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Old 30th Jun 2014, 15:07
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The96er i know how they negotiations work especialy at Menzies as i use to work for them, i spent 10 years at MAN first with RHS then Globe Ground/Servisair and then Menzies......
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Old 30th Jun 2014, 16:33
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Cool

Originally Posted by kjsharg
Handling?

I know they self handle in LHR would be good if they did in manchester but doubt it as it's starting at 4x weekly?

Everything in T2 at the moment is swissport would be nice to see another handling agent over there
I presume you are talking pax services/check in, to my knowledge there will be 1 airport manager 1 manager on duty and 1 PSO (they are the advertised (positions), the check in staff will be contracted, no idea who.
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Old 30th Jun 2014, 21:30
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Vueling look to be adding MAN-BCN, as the option has appeared on the vueling site in the past few hours, but no flights bookable yet.

Given no footy fixtures have been announced, we can discount any charter flights for that.

Looks like the BCN route is about to get busy! I suppose with Ryanair, Monarch and Jet2 flying into one of Vuelings main bases, it was only a matter of time before they reacted.
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Old 30th Jun 2014, 22:07
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'Manchester International' has been in the Vueling booking engine for over a week but no schedules were there ...
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Old 30th Jun 2014, 22:14
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Ah, I looked yesterday for a Cardiff flight and MAN was not avilable then?

Still, could be interesting as its only been added recently and there are no football charters due, which is why they have used MAN in the past.

The fact it is down as 'Manchester International Airport' rather than just 'Manchester' like their other destinations signifies that the MAN addition is still a work in progress.
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Old 1st Jul 2014, 00:57
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Hopefully fingers crossed for Vueling as hopefully they may expand further like they have done at Cardiff to places such as Florence, Rome etc where they have bases.

Also looks like Norwegian may be looking at long haul from Dublin to Bangkok:

Norwegian's Irish subsidiary mulls Dublin - Bangkok in 2015 - ch-aviation.com
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Old 1st Jul 2014, 03:44
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Thats fab, how would I go about applying for PSO? Will it be done through the recruitment place same as LHR or direct through Cathay?

Any idea when recruitment will start?

Many thanks again!
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Old 1st Jul 2014, 05:59
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As there has not exactly been a deluge of comment /information from Turtle Towers.....

I think Lax suggested catchment area of Manchester is larger than Dublin therefore would the proposed Ethiopian service to Los Angeles via Dublin have have not been a market that MAG would have chased, (...maybe they did) ?

Same applies to Bangkok re Norwegian !

Don't wish to be greedy but "if" there is the merest hint they might work Ex Dublin surely they would be a banker for Manchester ?

Should somebody get on the phones before deals are finalised or is that too radical ?

Re Rouge given the large number of flights into LHR via Air Canada , is it possible some pax were given the oprion of rtg direct?

On a theme did anybody actually see any marketing of this service last 4 months ? Apparently it was extensive !

Loads on Facebook/twitter re launch last week BUT personally I didn't see anything in that crucial pre booking stage prior to start up.

Did this and others not need same momentum as Cathay ?

The tedium is alive and well....
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Old 1st Jul 2014, 08:17
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Heres something to break the tedium

This weekends fly-in in relation to the below event. All aircraft parking next to the Runway visitor park.

TAS Festival


MANCHESTER AIRPORT AVIATION and TRANSPORT FESTIVAL & No. 613 SQUADRON 75TH ANNIVERSARY EVENT
Saturday 5th July - all times Local

(1300) (Spitfire replica)
1300 Luscombe Silvair
1315 Cessna Airmaster
1330 Miles Gemini
1345 DH Chipmunk
1400 Moraine-Saulnier MS.317

Up to 20 different hot air balloons will be tethered in the rear field of the RVP 09.00hrs - 17.00hrs on Saturday and Sunday.

Sunday 6th July – all times Local

(1300) (Spitfire replica)
1300 Feisler Storch
1315 Stearman
1330 DH Tiger Moth
1345 Jungmann pair
1430 Dakota multiple flypast
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Old 1st Jul 2014, 09:17
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I think Lax suggested catchment area of Manchester is larger than Dublin therefore would the proposed Ethiopian service to Los Angeles via Dublin have have not been a market that MAG would have chased
Bagso,

I don't think we can begrudge DUB of this Ethiopian service. The ADD-LAX flight is a long one, and has to stop somewhere. So, as DUB has pre-clearance, why not stop there? May as well get the customs formalities out of the way while the aircraft is sat there being re-filled, so market size aside, DUB makes sense for this one.
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Old 1st Jul 2014, 09:41
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Would be surprised if O&D between MAN and LAX is larger than DUB. Anybody have MAN estimates?
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Old 1st Jul 2014, 09:54
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I believe MAG's estimate of the O&D demand between MAN and LAX is around 80,000. I think this uses a 2 hour drive time as the definition of MAN's catchment.
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Old 1st Jul 2014, 09:55
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Out to DUS with Lufthansa yesterday morning. How long has this been on the A319?

Also watching the activity on the apron around 7.15 or so, the place was incredibly busy and in my opinion, the issues around the airfield layout were truly exposed. I can't imagine what pilots must think - it must be one of the most difficult aprons to negotiate around in Europe.
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Old 1st Jul 2014, 10:19
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All names taken,

MAN-DUS is seeing a fair few A319's and A320's all summer on various flights. Family member got an A320 on Sunday evening.
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Old 1st Jul 2014, 10:49
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TS-IEG Syphax A319 on approach operating as TAP324 from Lisbon! Odd combination.
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Old 1st Jul 2014, 10:50
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@LAX_LHR any word on the new long haul route you had the inside information on?
Handling in place, Midlands link etc etc ? Keen to know more. Do we have a start date?
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Originally Posted by kjsharg
Thats fab, how would I go about applying for PSO? Will it be done through the recruitment place same as LHR or direct through Cathay?

Any idea when recruitment will start?

Many thanks again!
Internal recruitment has already started, not external as yet.
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Old 1st Jul 2014, 12:02
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I believe MAG's estimate of the O&D demand between MAN and LAX is around 80,000. I think this uses a 2 hour drive time as the definition of MAN's catchment.
Thanks BB.

Both more less the same.
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Old 1st Jul 2014, 12:30
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Re. MAN-LAX

We were given some figures at a meeting I attended last year of unserved and underserved routes from MAN. These included pax who flew from/to MAN via another hub and those who didn't use MAN but were from within the 2 hour catchment criteria. The latter were classsified as leakage to London airports, so may not have included pax from say LBA going via AMS or say from BHX via DUB.

Afraid I don't recall the actual numbers but what was rather surprising, to me at least, was that SFO was about 5th in the list of unserved and underserved routes and LAX didn't make the top 10. New York was the highest followed by Bangkok and Hong Kong I think.

Of course, the 2 hour catchment is a bit misleading as passengers within that area from the Midlands may well prefer to fly from LHR to New York for example with the vast frequency of flights and choice of airlines.
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Old 1st Jul 2014, 14:03
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Yes, I've also seen that chart. And it does include passengers going on indirect routings such as LBA-AMS-XXX.

As you say, SFO has much higher O&D demand than LAX. I suppose that LAX also suffers from it not really being on the way to anywhere, limiting ongoing connections. There is Hawaii and, at a push, Australasia (but lots of competition to Oz/NZ). So I wouldn't put it high on the list of potential new routes ex-MAN.

I agree with your comments about the crudeness of defining catchment on the basis of 2-hr drivetime. You really need to factor in competition. You'd have to be a serious LHR-hater (or MAN-lover) to choose to travel from, say, Warwick to MAN to pick up a once-daily (or less) service to, say, LAX, as opposed to the multiple dailies out of LHR.
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