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EK could be a very strong contender as creating more fifth freedom routes through Europe is on the agenda, with MAN apparently being looked at. If anything ever does happen, then it looks like JFK is perhaps more probable.
Outside of LHR, there is no daily all year schedule to YYZ and if diplomatic relations between Canada and the UAE had remained a little calmer, I suspect that YYZ would be worthy of a little more consideration. However, that is extremely unlikely for the foreseeable future.
Outside of LHR, there is no daily all year schedule to YYZ and if diplomatic relations between Canada and the UAE had remained a little calmer, I suspect that YYZ would be worthy of a little more consideration. However, that is extremely unlikely for the foreseeable future.
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I'm sure it's been said somewhere that it's a new route, which I suppose has been interpreted as a new destination. If it's a new route for a particular airline from MAN, but not necessarily a new destination, then EK to JFK could fit the bill.
That, I have to say, would be more interesting i.m.o. than PIA to LAX with MAN really being mainly a refuelling stop and presumably for security purposes.
Also, it has not been established whether it is a transit flight via MAN or a MAN originating flight; or even that it's to the US, although that seems likely on the hints given.
That, I have to say, would be more interesting i.m.o. than PIA to LAX with MAN really being mainly a refuelling stop and presumably for security purposes.
Also, it has not been established whether it is a transit flight via MAN or a MAN originating flight; or even that it's to the US, although that seems likely on the hints given.
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Ok I'll give more clues.
Its not a transit flight and as far as I know this route has never been served from MAN (IAH was mentioned earlier but that has been served from MAN in the past).
Its not another China flight, and while a good route, probably not 'exciting' (as in a 'I've always wanted to go there' route).
Primary driver of the route is cargo (Ironically cargo originating in the Midlands) and connections.
Then that really is all I can say.
Its not a transit flight and as far as I know this route has never been served from MAN (IAH was mentioned earlier but that has been served from MAN in the past).
Its not another China flight, and while a good route, probably not 'exciting' (as in a 'I've always wanted to go there' route).
Primary driver of the route is cargo (Ironically cargo originating in the Midlands) and connections.
Then that really is all I can say.
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The fact it ISNT China is more of a worry.
If we are going to get Air China it should have emerged on this trip in terms of kudos etc.
Still time i assume but this needs to happen now !
If we are going to get Air China it should have emerged on this trip in terms of kudos etc.
Still time i assume but this needs to happen now !
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Primary driver of the route is cargo (Ironically cargo originating in the Midlands) and connections.
Anyway, I'll pop in the bookies and put a £10 on Detroit
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Years ago, Detroit was often mooted but never happened. I thought the financial crisis had taken a heavy toll on industry there - are there signs of recovery?
Seattle doesn't really fit the connections criteria (I assume they would be at the other end not MAN) and the wrong industries I would have thought for cargo.
Pittsburg, an industrial city, was once a possibility but as far as I know has never developed as an international airport.
Phoenix or Denver come to mind for possible connections, but not sure as to whether they would be a driver for cargo, and Denver is a place you might want to visit so doesn't fit with the hints.
If, and it's not been confirmed, it is a US route, we seem to be left with BA and DL (UA, VS & AA, which I take to include US Air now, having been ruled out). If it's not the US, and not a transit flight, and it's a current daily operator into MAN, the choice is somewhat restricted I would have thought.
I bet LAX LHR is enjoying this!
Seattle doesn't really fit the connections criteria (I assume they would be at the other end not MAN) and the wrong industries I would have thought for cargo.
Pittsburg, an industrial city, was once a possibility but as far as I know has never developed as an international airport.
Phoenix or Denver come to mind for possible connections, but not sure as to whether they would be a driver for cargo, and Denver is a place you might want to visit so doesn't fit with the hints.
If, and it's not been confirmed, it is a US route, we seem to be left with BA and DL (UA, VS & AA, which I take to include US Air now, having been ruled out). If it's not the US, and not a transit flight, and it's a current daily operator into MAN, the choice is somewhat restricted I would have thought.
I bet LAX LHR is enjoying this!
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Not sure how much cargo shifts between Brum and Detroit these days, rewind 10-15 years it was enough to fill an MD11 a week but that was when Ford engines were put in Jags. Assuming it's auto industry related freight than India, China and Saudi Arabia would be the obvious choices. With Saudi already covered, China ruled out and India served from Brum I'm a little stumped unless it's a new carrier to India or the flights from Brum are already full with cargo?
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This is a good game! Was confused about LAX_LHR's comment about giving more clues, as I didn't think he'd given one at that point. However thinking laterally about his DL 330 comment I wonder if Betablockeruk's £10 might be worth following. As he said, Detroit isn't renowned for being at the top of its game financially at the moment, but it is a decent sized DL hub, so if they funnel transit pax through there, with the bonus of ferrying loads of car parts below deck then who knows? For pax heading to the northern half of the US, it would be a more obvious connection than going through Atlanta.
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However thinking laterally about his DL 330 comment
I bet LAX LHR is enjoying this!
In terms of China, Im very very disappointed that the recent meeting between our PM's and officials did not sign the bilateral addendum Air China so desperately need to start MAN. Its still on the cards, and this is the only thing stopping them starting.
In other news, it seems Flynas will drop to 2 weekly from September. Looks like they are wounded and on the verge of retreat.
Going the complete opposite way, Saudia have put on extra flights for the Hajj from September, with sporadic dates loaded, and all extra flights being the B777-300ER.
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Its actually quite interesting to see what people can interpret from the clues. Some interesting ones so far!
In terms of long haul, South African and Malaysia are in an appaling state financially.
The US legacies have AA/US over subscribed in my view, United adding IAD but at the expense of a EWR rotation in comparison with EDI where ORD was in addition to twice daily EWR which leaves DL which only recently dropped JFK, a much stronger O&D hub than DTW. The MAN-strong hub options are already served, the first tier is already covered.
Primary driver of the route is cargo (Ironically cargo originating in the Midlands) and connections.
Then that really is all I can say.
Then that really is all I can say.
#boredwithgames
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Quite a few questions here so I apologize for that
Is this a cargo only flight or is that just one of the reasons why this route is happening ?
As you said the route has never been served before, has the airline ever operated a different route that came into MAN ?
Also does anyone know of any recent deals with companies in the Midlands that may have resulted in a boost in cargo ?
Is this a cargo only flight or is that just one of the reasons why this route is happening ?
As you said the route has never been served before, has the airline ever operated a different route that came into MAN ?
Also does anyone know of any recent deals with companies in the Midlands that may have resulted in a boost in cargo ?
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Is there a particular reason why you can't name the airline?
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Re Saudia, are we still expecting the increased frequency (to 4 a week) from November that was mentioned previously and not just the ad hoc increase for Hajj?
On the guessing game, if it's a US route, I can't see beyond Delta, and Detroit would seem to meet the hints better than Seattle, although isn't the latter a new DL hub?
On the guessing game, if it's a US route, I can't see beyond Delta, and Detroit would seem to meet the hints better than Seattle, although isn't the latter a new DL hub?
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Confidentiality. I and others privy to the news can go as far to say 'a route will be announced', and give clues in the manner I have, but, cant go as far to name the airline and route.
"Confidentiality" means not playing games on an internet forum. Aside from the fact you're ex BA, now work at Manchester and play around in GDS a lot, nobody knows who you are
Save the pages of guessing for airliners.net?
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"save the pages of guessing for airliners.net"
..what, like you do ? , I fail to see the difference between that forum and here. Its been a long time since it was genuine pilot rumours in here unfortunately. Fine if you want to know about what package holiday 757 is operating from NCL or delays to a subbed TCX or gd forbid, which BA Airbus has a crest or not....
..what, like you do ? , I fail to see the difference between that forum and here. Its been a long time since it was genuine pilot rumours in here unfortunately. Fine if you want to know about what package holiday 757 is operating from NCL or delays to a subbed TCX or gd forbid, which BA Airbus has a crest or not....
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Oh, and there's me thinking this was a rumour network as well as news!
Until a route is formally announced Skip I regard this story as a rumour.
You don't know why or how LAX LHR is privy to the information, directly or from a third party, or the circumstances in which it was relayed to him, so I'm not sure why you are so critical.
Until a route is formally announced Skip I regard this story as a rumour.
You don't know why or how LAX LHR is privy to the information, directly or from a third party, or the circumstances in which it was relayed to him, so I'm not sure why you are so critical.