BELFAST CITY AIRPORT (BHD)

[mart901]

Of course if it was the BFS contractor that had messed up that would be another matter on here, probably still be BHD's fault somehow or be blamed on having two airports. Sarcasm aside mitie is a huge concern and should be able to sort out payroll, no its not BHD's fault its mitie's and why this is even being discussed on here I've no idea but no doubt if they don't perform to the clients satisfaction they will find themselves being replaced, and bad publicity for the airport could easily be grounds for seeking early termination.

[El Bunto]

no its not BHD's fault its mitie's

Of course it is traceable to the airport's management. They decided to outsource security because it wasn't "core" and the choice and performance of the selected vendor reflects directly on their judgement and attention.

You don't get to shirk business-related responsibilities onto cheapest-bid vendors and then say 'not us guv!'. Just as if it was Swissport it would be the airport's problem, too; disaffection amongst contracted staff directly impacts the customer.

Just ask United in the USA which is in-sourcing a lot of contracts after endless negative feedback about contractors.

[mart901]

Oh wow so that means the management teams at LHR,LGW and BHX all should be hauled over the coals for using mitie. I'll send you in for that one EI Bunto

[Jackmyboy12]

Not always the cheapest

What makes you think That BHD chose the cheapest contractor could have been several reasons why.
Don't seem to have heard many negative reports about BHD security before

[ILS25]

Originally Posted by Jackmyboy12

What makes you think That BHD chose the cheapest contractor could have been several reasons why.
Don't seem to have heard many negative reports about BHD security before

A lot of contracts in this country are won by whoever is giving out the biggest backhander and not on price at all.

(I'm not saying this is the case with the security contract at BHD, I'm just making a point)

[flying officer kite]

The security staff are very unhappy with this, as you can imagine. I've been told that payment problems is nothing new for Mitie..

[sarcon]

We?re flying high, insists airport boss, but it?s now or never for cutting air passenger tax in Northern Ireland - BelfastTelegraph.co.uk


Is it really the case that Ryanair setting up at BIA is unimportant, not our sort of passenger, let them go to the low cost airport. Will this decision really affect BHD so little? When should we expect the launch of the Iberia flights?

[EI-BUD]

Sarcon, with the loss of LGW route to BHD it will cost them 19-20k passengers pet month less the benefit of the new Alicante route and increases in services to existing Aer Lingus destinations FAO, AGP, PMI and increase to 320 on LHR service. In overall terms it will be net loss of passengers and unlikely that a LGW route would be reinstated for some time.. Sadly..

[stab3.5up]

I would say on the back of KLM and SN that BHD will probably let them fight it out in BFS and look for more carriers like Germanwings Iberia Express Cityflyer and so forth. But in the sort term it's still a lot of missing footfall through the airport with the loss of LGW.

[elle may clampit]

I accept that KLM are carrying good loads but they are not likely to grow much, and I would doubt the level of government support, Euro 525k, is going to be repeated, so who knows how that will work in the longer term. Barcelona load factor is around 40%, though BA claims its in the sixties. SN aren't going to get many pax, not LGW levels, and do you really think the others you mention will actually start. If BA says it is going to happen you can almost be assured its bs. And if he is so unconcerned about Ryanair why was he and others at their offices twice in the week before Christmas.

[PPRuNeUser0176]

Sarcon, with the loss of LGW route to BHD it will cost them 19-20k passengers pet month less the benefit of the new Alicante route and increases in services to existing Aer Lingus destinations FAO, AGP, PMI and increase to 320 on LHR service. In overall terms it will be net loss of passengers and unlikely that a LGW route would be reinstated for some time.. Sadly..

BHD will likely lose 85-90,000 in 2016 with EI and 40,000 in 2017.

[Cozy F]

Hey Stab, I cud understand BHD strategy to focus on diversifying thru niche European airlines on hubs, like KL and SN - and also understand aspiration to attract IB on that basis, although perhaps a less clear cut opportunity than KLM for example. As for Cityflyer, are you thinking instead of BE on London City, or as well as? And as for Germanwings, that will be a trick! Don't think they exist any more as an airline? Or if they do, they soon won't!?

[stab3.5up]

I stand corrected Eurowings. And yes Cityflyer not BE. Still a 319/320 missing out of your bottom line is still a big hole to fill.

[EI-BUD]

Stab it's not a loss of an ac until winter 2016/7. Much of the loss from the LGW route will be negated by the increase in sun routes, 3 320's this summer v 2 319s and a 320 last year, and the increase in seat capacity on the Heathrow route. It's from end of Oct where the real impact will be felt....the wisdom is will Aer Lingus introduce new routes in Winter of maintain a few sun rotations out well they maintain a base with 1 aircraft??

[GAZMO]

Still think the overall numbers that EI will fly will be lower than last summer.

Last year 14 flights to FAO and AGP and 21 to LGW = 35 excluding LHR
This summer I make it a total of 28 weekly flights excluding LHR. Even with A320, the start of the season the number of flights are less (20 in April)

Also we have to remember Jet2 have increased number of flights by four in total to ALC, PMI and AGP.........probably a lot of cheap holidays this year

[EI-A330-300]

Still think the overall numbers that EI will fly will be lower than last summer.

Last year 14 flights to FAO and AGP and 21 to LGW = 35 excluding LHR
This summer I make it a total of 28 weekly flights excluding LHR. Even with A320, the start of the season the number of flights are less (20 in April)

Also we have to remember Jet2 have increased number of flights by four in total to ALC, PMI and AGP.........probably a lot of cheap holidays this year

EIDW figure is more less correct, don't worry EI bookings on the new ALC and rest of sun routes are strong. Jet 2 are what is causing FR to pull ALC from LDY and expect overall NI can handle some increased capacity with places like Eqypt and Greece going to be down this year.

I'm sure the type who fly with Jet 2 wouldn't be common on Aer Lingus flights anyway.

[panpanpanpan]

Elle

And if he is so unconcerned about Ryanair why was he and others at their offices twice in the week before Christmas.

Have you any proof that this happened or just made up nonsense and hearsay?

EIA330

I'm sure the type who fly with Jet 2 wouldn't be common on Aer Lingus flights anyway.

Seriously? I and I'm sure many others that frequent these boards would be curious as to what you mean, I have travelled with Ryanair, Jet2, Lingus, FlyBe and Easy over the last few years. I have used Harbour, Aldergrove and Dublin airports as I'm sure have many others, what "type" does that make me?People will use the carrier that suits them for a particular trip, not because they are a particular type!

[EI-A330-300]

Seriously? I and I'm sure many others that frequent these boards would be curious as to what you mean, I have travelled with Ryanair, Jet2, Lingus, FlyBe and Easy over the last few years. I have used Harbour, Aldergrove and Dublin airports as I'm sure have many others, what "type" does that make me?People will use the carrier that suits them for a particular trip, not because they are a particular type!

Knew it was a bad idea to post it but EI have a loyal customer base and you will find that many who fly with others now because EI don't offer x route will move over to them now. Jet 2 target package holiday type folk for the majority of their business now but EI don't. It will be EZY who lose passengers to EI on ALC. There will always be exceptions such as perhaps you.

EI and LS are miles apart in flying experience.

[panpanpanpan]

EIA330, fair point made but I think you will find everyone has their price. Once the price difference reaches a certain value then people will jump ship. I would prefer to fly Easy from BFS to LGW but with Ryanair £100 cheaper, guess who I will end up with? Its a no brainer, shortish flights are simply A to B transport. If a chunky Ryanair flight attendant spends the hour scowling at me and trying to sell me raffle tickets then so what, I'll survive and ultimately have £100 more in my pocket to spend elsewhere!

Now our old friend owenc (where has he gone by the way?) wouldn't settle for anything less than business class on any airline I'm sure but I'm happy to settle for a bit less for the sake of an hour in the air. Personally I haven't had any hassle with Jet2 flying experience either, again its A to B transport.

[GAZMO]

Have to agree panpanpan I have flown with all airlines from both BFS and BHD, and it's always been a good experience.
If there is choice of airlines then I agree it's down to price, timings etc