other parts of Spain or other countries – must take a PCR or antibody test, at their own expense, 48 to 72 hours before travelling or on arrival, to be able to stay in the Canaries.

Without a negative result they can be denied access to their accommodation. Anyone who turns up at their hotel, villa or apartment without this will be sent to a testing centre.

These new restrictions leave British holidaymakers with only three countries that require no mandatory test upon entry, or a 14-day quarantine sentence upon return: Gibraltar, Greece and Sweden.

It comes amid curbs on international travel across Europe, as countries including France and Germany enter new national lockdowns; and heavy speculation that Boris Johnson will follow suit next week.
I think this is absolutely the right decision. Hopefully this will prevent the virus running out of control in the Canaries as flights begin to pick up again (for now).
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Old 31st Oct 2020, 17:39
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The SNP person is a Westminster MP. She was immediately expelled from the party. There is nothing else that Ms Sturgeon can do unless there is a recall petition.
Which is correct because when you get to the stage of someone getting chucked out of parliment for doing something stupid, give it time and people would find spurious reasons so others could be chucked out of parliment.

Voters vote for someone and get a chance every 5 years to redo it.
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Old 31st Oct 2020, 17:42
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Lax rules on summer foreign travel has caused many of our problems.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...uk-cases-study

A study suggesting a coronavirus variant originating in Spain now accounts for most UK cases has highlighted the weakness of the government’s travel policies over the summer, experts have said.
The variant appeared in the UK in the middle of July when quarantine-free travel to Spain was allowed for England, Wales, and Northern Ireland. However, the new variant of the virus is now common in countries across Europe, meaning travellers to and from many countries could since have brought it back to the UK.
So who would have supported a summer travel ban?
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Old 31st Oct 2020, 17:44
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That's a cop out to just do what you want and not what you know is right. As my Mum would say, if "Dominic put his hand in the fire, would you?"

What is right ?
Wearing of masks .................... when Covid was killing thousands a week it was deemed they were unnecessary as gave zero protection, now all of a sudden we need them everywhere. Yet the Danish study that showed them to be of little benefit gets refused publication.

I trust my judgement better than I do of a bureaucrat who refuses to adhere to his own rules. Especially when said bureaucrat caught Covid and infected others.
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Old 31st Oct 2020, 17:45
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The Telegraph is being economic with the truth. The test is required if staying at regulated accommodation (Hotel or other tourist establishment) and doesn't affect anyone staying at their own residence whether it be a own villa or apartment. As this is a Regional rule rather than National it will not be policed at the airport.
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Old 31st Oct 2020, 17:58
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I fear summer 2021 will be much like this year.

Even if there is a vaccine, it isn't going to be rolled out across Europe and the world to have such an effect that international travel can return to normal.

How does any airport or airline survive that?
In a normal market they would not but the issue now in contagion, banks which were supported by taxpayer 2008 can say we will close this down BUT immediate impact is that everybody else will follow the herd mentality. Airport assets are worth nothing now because they have little or no source of income and there will not be willing buyers.

Even the Hedge / Vulture funds will stay away because lets for examply the owners of Heatwick could no longer pay back any debt and scum bank / vulture fund foreclosed. Appoint over paid directors and then dismiss all directly employed workers and say you can have a job at 50% of salary. Some staff would stay because desperate but in that situation would you as a passenger want to trust going through an airport when staff fired and rehired, previous length of service is gone and everything cut so the owners could make millions.

I see this as one where banks and hedge funds get told to STFU and wait it out as their actions could bring the whole ponzi scheme crashing down. Badly run businesses will fail as they woul have failed eventually but there is no stomach for Vulture funds making billions (at the moment).
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Old 31st Oct 2020, 18:00
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What is right ?
Wearing of masks .................... when Covid was killing thousands a week it was deemed they were unnecessary as gave zero protection, now all of a sudden we need them everywhere. Yet the Danish study that showed them to be of little benefit gets refused publication.
You need to follow Dr John Campbell daily on Youtube rather than spouting conspiracy theories. Everything he says is based on scientific papers, which he links to. Wearing a mask dilutes the viral load of those with the virus as they breath out the virus. For those without the virus they get an even smaller viral load as the mask offers them some limited protection. A reduced viral load will not stop the virus spreading but can reduce the severity of the infection as the body has less viral load to fight.

Also we should all be taking vitamin D and zinc supplements as that helps the immune system fight infections. Follow that advice could save your life.
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Old 31st Oct 2020, 18:06
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You need to follow Dr John Campbell daily on Youtube rather than spouting conspiracy theories. Everything he says is based on scientific papers, which he links to. Wearing a mask dilutes the viral load of those with the virus as they breath out the virus. For those without the virus they get an even smaller viral load as the mask offers them some limited protection. A reduced viral load will not stop the virus spreading but can reduce the severity of the infection as the body has less viral load to fight.

Also we should all be taking vitamin D and zinc supplements as that helps the immune system.
That is the great thing about the web, people will only link to something which espouses and agrees with their viewpoint, evidenced on here all the time. If Dr John was so great then why is he not up there in UK Govt helping them out.
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Old 31st Oct 2020, 18:08
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Originally Posted by Playamar2 View Post
The Telegraph is being economic with the truth. The test is required if staying at regulated accommodation (Hotel or other tourist establishment) and doesn't affect anyone staying at their own residence whether it be a own villa or apartment. As this is a Regional rule rather than National it will not be policed at the airport.
I would not make that assumption as during the summer people were being temperature tested in Canary Island airports on arrival.
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Old 31st Oct 2020, 18:14
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That is the great thing about the web, people will only link to something which espouses and agrees with their viewpoint, evidenced on here all the time. If Dr John was so great then why is he not up there in UK Govt helping them out.
I suggest you watch an episode or two and then come back and report here as you are now coming across as ignorant. He has no agenda unlike you.

Maybe start here
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Old 31st Oct 2020, 19:11
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So just to confirm, is non-essential international travel now banned for England? That’s what I’m reading but not entirely clear.
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Old 31st Oct 2020, 19:17
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From the BBC:

'Stay at home' from Thursday, says Johnson

"Now is the time to take action because there is no alternative," the PM says.

He says from Thursday people in England "must stay at home".

Johnson outlines the measures that he says will last until the start of December.

And he lists some of the exceptions for which people can leave their homes, including:
  • for education
  • for work, if you cannot work from home
  • for exercise and recreation outdoors
  • for medical reasons
  • to shop for food and essentials
  • to care for others
I'd take that as a 'yes'.
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Old 31st Oct 2020, 19:18
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The likes of TUI/Jet2 will now be wishing they hadn’t bothered with the Canaries as they’ll now have to fly out empty for a week or two to bring people home...
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