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Diversions
One could say that there should be a certain quid pro quo within the industry to accept as well as to expect receipt elsewhere of diverted flights when circumstances dictate. This however requires the support of many stakeholders, not just the airport operators.
I think it is a measure of an airport's maturity when inbound diversions cease to be a big deal and a notable business consideration. I can't imagine that anyone at Heathrow gets excited about them. Manchester should have passed that point some years ago, even if not all of its aficionados have got there yet.
I think it is a measure of an airport's maturity when inbound diversions cease to be a big deal and a notable business consideration. I can't imagine that anyone at Heathrow gets excited about them. Manchester should have passed that point some years ago, even if not all of its aficionados have got there yet.
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Air Canada Rouge
Surprised not a single post yesterday about a new (reincarnated) long-haul route that has started. I know it has been covered in earlier posts after the announcement but I assumed there would a bit more coverage on here.
Manchester Airport Air Canada Rouge Toronto flight: Airport boost as non-stop Toronto flight from Manchester takes off - Manchester Evening News
The only surprise is the end date of 13 September - I assume "testing the water" before plunging in?
Any hint of it returning next year?
Pete
Manchester Airport Air Canada Rouge Toronto flight: Airport boost as non-stop Toronto flight from Manchester takes off - Manchester Evening News
The only surprise is the end date of 13 September - I assume "testing the water" before plunging in?
Any hint of it returning next year?
Pete
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I do hope Bagso continues to post. His enthusiasm for MAN would be sorely missed. And he never tries to belittle others whose views he doesn't agree with, unlike certain frequent posters on this thread....
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There's one major handling agent at MAN who are really struggling at the moment. Anybody 'in the know' will know who and what I'm on about, but dumping a load of diverts on top of their scheduled flights would cause chaos. Well done to MAG for refusing anything and potentially causing a lot of bad PR 
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Think Rouge did a similar thing on their launch at EDI. Minor tweekings but schedule remained the same for the second year which was surprising although the aircraft config increased to pack em' in in economy. Air Transat appear to be unaffected which should be the same at MAN.
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Quoting 750XL
"There's one major handling agent at MAN who are really struggling at the moment"
My impression is that this is not a new situation. Shouldn't the agent's airline customers, the airport and handling agent management be doing something to sort the problem if they are not already doing so? Why is it such an issue at MAN?
On another matter, I second the post by BasilBush.
"There's one major handling agent at MAN who are really struggling at the moment"
My impression is that this is not a new situation. Shouldn't the agent's airline customers, the airport and handling agent management be doing something to sort the problem if they are not already doing so? Why is it such an issue at MAN?
On another matter, I second the post by BasilBush.
Air Canada Rouge
A short series of about 7 weeks - lets hope next year it is longer.
I would have preferred Montreal, where there is no direct service at the moment. Anyway, I'm trying out the route next week.
Manchester Airport Air Canada Rouge Toronto flight: Airport boost as non-stop Toronto flight from Manchester takes off - Manchester Evening News
I would have preferred Montreal, where there is no direct service at the moment. Anyway, I'm trying out the route next week.
Manchester Airport Air Canada Rouge Toronto flight: Airport boost as non-stop Toronto flight from Manchester takes off - Manchester Evening News
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Many years ago, Manchester frequently had loads of 'diverts' dumped on top of their scheduled flights flights. It didn't cause chaos, in fact, it was usually handled with aplomb, - and the amount of available pavement was a fraction of what exists today.
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Delta to upgrade Atlanta flights this winter from an A330-200 to a 767-400. Nice upgrade as only 2 operators of this type. Extra 12 seats per flight and daily over winter:
DELTA W14 International Operation Changes as of 28JUN14 | Airline Route
DELTA W14 International Operation Changes as of 28JUN14 | Airline Route
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Many years ago Manchester may have had less apron space but critically it had more available space i.e south bay, old runway 28 etc. There were less night stopping aircraft and most importantly the handling staff were not cut to the bone so there were people available to handle.
Many years ago Manchester may have had less apron space but critically it had more available space i.e south bay, old runway 28 etc. There were less night stopping aircraft and most importantly the handling staff were not cut to the bone so there were people available to handle.
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For the last 2 summers, it seems to me that MAN has taken a calculated risk by deciding that it would be financially beneficial to convert 12 a/c stands into car parking which has taken away a fair amount of apron space.
Quite aside from the issue of space for diversions, available stands must be very tight for normal operations at night and first thing in the morning. I happened to be on level 13 of the MSCP at 06.00 one day recently before the early departure rush started. There was very little space on T1 or T2 or the remote stands and I'm sure T3 was the same. It did idly cross my mind that if there were long delays to a significant number of those flights - for example due to the French ATC strike which was then looming - there could well be a problem when MAN's early arrivals wave started at 07.00, notably the long hauls from the States and the Middle East. It may well be that MAN's decision can be justified if there is no serious disruption, and it was suggested elsewhere that the airport will be getting all the stands back at the end of this summer. Is that still the case does anyone know? Ironically, there were a couple of occasions a few months ago when MAN did accept several w/b diversions in a short period of time from LHR after 07.30.
The question of the ability and willingness or otherwise of handling agents to accept diversions because of staffing issues is unfortunately not a new one but seems no nearer to being resolved.
Quite aside from the issue of space for diversions, available stands must be very tight for normal operations at night and first thing in the morning. I happened to be on level 13 of the MSCP at 06.00 one day recently before the early departure rush started. There was very little space on T1 or T2 or the remote stands and I'm sure T3 was the same. It did idly cross my mind that if there were long delays to a significant number of those flights - for example due to the French ATC strike which was then looming - there could well be a problem when MAN's early arrivals wave started at 07.00, notably the long hauls from the States and the Middle East. It may well be that MAN's decision can be justified if there is no serious disruption, and it was suggested elsewhere that the airport will be getting all the stands back at the end of this summer. Is that still the case does anyone know? Ironically, there were a couple of occasions a few months ago when MAN did accept several w/b diversions in a short period of time from LHR after 07.30.
The question of the ability and willingness or otherwise of handling agents to accept diversions because of staffing issues is unfortunately not a new one but seems no nearer to being resolved.
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During the french strike the engine test bay was notified as unavailable because it was to be avilable for parking, if it was used I do not know.
Also taxiways Q and P double as stands and taxiway, but that also means that if you lose them as taxiways there is even less flexibility and less space to put moving aircraft, or aircraft waiting for blocked stands.
In terms of space there is very little slack, it's not uncommon for aircraft to land even in the middle of the night and have to wait for a stand. Also common to see widebodies parked remote due to lack of stands, and stands like 100, 101 and 66R are commonly used for routine parking as well due to lack of space at the terminals.
From what I've heard the stands will be reverting back to aircraft parking when the new car park under the 23R approach is finished. If that holds true though I don't know. The bit past stand 216 has even been taken out of the AIP parking chart.
Also taxiways Q and P double as stands and taxiway, but that also means that if you lose them as taxiways there is even less flexibility and less space to put moving aircraft, or aircraft waiting for blocked stands.
In terms of space there is very little slack, it's not uncommon for aircraft to land even in the middle of the night and have to wait for a stand. Also common to see widebodies parked remote due to lack of stands, and stands like 100, 101 and 66R are commonly used for routine parking as well due to lack of space at the terminals.
From what I've heard the stands will be reverting back to aircraft parking when the new car park under the 23R approach is finished. If that holds true though I don't know. The bit past stand 216 has even been taken out of the AIP parking chart.
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Stands for diversions??
If an a/c requests a diversion to 'x', it's first requirement is to be on the ground. The handling of the pax/crew is of secondary importance.
If that diversion is not allowed, (due to accountancy taking precedence over professionalism and common sense), the possibility of an emergency situation may arise, - which nobody wants.
If you want to find out how to handle non-emergency diversions, check out the pictures of Halifax, Nova Scotia, taken on 11th September 2001.
If an a/c requests a diversion to 'x', it's first requirement is to be on the ground. The handling of the pax/crew is of secondary importance.
If that diversion is not allowed, (due to accountancy taking precedence over professionalism and common sense), the possibility of an emergency situation may arise, - which nobody wants.
If you want to find out how to handle non-emergency diversions, check out the pictures of Halifax, Nova Scotia, taken on 11th September 2001.
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The last time Menzies did TCX they made a right hash of it....
Airline: "Will you be prepared to do handle us for less money than what we're paying now with our current handling agent"
Handling agent: "errrrrrrm - yep"
Airline: "We want many more bells and whistles"
Handling agent: " We'll promise you everything you so desire"
Airline: "You win the contract"
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Ground handling contracts
Add.
Can we the airline assign the delay codes and any delay code we assign to you our handling agent means you give us money,
Agent errrr yes sahib
Can we give you ludicrous turnaround time?
Etc etc
Can we the airline assign the delay codes and any delay code we assign to you our handling agent means you give us money,
Agent errrr yes sahib
Can we give you ludicrous turnaround time?
Etc etc
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Handling?
I know they self handle in LHR would be good if they did in manchester but doubt it as it's starting at 4x weekly?
Everything in T2 at the moment is swissport would be nice to see another handling agent over there
I know they self handle in LHR would be good if they did in manchester but doubt it as it's starting at 4x weekly?
Everything in T2 at the moment is swissport would be nice to see another handling agent over there