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Old 20th Oct 2020, 20:25
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Originally Posted by Playamar2
JCVI produced a list of who would qualify for the vaccination. This is the provisional order.
1. Over 80 plus health & care home workers and high risk over 65
2. Over 75
3. Over 70
4. Over 65
5. High & moderate risk under 65
6. Over 60
7. Over 55
8. Over 50
9. Rest of population
The UK has ordered 100 million doses from AstraZeneca/jJenner Institute Oxford Uni so there should be enough to go around (UK population 68 million). They have also ordered 30 million form Pfizer, 60 million from Sanofi/GSK and 60 million from Novavax. Per head of population the UK has ordered more than any other country - hedging their bets that at least one vaccine will come through.

As I am not in the first 3 groups I would take the vaccine when offered as some countries may bar entry to non vaccinated visitors or you have to go into quarantine.
Question that will get asked is why groups 1-3 (excluding healthcare workers etc) are deemed priority V people working and contributing to the economy. Sorry but this will get asked as if 1-3 are priority and the lower numbers start dying then whose output will be there to contribute to the taxes to pay for groups 1-3.

Of course excluding healthcare essential workers in 1-3 if many of these people died then perhaps Govt may look on it as not necessarily a bad thing. How much they would save from Pension / Healthcare and inheritance of peoples assets.

I don't think yet we have many politicians who think of the 2 points above but you can be pretty sure there are some that do.
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Old 20th Oct 2020, 22:21
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Racedo has misread the context of the very specific & legal pronouncement & warning by Cornwall Council`s Head of Finance in this instance.

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Old 21st Oct 2020, 04:23
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By the way, the group 'healthcare workers' should include all Key Workers. So that means Police and similar, as well as all who work in the funeral trades.
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Originally Posted by racedo
Some see a vaccine as a panacea for everything, quite happy for these people to be first in line as "testers". I will wait a couple of years.
And if everyone had the same view what would that do to the future of aviation and the length of time the virus will be with us and that will continue to grow without complete lockdowns every few months.

Seems you and others here are willing to sacrifice the industry and fear the vaccine more than the virus, yet it is the virus that has devastated lives for those that have not even caught it.

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Old 21st Oct 2020, 11:47
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Originally Posted by southside bobby
Racedo has misread the context of the very specific & legal pronouncement & warning by Cornwall Council`s Head of Finance in this instance.
Council have stated that Aiport cannot borrow money on it's own as not viable, which mean zero way of being able to repay anything. Govt offered a loan nothing else. Bottom line is council cannot bail out airport long term if aviation continues as is. There is nobody that will continue supplying services to the airport now unless CCC provide a parental guarantee.
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Old 21st Oct 2020, 11:50
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And if everyone had the same view what would that do to the future of aviation and the length of time the virus will be with us and that will continue to grow without complete lockdowns every few months.

Seems you and others here are willing to sacrifice the industry and fear the vaccine more than the virus, yet it is the virus that has devastated lives for those that have not even caught it.
If everybody gets virus then what ? You are assumming vaccine is a panacea that ends it all, how is common cold immunity going ? Learning to live with it is the reality.
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If everybody gets virus then what ? You are assumming vaccine is a panacea that ends it all, how is common cold immunity going ? Learning to live with it is the reality.

Easily said by those not in the high risk group, of which there are many (and not just the aged). The mortality rate of the common cold versus Covid is somewhat different!
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Old 21st Oct 2020, 16:56
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Originally Posted by racedo
If everybody gets virus then what ? You are assumming vaccine is a panacea that ends it all, how is common cold immunity going ? Learning to live with it is the reality.
Which means aviation is dead as most people have yet to be exposed to the virus. I can’t see governments saying just carry on and people just resume their foreign travels without hindrance.
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Old 21st Oct 2020, 17:25
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Anyone want to make a guess as to the additions to the UK's naughty step for tomorrow ? I'm looking at Cyprus and Sweden, but wonder what others think
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Old 21st Oct 2020, 21:03
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Which means aviation is dead as most people have yet to be exposed to the virus. I canít see governments saying just carry on and people just resume their foreign travels without hindrance.
Based on what facts ? Collegaues both had the virus in March and were out for weeks. Neither have been tested when they were ill. Death rate from those who have tested positive is 2.7% worldwide. (1,133,000 / 41,366,000).

Nobody know how many people have been exposed.
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What odds on Grant Shapps giving the green light to half term holidays in the Canary Islands tomorrow? Slim to anorexic I know, but the latest figures put 4/7 below the government's threshold, with Gran Canaria far below some still on the 'green' list. Tenerife looks a no go, even though the majority of their recent cases are in Santa Cruz, far from the tourist resorts.

Tenerife: 53.50
El Hierro: 36.47
Gran Canaria: 26.43
Lanzarote: 18.39
Fuerteventura: 16.26
La Palma: 4.84
La Gomera: 4.65
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Old 21st Oct 2020, 22:46
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Originally Posted by racedo
Based on what facts ? Collegaues both had the virus in March and were out for weeks. Neither have been tested when they were ill. Death rate from those who have tested positive is 2.7% worldwide. (1,133,000 / 41,366,000).
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and you donít want to take a vaccine for a couple of years.
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Old 21st Oct 2020, 23:03
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The WHO estimate that around 10% of the world's population have had covid. So that's circa 740 million worldwide vs 1.13m comfirmed deaths.

Makes the percentages look a little different doesn't it.
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Old 22nd Oct 2020, 00:18
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If you're using estimates of the number of people who have had Covid19, then you must use estimates of the number of deaths, and that number in many developing countries is several times the number of confirmed Covid19 deaths. Even in the USA the number of excess deaths is, I think I read today, at least 50% higher than the number of confirmed deaths.
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Old 22nd Oct 2020, 10:35
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From Saturday morning, Germany will consider all of the UK to be a high risk area - not just some regions. IoM and Channel Islands will still be deemed low risk

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Old 22nd Oct 2020, 11:01
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Originally Posted by davidjohnson6
From Saturday morning, Germany will consider all of the UK to be a high risk area - not just some regions. IoM and Channel Islands will still be deemed low risk
Technically the IOM and Channel Islands are not in the UK but are part of the British Isles. An air-bridge exists between the IOM and Guernsey, not Jersey. The Bailiwick of Guernsey (which covers all the islands except Jersey) has virtually no cases of coronavirus. The Bailiwick of Jersey has had a more open border policy and as a consequence has more cases. However the number of cases in Jersey remains low so Germany is likely to continue regarding Jersey as a non-high risk area.
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Old 22nd Oct 2020, 17:09
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Vokes55 - you should have placed a bet on the Canaries, removed from quarantine as from this Sunday.
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Old 22nd Oct 2020, 17:15
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Pleasantly surprised they all got the green light. I expected Lanzarote and Fuerteventura but not the whole lot. Seems some common sense is finally breaking through.

Gives some companies a fighting chance of some revenue throughout the Winter. Still waiting for Egypt to be added - or at least Sharm el Sheikh, which is essentially an island given the occupation of North Sinai
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Old 22nd Oct 2020, 19:24
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Who thinks the Canaries will go back on to the naughty list once infectious Brits start to arrive.
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Considering they can barely fly anywhere else, would it be the worst decision in the world for an airline live Virgin reacting to this decision to put on a few 787s down to TFS / ACE to meet some pent up demand?
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