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Seems Manchester is getting a few increases this winter, all which help address the seasonality imbalance.
Next up with the confirmed increases is TAP.
Lisbon-Manchester is 11 weekly this winter compared to daily last year.
TP324 LIS 0705 MAN 1000 MTWTFSS A319/A320
TP329 MAN 1045 LIS 1335 MTWTFSS A319/A320
TP322 LIS 1405 MAN 1700 --WTF-S A319
TP323 MAN 1745 LIS 2035 --WTF-S A319
Flights are bookable on all platforms including TAP website.
Next up with the confirmed increases is TAP.
Lisbon-Manchester is 11 weekly this winter compared to daily last year.
TP324 LIS 0705 MAN 1000 MTWTFSS A319/A320
TP329 MAN 1045 LIS 1335 MTWTFSS A319/A320
TP322 LIS 1405 MAN 1700 --WTF-S A319
TP323 MAN 1745 LIS 2035 --WTF-S A319
Flights are bookable on all platforms including TAP website.
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We well written and fair assessment of the "job" that Visit Britain (doesn't) do for Britain.
I think though we should leave it there, as whatever we think and write (and I believe we are at one) it won't change things one iota and we living outside the southeast are going to have to lump it.
We well written and fair assessment of the "job" that Visit Britain (doesn't) do for Britain.
I think though we should leave it there, as whatever we think and write (and I believe we are at one) it won't change things one iota and we living outside the southeast are going to have to lump it.
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I've been visiting every region in England and if we move to English counties only Cumbria and Isle of Wight is missing for my visited list. There was only one common denominator I picked up during the last ten years: We don't get our fair share. Another thing that surprised me was how small size this "We" area had. Bagso is talking about the north of England and the North West region and compare it with the South East region - this is very uncommon. But if you look at some parts of the South East, they are even worse off than the large majority of communites in the North West when it comes to let's say public transport and other forms of communication. We have a subsidiary in the south west corner of Hampshire and you can't imagine how hard (and expensive) it was for me get this site hooked up to our world wide Telepresence system.
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North/South divide, trams trains - all nothing to do with the topic of this thread.
I'd appreciate it if you stopped wasting my time and STICK to THE topic.
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I'd appreciate it if you stopped wasting my time and STICK to THE topic.
PPP
Absolutely. Trains, trams etc are all intrinsic to the success of MAN, for which this thread is about. Also, whether we agree with bagso or not, the promotion of inbound tourism also affects, you've guessed it, MAN. With that in mind I think you should perhaps rethink your stance as, in my opinion, the discussion is largely linked to the subject in hand... I.e Manchester Airport. I usually agree or sympathise with the views of Mods (even if it doesn't always come across very well) but I do think you are being a bit hasty and seeing the debate out of context.
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North/South divide, trams trains - all nothing to do with the topic of this thread.
I'd appreciate it if you stopped wasting my time and STICK to THE topic.
I'd appreciate it if you stopped wasting my time and STICK to THE topic.
No disrespect to those views btw.
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I have to admit, without any knowledge of having missed any posts which might have been removed, this thread has been a more interesting thread of late. It has gone from the immature and inane, dare I say, anorak content to a thread which has been discussing Manchester and its role not only on a standalone basis, but in the context of the region, nationally and in relation to other component parts of the national transport infrastructure.
I wish some recent formal discussions had shown so much thought towards MAN in the national context.
I've long argued you can not discuss MAN in splendid isolation, and if we are being restricted to do doing only that, I fear the thread will lose much of its current quality which has been such an informative read. :::shrugs:::
Soz Pop.
I wish some recent formal discussions had shown so much thought towards MAN in the national context.
I've long argued you can not discuss MAN in splendid isolation, and if we are being restricted to do doing only that, I fear the thread will lose much of its current quality which has been such an informative read. :::shrugs:::
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MODS - I'd appreciate it if you stopped wasting my time and STICK to THE topic.
Hang on...what IS the topic....inbound tourism is fundamental and critical to the success of Manchester Airport , Visit Britain is supposed to represent all of Britain, my posting "now removed" detailed its major failings.
Therefore can you clarify what does one say ? I'm struggling to find what forms a reasonable argument !
"er its no good" is that it ?
POINT 1
The north south divide has absolutely everything to do with the prosperity of Manchester Airport. That' s blindingly obvious !
Strategy, vision, investment etc by outside agencies impact Manchester Airport !
POINT 2
As long as nobody is offended and the comments are not of a racist, bullying, homophobic or offensive nature I really fail to see why we have to have an intervention ?
It's an interesting debate which is engaging discussion what on earth is the problem ?
If i don't agree with somebody i will say so and likewise i am pretty sure some posters will disagree with me.
You have to add detail which may seem remote from the subject to ensure the point is made..... a glib comment without depth of colour is uninformative dull and unimaginative !
We have a "robust" exchange of views with some barbed comments, but we get on with it, so to speak
So I have transgressed on what of the face of it appears pretty flaky evidence I suspect a few posters will flee to the Mothers Union,
suddenly baking cakes seems quite an attractive proposition !
For clarification again "what is the topic " so we can stay precisely "on topic" and drown in the banal !
Hang on...what IS the topic....inbound tourism is fundamental and critical to the success of Manchester Airport , Visit Britain is supposed to represent all of Britain, my posting "now removed" detailed its major failings.
Therefore can you clarify what does one say ? I'm struggling to find what forms a reasonable argument !
"er its no good" is that it ?
POINT 1
The north south divide has absolutely everything to do with the prosperity of Manchester Airport. That' s blindingly obvious !
Strategy, vision, investment etc by outside agencies impact Manchester Airport !
POINT 2
As long as nobody is offended and the comments are not of a racist, bullying, homophobic or offensive nature I really fail to see why we have to have an intervention ?
It's an interesting debate which is engaging discussion what on earth is the problem ?
If i don't agree with somebody i will say so and likewise i am pretty sure some posters will disagree with me.
You have to add detail which may seem remote from the subject to ensure the point is made..... a glib comment without depth of colour is uninformative dull and unimaginative !
We have a "robust" exchange of views with some barbed comments, but we get on with it, so to speak
So I have transgressed on what of the face of it appears pretty flaky evidence I suspect a few posters will flee to the Mothers Union,
suddenly baking cakes seems quite an attractive proposition !
For clarification again "what is the topic " so we can stay precisely "on topic" and drown in the banal !
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Dear PPRuNe Pop,
In my more than 500 postings to PPRuNe (the majority of which appear on the Manchester threads) I have always endeavoured to be respectful towards other contributors and towards yourselves (the mods). I understand that you have a difficult job to do. However, respect on forums such as this one is a two-way street. I have noted other internet forums which have withered to irrelevance as over-zealous moderation drove well-informed regular contributors to alternative venues. It would be very sad to see that happen here. Good quality user-generated content is a valuable resource which should be appreciated by the host website. It is specifically this which attracts traffic to the site. The best forums are moderated with a velvet glove, not the jackboot.
In this case, my own posting discussing the North-South divide was directly relevant to Manchester Airport and relates to the ongoing fallout from the Davies Report. This report will directly affect the future distribution of business across UK airports including MAN. Bagso's posting on London-centric taxpayer-funded inbound tourism promotion tackled a topic which is fundamentally important to MAN. It must have taken him a couple of hours to research, compile and post it. Some may disagree with his opinion, but that posting was directly relevant, interesting, respectful, thought-provoking and non-abusive. Exactly the type of constructive submission which a forum-based website ought to appreciate.
Postings such as my own, and those of Bagso, Skipness, FDF, LAX-LHR, LN-KGL and many others do not just magically appear. These more involved submissions require knowledge borne of in-depth research, professional expertise and considerable time invested in acquiring that. If we are to invest our precious time contributing to these discussions in good faith (and in a wholly respectful manner), then it it is most disappointing to find our postings abruptly deleted because a moderator disagrees with the views expressed. I have to tell you that I contribute a great deal of valuable time in doing my bit to help make PPRuNe the vibrant resource that it has become. You moderators are the law, but frequent contributors are the lifeblood and soul of the site.
I will do my best to respect the rules of the forum (as I always have) … respectful exchanges with those who hold different opinions, no foul language, no abuse. I am happy to continue informing, educating and answering questions across the PPRuNe forums where my years in the industry have afforded me the insights to do so. This effort and time I happily contribute free of charge. In turn, I appreciate the opportunity to learn from the expertise of others and bounce ideas off them.
Bagso, FDF, Skipness, LN-KGL, LAX-LHR and so many others similarly donate their time and professional expertise to PPRuNe discussions. However, if one finds respectful and entirely relevant postings randomly deleted by the invisible hand, it becomes difficult to maintain the enthusiasm to contribute. Can the time and effort required still be justified? Please be careful not to kill the geese.
We respect you. Please reciprocate that respect to your dedicated regular contributors. They are well-informed professionals with valuable insights to share. They are not naughty schoolchildren.
Best Regards, SHED.
In my more than 500 postings to PPRuNe (the majority of which appear on the Manchester threads) I have always endeavoured to be respectful towards other contributors and towards yourselves (the mods). I understand that you have a difficult job to do. However, respect on forums such as this one is a two-way street. I have noted other internet forums which have withered to irrelevance as over-zealous moderation drove well-informed regular contributors to alternative venues. It would be very sad to see that happen here. Good quality user-generated content is a valuable resource which should be appreciated by the host website. It is specifically this which attracts traffic to the site. The best forums are moderated with a velvet glove, not the jackboot.
In this case, my own posting discussing the North-South divide was directly relevant to Manchester Airport and relates to the ongoing fallout from the Davies Report. This report will directly affect the future distribution of business across UK airports including MAN. Bagso's posting on London-centric taxpayer-funded inbound tourism promotion tackled a topic which is fundamentally important to MAN. It must have taken him a couple of hours to research, compile and post it. Some may disagree with his opinion, but that posting was directly relevant, interesting, respectful, thought-provoking and non-abusive. Exactly the type of constructive submission which a forum-based website ought to appreciate.
Postings such as my own, and those of Bagso, Skipness, FDF, LAX-LHR, LN-KGL and many others do not just magically appear. These more involved submissions require knowledge borne of in-depth research, professional expertise and considerable time invested in acquiring that. If we are to invest our precious time contributing to these discussions in good faith (and in a wholly respectful manner), then it it is most disappointing to find our postings abruptly deleted because a moderator disagrees with the views expressed. I have to tell you that I contribute a great deal of valuable time in doing my bit to help make PPRuNe the vibrant resource that it has become. You moderators are the law, but frequent contributors are the lifeblood and soul of the site.
I will do my best to respect the rules of the forum (as I always have) … respectful exchanges with those who hold different opinions, no foul language, no abuse. I am happy to continue informing, educating and answering questions across the PPRuNe forums where my years in the industry have afforded me the insights to do so. This effort and time I happily contribute free of charge. In turn, I appreciate the opportunity to learn from the expertise of others and bounce ideas off them.
Bagso, FDF, Skipness, LN-KGL, LAX-LHR and so many others similarly donate their time and professional expertise to PPRuNe discussions. However, if one finds respectful and entirely relevant postings randomly deleted by the invisible hand, it becomes difficult to maintain the enthusiasm to contribute. Can the time and effort required still be justified? Please be careful not to kill the geese.
We respect you. Please reciprocate that respect to your dedicated regular contributors. They are well-informed professionals with valuable insights to share. They are not naughty schoolchildren.
Best Regards, SHED.
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Thanks
After the recent contributions to this forum, as a very interested amateur in all things related to Manchester and its airport with no inside knowledge at all, I want to thank all the contributors, those I agree with and those I don't agree with for their contributions. Surely that is the point of a forum like this, to share discussion, information, comment, conjecture. I for one really enjoy reading it. All I do is fly from Manchester 2 or 3 times a year, usually T2, as I will be again next week.
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As we still await clarification regarding what is a relevant posting and what is not ....I'll put this out there.
Here is the latest release from the Davies Commission who in answer to one very vociferous South Yorks Politician who yelled at Davies during a select committee meeting
"This inquiry was supposed to look at UK capacity , have you guys ever actually been to Manchester Airport ? "
Well shock, horror it seems Manchester may be relevant unless the report is merely a ruse to actually show the lack of London connectivity at Newquay, Inverness , and IOM etc
Somewhat lamentably they have produced the following and curiously after laying dormant for months they are currently tweeting for England the importance of wait for it "Regional Airports".
Blimey who threw the anchor out on that one ?
http://www.gov.uk/government/uploads...g-capacity.pdf
Might just be me being cynical but the leader in the business section of The Times of Sunday (pure coincidence re timing of course, m'lord) suggested that
"the MEBs will have so many point to point flights into regional European airports by 2020, the need for Eastbound connectivity will quote
make LHR expansion unnecessary & unworkable".
The inference being that LHR once clearly the bridgehead of the EU/USA block will in effect be marginalised as power shifts to the center of EU/Asia.
......might well be worth remembering that quote as I have a feeling it will raise its head again in coming months, are they perhaps clearing the decks for a quick about turn on Heathrow expansion.
If it does airlines may look for opportunities elsewhere , maybe they have noticed the recent long haul interest in Manchester ?
As Captain Mainwaring used to say "Right Men All ahead ..........STOP ! "
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And a nice ref in the Los Angele Times travel section reference Manchester, from @VisitManchester who it has to be said have done an excellent body swerve past @visitbritain
http://www.latimes.com/travel/la-tr-...608-story.html
Can only help the airport !
Here is the latest release from the Davies Commission who in answer to one very vociferous South Yorks Politician who yelled at Davies during a select committee meeting
"This inquiry was supposed to look at UK capacity , have you guys ever actually been to Manchester Airport ? "
Well shock, horror it seems Manchester may be relevant unless the report is merely a ruse to actually show the lack of London connectivity at Newquay, Inverness , and IOM etc
Somewhat lamentably they have produced the following and curiously after laying dormant for months they are currently tweeting for England the importance of wait for it "Regional Airports".
Blimey who threw the anchor out on that one ?
http://www.gov.uk/government/uploads...g-capacity.pdf
Might just be me being cynical but the leader in the business section of The Times of Sunday (pure coincidence re timing of course, m'lord) suggested that
"the MEBs will have so many point to point flights into regional European airports by 2020, the need for Eastbound connectivity will quote
make LHR expansion unnecessary & unworkable".
The inference being that LHR once clearly the bridgehead of the EU/USA block will in effect be marginalised as power shifts to the center of EU/Asia.
......might well be worth remembering that quote as I have a feeling it will raise its head again in coming months, are they perhaps clearing the decks for a quick about turn on Heathrow expansion.
If it does airlines may look for opportunities elsewhere , maybe they have noticed the recent long haul interest in Manchester ?
As Captain Mainwaring used to say "Right Men All ahead ..........STOP ! "
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And a nice ref in the Los Angele Times travel section reference Manchester, from @VisitManchester who it has to be said have done an excellent body swerve past @visitbritain
http://www.latimes.com/travel/la-tr-...608-story.html
Can only help the airport !
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US Airways has used a B767-200 on the US746/747 CLT-MAN-CLT route the past 2 days due to higher than expected loads.
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airport commission regional document
Massive food for thought in the gov.uk doc linked above by Bagso. Informs the debate and takes it to a different level. It is a consultation doc, six weeks or so to respond.
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North/South divide, trams trains - all nothing to do with the topic of this thread.
I'd appreciate it if you stopped wasting my time and STICK to THE topic.
I'd appreciate it if you stopped wasting my time and STICK to THE topic.
Forsooth, MAN Airport has a Ground Transport strategy which talks about trams and trains, as well as buses, coaches and cycles and footpaths......
http://www.manchesterairport.co.uk/manweb.nsf/alldocs/1CFD0FFD6000513E80257393003BBAA2/$File/Grndtrans-screen.pdf
A bit long in the tooth now but maybe there will be a revision soon if anyone at the Airport is reading this.....
It contains amongst many other things the following
The profile and characteristics of the passenger market are highly relevant to the planning of surface access. It is important to understand the demand profile in order to better understand passenger behaviour and develop targeted strategies that influence travel mode choice.
Air transport is a dynamic business and airlines and airports are currently undergoing a period of radical change. This is in part driven by the continued growth of low cost carriers and consolidation in the charter market. This is an ongoing trend. In 2002 the split between scheduled and charter traffic was almost 50/50; by 2005 this was 60/40. By 2015, we expect that scheduled
services, predominantly driven by growth in low cost carriers, will make up 75% of our business. This has important implications for our surface access strategy as our own research shows that passengers travelling on low-cost airlines have a higher propensity to choose public transport, where as only 6% of charter passengers use public transport.
The main objectives of our Ground Transport Plan are to:
• Significantly increase public transport use
• Reduce dependency on the car
• Manage and mitigate road traffic growth
• Maintain and enhance the Airport’s accessibility
Air transport is a dynamic business and airlines and airports are currently undergoing a period of radical change. This is in part driven by the continued growth of low cost carriers and consolidation in the charter market. This is an ongoing trend. In 2002 the split between scheduled and charter traffic was almost 50/50; by 2005 this was 60/40. By 2015, we expect that scheduled
services, predominantly driven by growth in low cost carriers, will make up 75% of our business. This has important implications for our surface access strategy as our own research shows that passengers travelling on low-cost airlines have a higher propensity to choose public transport, where as only 6% of charter passengers use public transport.
The main objectives of our Ground Transport Plan are to:
• Significantly increase public transport use
• Reduce dependency on the car
• Manage and mitigate road traffic growth
• Maintain and enhance the Airport’s accessibility
The extension of Metrolink to the Airport is a pivotal element of our Ground Transport Strategy – particularly for employees where we forecast an 8% mode share by 2015. It will complement our heavy rail services and penetrate areas of highest employee density, enhancing the accessibility of the Airport and offering opportunities for employment for residents of Wythenshawe, Chorlton and Trafford. It offers the potential to secure a major shift away from employee car use with significant savings in emissions, congestion and pollution.
http://www.gatwickairport.com/Public...s_2012_web.pdf
The state of regional economies is integral to the future of ANY airport, not just MAN and so any discussion of the merits of other regions, especially those who may be getting an unbalanced tranche of infrastructure investments is indeed relevant. Major inputs to forecasts of future traffic will include the state of the national and regional economy and the attractiveness of other airports to take traffic from local catchments
MAN's Master Plan states
Aviation is one of the key drivers of regional economic growth.
There is a very close connection between the economic prosperity of
Greater Manchester and the North West and the success of Manchester Airport
Greater Manchester and the North West and the success of Manchester Airport
Luckily on this thread we have a few individuals who are prepared to argue their points cogently and respectfully and I would submit that these topics are entirely relevant to a discussion about Manchester - or any other regional UK airport for that matter.
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There's only 4 business and 10 economy difference between the B762/B752 with US. Is the service at 100% capacity already? If that's the case, that's pretty impressive for a service in it's first month and before the school holidays.
Maybe it goes to show that for at least summer, 4 daily AA isn't quite as crazy as first thought?
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Good news .......
Manchester is second most popular destination in England for overseas tourists - Manchester Evening News
Most telling figures here is not just the reference to Manchester, (2nd after London) but Liverpool, Leeds and arguably York.
Combined these are significant numbers and Manchester is the long haul entry point at the heart of this !
VisitBritain bosses are now "APPARENTLY" anxious to draw more foreign tourists to other attractions outside London.
Strategy director Patricia Yates said: “We need to encourage people to come back time after time, which in turn will mean our visitors venture out across Britain. London is the global superstar of tourism destinations, a city that all around the world people want to visit. Because of this, we need to make sure we are inspiring them on the Britain-wide offering and informing on how easy it is to travel across the country in such a short space of time.”
Keep hammering at there door chaps...embarrass their tweets, and emailing OUR MPs
They don't like it up 'em.
Imagine what Manchester and indeed The North could attract if words turned to actions !
Manchester is second most popular destination in England for overseas tourists - Manchester Evening News
Most telling figures here is not just the reference to Manchester, (2nd after London) but Liverpool, Leeds and arguably York.
Combined these are significant numbers and Manchester is the long haul entry point at the heart of this !
VisitBritain bosses are now "APPARENTLY" anxious to draw more foreign tourists to other attractions outside London.
Strategy director Patricia Yates said: “We need to encourage people to come back time after time, which in turn will mean our visitors venture out across Britain. London is the global superstar of tourism destinations, a city that all around the world people want to visit. Because of this, we need to make sure we are inspiring them on the Britain-wide offering and informing on how easy it is to travel across the country in such a short space of time.”
Keep hammering at there door chaps...embarrass their tweets, and emailing OUR MPs
They don't like it up 'em.
Imagine what Manchester and indeed The North could attract if words turned to actions !