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Re saudia I find it incredible and exasperating that it takes lobbying from sheffield based MPs councillors to assist in gaining a new routes from Manchester 45mins away. All power to them.
Cynically speaking from experience.
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Given the explosion of new services at Manchester why oh why were MAG not more vociferous in terms of supporting Manchester at The Davies commission.
Re MAG i don't get the unequivocal strategic support of Stansted compared to the lukewarm support of Manchester.
Where were they expecting growth to come from down there, is it really airlines at Lhr or lgw?
Utter reliance on RYR seems folly and and the recent deal smacks of desperation , and in truth contradicts the implication given at the enquiry that STN could become a major long haul hub.
Have they in effect played their hand ?
Which airline CEO in their right mind is likely to contemplate for more than a few seconds diluting service at Heathrow in order to move to Fortress Ryanair, Essex ?
What is in MAGs thinking or indeed the Australian backers that suggested an avalanche from elsewhere?
Re MAG i don't get the unequivocal strategic support of Stansted compared to the lukewarm support of Manchester.
Where were they expecting growth to come from down there, is it really airlines at Lhr or lgw?
Utter reliance on RYR seems folly and and the recent deal smacks of desperation , and in truth contradicts the implication given at the enquiry that STN could become a major long haul hub.
Have they in effect played their hand ?
Which airline CEO in their right mind is likely to contemplate for more than a few seconds diluting service at Heathrow in order to move to Fortress Ryanair, Essex ?
What is in MAGs thinking or indeed the Australian backers that suggested an avalanche from elsewhere?
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If you are flying an aircraft into Manchester Airport tomorrow morning (23rd), be sure to plan for a comfortable amount of holding fuel. Between 05:30 - 11:30Z there are sixteen additional inbound ATM's listed in association with European football matches. There may also be executive traffic (I haven't seen a list for these). A full regular flight schedule is expected as well, and the weather forecast is for heavy rain and a brisk wind. If you don't fancy an unplanned refuelling pitstop at LPL, EMA, LBA etc ... make some allowances.
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Given the explosion of new services at Manchester why oh why were MAG not more vociferous in terms of supporting Manchester at The Davies commission.
Re MAG i don't get the unequivocal strategic support of Stansted compared to the lukewarm support of Manchester.
Re MAG i don't get the unequivocal strategic support of Stansted compared to the lukewarm support of Manchester.
Probably the clue here is that Stansted is part of the London city airport system (135 million passengers each year) and Manchester (20 million) is not.
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Theoretically I agree..but you are being selective.
I repeat who is going to move to an airport dominated by the largest loco in the World?
And if MAG were so confident in the demand why give away so much in low cost fees.
By all means enlighten us as to what the catalyst will be that will make a raft of airlines movet there.
I repeat who is going to move to an airport dominated by the largest loco in the World?
And if MAG were so confident in the demand why give away so much in low cost fees.
By all means enlighten us as to what the catalyst will be that will make a raft of airlines movet there.
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According to ACL slots:
-Freebird have full winter series of flights to Antalya at 2 per week
-Germania run a series of cruise charters to Bergen and Tromso.
-EK21/22 reverts to 2 class B77W for increase of seats
Nothing else noteworthy to report.
-Freebird have full winter series of flights to Antalya at 2 per week
-Germania run a series of cruise charters to Bergen and Tromso.
-EK21/22 reverts to 2 class B77W for increase of seats
Nothing else noteworthy to report.
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LAX-LHR
The EK21/22 is already quite often a 2 class sub.
I've just received notification of an involuntary downgrade to J on a 21 rotation in early NOV. Outbound 22 later this week still showing as 3 class......(wonder if it will stay that way)
Emirates really do need to look at introducing a sub-fleet of 777-300ER's with say just 4 F seats, instead of the 8 private suites or 12 lie flats for flights where there is some F demand, but not enough to fill the existing options.
The 17/18 and 19/20 flights are often full in F, but the 21/22 with its much more limited connectivity is often near on empty in F.
The EK21/22 is already quite often a 2 class sub.
I've just received notification of an involuntary downgrade to J on a 21 rotation in early NOV. Outbound 22 later this week still showing as 3 class......(wonder if it will stay that way)
Emirates really do need to look at introducing a sub-fleet of 777-300ER's with say just 4 F seats, instead of the 8 private suites or 12 lie flats for flights where there is some F demand, but not enough to fill the existing options.
The 17/18 and 19/20 flights are often full in F, but the 21/22 with its much more limited connectivity is often near on empty in F.
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Will be very disappointed if EK21/22 is downgraded to a 2 class as this is my preferred flight in both directions and the occasional op up to F or use of miles to upgrade is nice.
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Given the explosion of new services at Manchester why oh why were MAG not more vociferous in terms of supporting Manchester at The Davies commission.
Re MAG i don't get the unequivocal strategic support of Stansted compared to the lukewarm support of Manchester.
Re MAG i don't get the unequivocal strategic support of Stansted compared to the lukewarm support of Manchester.
Probably the clue here is that Stansted is part of the London city airport system (135 million passengers each year) and Manchester (20 million) is not.
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Will be very disappointed if EK21/22 is downgraded to a 2 class as this is my
preferred flight in both directions and the occasional op up to F or use of
miles to upgrade is nice.
preferred flight in both directions and the occasional op up to F or use of
miles to upgrade is nice.
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PIA at Manchester
Hey all, can someone sense check this for me? I have PIA only operating twice weekly transatlantic, westbound only on PK711 KHI-LHE-MAN-JFK on Sat and PK721 KHI-LHE-MAN-JFK on Tue.
Is that all the transit stops nowadays?
Thanks!
Is that all the transit stops nowadays?
Thanks!
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That is all the transit nowdays.
Toronto operates direct both ways as it does not need the additional security check.
The plan to move the JFK flights to Shannon has been scrapped for the time being and the stop remains at MAN.
Apparently the LHE/KHI-MAN-JFK flights will switch to the B77W again for the summer.
Toronto operates direct both ways as it does not need the additional security check.
The plan to move the JFK flights to Shannon has been scrapped for the time being and the stop remains at MAN.
Apparently the LHE/KHI-MAN-JFK flights will switch to the B77W again for the summer.
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Your missing the points chaps.
I am simply saying as did the esteemed analysts at CAPA that it seems odd to so vociferously argue the case of one airport over another when you own both. By all means support STN but not totally at the expense of Manchester....
I am simply saying as did the esteemed analysts at CAPA that it seems odd to so vociferously argue the case of one airport over another when you own both. By all means support STN but not totally at the expense of Manchester....
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Car Parks
At a meeting of the planning committee at Manchester Town Hall this afternoon, Manchester City Council awarded planning permission for the construction of a 9000 space car park consuming a large area of working farmland in Moss Nook. The vote was 8 - 5 in favour of MAG's application. For those familiar with the area, the fields concerned are bounded by Ringway Road, Shadow Moss Road, Trenchard Drive, Styal Road and Simonsway.
As one would expect, local residents are deeply unhappy about the decision. They have been reasonable throughout, acknowledging Manchester Airport's need for car parks, but urging a solution in the form of a deep 'n high multi-storey car park built as part of the Airport City project. Most residents close to the airport are not mindless NIMBY's; many work at the airport, almost all were aware of what an expanding airport means. Quite afew are aviation enthusiasts. Many were supportive of terminal expansions, the second runway and more recently the Airport City project. The big difference in this case is that there was always a viable alternative to concreting over vast tracts of farmland: building large capacity centrally located multi-storeys. They can build them pretty deep these days as well as high. Sadly, such suggestions are inadmissable at a planning hearing where only the application submitted can be discussed.
In the context of financing a major international airport, the funds required for constructing a multi-storey car park (over and above the cost of the green-field project) is modest. Perhaps MAG really doesn't have enough money ... we all remember the 'bargain' price tag for Stansted!
MAG has secured a modest financial saving by opting to concrete over neighbouring farmland rather than building a multi-storey car park at Airport City. But there is a price beyond the pure financial. Any credibility MAG has built up in portraying itself as an environmentally responsible green enterprise is irrevocably blown away. Any suggestion to the contrary will be the subject of raucous ridicule for years to come. And as for their 'Good Neighbour Policy' ... wow, they'll have to chuck millions around if they ever want that brought back from the dead. Stitching up hundreds of their near neighbours and destroying years of "green" credentials come with a financial price tag too.
Well done, MAG. With the Stansted debacle and now this you're really on a tear!
As one would expect, local residents are deeply unhappy about the decision. They have been reasonable throughout, acknowledging Manchester Airport's need for car parks, but urging a solution in the form of a deep 'n high multi-storey car park built as part of the Airport City project. Most residents close to the airport are not mindless NIMBY's; many work at the airport, almost all were aware of what an expanding airport means. Quite afew are aviation enthusiasts. Many were supportive of terminal expansions, the second runway and more recently the Airport City project. The big difference in this case is that there was always a viable alternative to concreting over vast tracts of farmland: building large capacity centrally located multi-storeys. They can build them pretty deep these days as well as high. Sadly, such suggestions are inadmissable at a planning hearing where only the application submitted can be discussed.
In the context of financing a major international airport, the funds required for constructing a multi-storey car park (over and above the cost of the green-field project) is modest. Perhaps MAG really doesn't have enough money ... we all remember the 'bargain' price tag for Stansted!
MAG has secured a modest financial saving by opting to concrete over neighbouring farmland rather than building a multi-storey car park at Airport City. But there is a price beyond the pure financial. Any credibility MAG has built up in portraying itself as an environmentally responsible green enterprise is irrevocably blown away. Any suggestion to the contrary will be the subject of raucous ridicule for years to come. And as for their 'Good Neighbour Policy' ... wow, they'll have to chuck millions around if they ever want that brought back from the dead. Stitching up hundreds of their near neighbours and destroying years of "green" credentials come with a financial price tag too.
Well done, MAG. With the Stansted debacle and now this you're really on a tear!