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Hardly. EasyJet have tried and subsequently dropped Inverness, Southend, Prague, Berlin, Venice, Bergamo (albeit a bookable charter), Malta, Rome. Experiments currently ongoing : Split, Jersey, Arrecife, Bordeaux, Jersey, Lyon.
When EI arrived at BFS they largely duplicated Easy's international routes and got their fingers fried. That forced them into experimentation. Their failure at BFS had little to do with the airport and plenty to do with a strategic cock-up. They now have a niche at BHD and that's fair enough.
When EI arrived at BFS they largely duplicated Easy's international routes and got their fingers fried. That forced them into experimentation. Their failure at BFS had little to do with the airport and plenty to do with a strategic cock-up. They now have a niche at BHD and that's fair enough.
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All the talk of whether AerLingus moved due to BFS not being profitable is a futile argument. They made the right decision to move based on the competitive climate of that time. Outside of the Canary Island routes to Lanzarote and Tenerife Winter sun routes were not fruitful and the non Canary ones would be hourly contested by easyJet, especially in Winter. The Canary routes were never enough to sustain a full unit across Winter, an increased flying programme was needed.
AerLingus spotted an opportunity to target bmi's frequent fliers when BA were talking over, coupled with the opportunity to move on on the LGW route. Hence, BHD presented an opportunity for EI to improve their performance. EI packaged this emergent strategy which focused on a business proposition, supplemented be seasonal sun flying programme, and having 2 routes on London have them scale on the Belfast London market.
They saw it that their cost base was sound to compete with BA for point to point traffic with some interlining. Now again the climate has changed and BA and EI will think and act as one under the parent IAG...
So all's changed, changed utterly...
AerLingus spotted an opportunity to target bmi's frequent fliers when BA were talking over, coupled with the opportunity to move on on the LGW route. Hence, BHD presented an opportunity for EI to improve their performance. EI packaged this emergent strategy which focused on a business proposition, supplemented be seasonal sun flying programme, and having 2 routes on London have them scale on the Belfast London market.
They saw it that their cost base was sound to compete with BA for point to point traffic with some interlining. Now again the climate has changed and BA and EI will think and act as one under the parent IAG...
So all's changed, changed utterly...
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Was EI not rumoured to be questioning their LGW flights in the recent past, and was really BE pulling off the route that then allowed them to continue, with some degree of confidence.
Rumours at the time were that BE were winning the BHD LGW battle, and only with BE pulling their entire Gatwick op cemented EIs future on the route.
Rumours at the time were that BE were winning the BHD LGW battle, and only with BE pulling their entire Gatwick op cemented EIs future on the route.
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SecondDog, one can only assume you're an Aldergrove employee
"Your" airport, really? Is this simply turning into a "my airport is better than yours just because it is" style argument?
Assuming you work at Aldergrove I would make 2 points, be careful what you post on social media, it may well fall foul of your contract and secondly, take a valium or something and calm down!
I have stated before and will do so again before leaving this thread for a while until some semblance of sanity returns, not one single poster on here knows what is going on in airline boardrooms and if they did they certainly wouldn't be straight onto pprune to broadcast it! The majority of us, myself included, are aviation interested people that enjoy the goings on within our local airport scene. I personally find the business end quite fascinating, sad I know but so what!
Unfortunately there are others who simply wish doom and disaster to fall on one airport or the other and that is just wrong, remember there are real people that rely on both airports to pay mortgages etc. If people are going to post crazy rants stating about backhanders, dirty dealings and other certifiable conspiracy theories then prove it, hearsay or crazy conjecture isn't good enough.
525k is a hell of a subsidy for starting up a route with a fairly low number of seats but it does perhaps get them over the hump of viability. Fairly useful then that your airport ceo was the dude handing out the subsidies then....... just sayin!
Assuming you work at Aldergrove I would make 2 points, be careful what you post on social media, it may well fall foul of your contract and secondly, take a valium or something and calm down!
I have stated before and will do so again before leaving this thread for a while until some semblance of sanity returns, not one single poster on here knows what is going on in airline boardrooms and if they did they certainly wouldn't be straight onto pprune to broadcast it! The majority of us, myself included, are aviation interested people that enjoy the goings on within our local airport scene. I personally find the business end quite fascinating, sad I know but so what!
Unfortunately there are others who simply wish doom and disaster to fall on one airport or the other and that is just wrong, remember there are real people that rely on both airports to pay mortgages etc. If people are going to post crazy rants stating about backhanders, dirty dealings and other certifiable conspiracy theories then prove it, hearsay or crazy conjecture isn't good enough.
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SecondDog, one can only assume you're an Aldergrove employee
"Your" airport, really? Is this simply turning into a "my airport is better than yours just because it is" style argument?
Assuming you work at Aldergrove I would make 2 points, be careful what you post on social media, it may well fall foul of your contract and secondly, take a valium or something and calm down!
I have stated before and will do so again before leaving this thread for a while until some semblance of sanity returns, not one single poster on here knows what is going on in airline boardrooms and if they did they certainly wouldn't be straight onto pprune to broadcast it! The majority of us, myself included, are aviation interested people that enjoy the goings on within our local airport scene. I personally find the business end quite fascinating, sad I know but so what! Unfortunately there are others who simply wish doom and disaster to fall on one airport or the other and that is just wrong, remember there are real people that rely on both airports to pay mortgages etc. If people are going to post crazy rants stating about backhanders, dirty dealings and other certifiable conspiracy theories then prove it, hearsay or crazy conjecture isn't good enough.
"Your" airport, really? Is this simply turning into a "my airport is better than yours just because it is" style argument?
Assuming you work at Aldergrove I would make 2 points, be careful what you post on social media, it may well fall foul of your contract and secondly, take a valium or something and calm down!
I have stated before and will do so again before leaving this thread for a while until some semblance of sanity returns, not one single poster on here knows what is going on in airline boardrooms and if they did they certainly wouldn't be straight onto pprune to broadcast it! The majority of us, myself included, are aviation interested people that enjoy the goings on within our local airport scene. I personally find the business end quite fascinating, sad I know but so what!
Unfortunately there are others who simply wish doom and disaster to fall on one airport or the other and that is just wrong, remember there are real people that rely on both airports to pay mortgages etc. If people are going to post crazy rants stating about backhanders, dirty dealings and other certifiable conspiracy theories then prove it, hearsay or crazy conjecture isn't good enough.Also I am not concerned about what I posted above as it is verifiable. That is the amount given to KLM by Tourism Ireland to 'bring inbound tourism to N.I. and at the time, the Chair of T.I. was.......
The word 'your' is simply the plural form used to refer to the people associated with the airport rather than identiying a particular person and is grammatically correct.
As for my views, well I am interested in N.I. being brought out of the dark ages of old boys networks and brown envelopes. In terms of aviation that means developing coherent strategy that recognises the need to focus at one airport for international travel. In my view, as I have stated before many times, City should be a business airport with a limited size aircraft etc. etc.
That is not a wish for anyone to lose jobs or anything like it, on the contrary, I suggest that if things were done differently the scope for employment would be better as we concentrated on trying to gain business from DUB rather than fight for each other's traffic.
All quite calmly thought and no different to my views posted here over time. So Valium not required so much as a greater interpretation of English language by readers. Spin is a naughty tool to use Pan, you could work in media the way you tried to inflame my post.
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Have to admit the dogx2 makes a lot of sense in his postings. It is obvious and commonly known about the corruption between a large political party and a certain Md, beggars belief in this day and age to be honest, and only so long it will go on for. Long and short of the suitation is the lough finally has wakened up and has the opportunity to reclaim its place in Northern Ireland aviation, however old style management is still rife, they need investment,will they invest or just put more sticky plasters over the place. I no what one im betting on.
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City should be a business airport with a limited size aircraft etc. etc.
London City has a practical limit on aircraft size because of its geographically-restricted dimensions and steep approach, though an A319 has demonstrated non-revenue operations there. Belfast City can handle a ( lightly-fuelled ) 757 at a pinch.
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So, only a certain number of business folk should be able to fly from an airport because... socialist central planning? If that's your philosophy on transport then just renationalise the airports and stop pretending to promote a capitalist market.
London City has a practical limit on aircraft size because of its geographically-restricted dimensions and steep approach, though an A319 has demonstrated non-revenue operations there. Belfast City can handle a ( lightly-fuelled ) 757 at a pinch.
London City has a practical limit on aircraft size because of its geographically-restricted dimensions and steep approach, though an A319 has demonstrated non-revenue operations there. Belfast City can handle a ( lightly-fuelled ) 757 at a pinch.
Even the most ardent Capitalist is subject to the governance of the state in which they operate. That state should organise things to gain maximum efficiency and productivity from their subject citizens and businesses. The relationship is symbiotic as the business needs things from the state to maximise their earnings from the market they operate in. Regardless of what airport you may prefer, surely you understand that market is finite here and oversupply helps noone?
As for geography etc. I wouldn't like to be on the 757 that is screeching to a halt on a wet runway. Pilots of such an operation wouldn't like to be either so don't be unrealistic. Why would anyone want to take the risk of such operation when there is 1000m extra runway 12 miles up the road that operates 24/7. Even if not as geographically challenged as LCY, it has a natural market which is similar.
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One thing about distance - a few people keep stating the 12 miles distance of BFS from Belfast but it's really only that on a map as the crow flies. The quickest way to get there is around 18 miles from Belfast. An important distinction I feel.
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I see the whole nonsense regarding seats for sale has been sorted at last! Stand by for Belfast City Airport Watch on the local news later, "The noise from that Airbus *killed my Budgie, Cat, Dog, Granny, ruined my childs education, etc
*Insert as appropriate.
Jamie Delargy: "Despite PAC sending DoE their findings on Belfast City Airport 3 months ago, first details about it come from Belfast International lawyers"
Report recommends no seats limit at airport
Why would the first details come from Aldergrove lawyers? It has naff all to do with Aldergrove, this is one of the great mysteries that I genuinely cannot get my head around when it comes to Harbour. By the same token Harbour has naff all to do with any business decisions away in the distance at Aldergrove.
*Insert as appropriate.
Jamie Delargy: "Despite PAC sending DoE their findings on Belfast City Airport 3 months ago, first details about it come from Belfast International lawyers"
Report recommends no seats limit at airport
Why would the first details come from Aldergrove lawyers? It has naff all to do with Aldergrove, this is one of the great mysteries that I genuinely cannot get my head around when it comes to Harbour. By the same token Harbour has naff all to do with any business decisions away in the distance at Aldergrove.
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It has naff all to do with Aldergrove, this is one of the great mysteries that I genuinely cannot get my head around when it comes to Harbour. By the same token Harbour has naff all to do with any business decisions away in the distance at Aldergrove.
First of all I will say that you lot may metaphorically tear lumps out of each other over which airport is better. I have no interest .
In terms of why BFS should complain,perhaps if we use the supermarket analogy.
TESCO opens in e.g. Ballyclare . Sainsbury decide they would like to open next door .
TESCO will most likely (publicly at least) welcome the competition,but,they will certainly object to the proposed development.
Would they be wrong to object? If they ARE wrong,why are they wrong?
In terms of Northern Ireland the Belfast area airports are (in terms of our mythical supermarkets) right next door to each other. Why shouldn't they publicly welcome competition whilst doing everything in their power to smother it?
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Eastern, I am no expert in planning laws and procedures. I am simply saying, as a layman, that it makes no sense whatsoever for one business to be able to manipulate the system against their only local competitor.
If as in your example Tesco were to complain about a Sainsbury next door because it meant that their customers were unable to access the Tesco premises then fair enough BUT to object because the Sainsbury store might take away some of their perceived customer base, then in my opinion that needs thrown out the moment it arrives on the planning officers desk.
No company has a right to be successful, this is not a communist state. I have said before that if Aldergrove management believe that they would be a serious competitor for Dublin if only Harbour wasn't there then they are deluded. I wonder what the reaction would be if Dublin were to try and interject (on European law) about future Aldergrove business decisions, there would be a lot of huffing and puffing I bet.
If as in your example Tesco were to complain about a Sainsbury next door because it meant that their customers were unable to access the Tesco premises then fair enough BUT to object because the Sainsbury store might take away some of their perceived customer base, then in my opinion that needs thrown out the moment it arrives on the planning officers desk.
No company has a right to be successful, this is not a communist state. I have said before that if Aldergrove management believe that they would be a serious competitor for Dublin if only Harbour wasn't there then they are deluded. I wonder what the reaction would be if Dublin were to try and interject (on European law) about future Aldergrove business decisions, there would be a lot of huffing and puffing I bet.
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Ladies and gentlemen, let the pantomime commence! The local Aldergrove rent-a-mob appearing on a regular basis at an appeals committee near you. Don't worry if you miss any particular performance, you will be able to catch them on any local radio show or newspaper articles as well. Remember, don't let the facts get in the way of a good old norn iron whinge, noise kills don't you know!!!.
City Airport ?could be among noisiest in UK?
City Airport ?could be among noisiest in UK?
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Final planned KLM Fokker 70 service on Sunday, changes to EMB-190 from Monday.
Unless by some miracle someone buys some C-Series I think this might be the last visit by Belfast-built wings.
Unless by some miracle someone buys some C-Series I think this might be the last visit by Belfast-built wings.