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Can't remember the frequency last summer but the daily F70 gives about 500 extra seats per month all together against 5x 190, might help bolster numbers which are strong enough. Heard BRU selling well, BHD doing marketing stunts for it recently.
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For the end of year accounts from what I'm hearing I think mayday mayday mayday might be more appropriate
Cessna, pray tell where you have heard this little gem? The only people who would know such knowledge would be the accountants directly involved with preparing the end of year figures, as far as I am aware they won't be lodged with Companies House for a while yet.
Unless of course your source is one of the cleaners second cousins who was flying through Harbour last month and heard a security guard talking to a car hire driver.......
Maybe the figures will be down, maybe they won't, one sure thing theres no-one on this board who can say for definite at this stage! What I have heard, unsubstantiated, is that Harbour are about to sign off on a multi million pound 10 year air traffic control contract, why would they do that if there were concerns about revenue?
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Because ATC is a legitimate unavoidable expense and that ,by paying up front,they may be saving money?
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I know that NATS have been trying to secure the city business for some time, is it actually going to happen now? Could mean big savings for city as most of the work could be carried out from the BFS site.
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I suppose if NATS get it then they will finally have a monopoly over the entire NI airspace. I wonder which traffic will get priority, my guess is that nothing will be allowed to delay all the important Aldergrove traffic and that Harbour traffic will be on permanent scenic tours! Going on my limited ppl experience and the overkill employed to "separate" me in my VFR puddle jumper against an easy airbus miles away it was mind boggling!
An interesting scenario though if Aldergrove ATC were to use facilities rented from Aldergrove airport to provide a service to Aldergrove airport's main competitor. Would this mean Aldergrove airport management would have an indirect input into Harbour traffic routings if they were to specify that NATS should give Aldergrove traffic priority? I have previously heard on the grapevine that Aldergrove ATC were banned by Aldergrove airport management from helping out Harbour traffic when there were ILS problems at Harbour.
An interesting scenario though if Aldergrove ATC were to use facilities rented from Aldergrove airport to provide a service to Aldergrove airport's main competitor. Would this mean Aldergrove airport management would have an indirect input into Harbour traffic routings if they were to specify that NATS should give Aldergrove traffic priority? I have previously heard on the grapevine that Aldergrove ATC were banned by Aldergrove airport management from helping out Harbour traffic when there were ILS problems at Harbour.
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A fundamental misunderstanding of how ATC works (although I have long suspected you know more than you let on.Particularly with regard to City)
NATS ALREADY has a monopoly of Airspace management over NI. NERL manages it(within the Belfast TMA) by delegating the approach function to Aldergrove which then delegates that portion to City during their opening hours.
ANY Air Traffic Controller will handle traffic in a method which gets it OFF his/her frequency as quickly as possible. In this case I am referring to IFR traffic. Your beef with being separated as a VFR aircraft is quite separate(and I actually agree with you...that shouldn't happen)
The fantasy that ATC spends its time delaying other traffic for reasons other than expedition is just wrong.
So far as "not helping" .
http://www.nats-uk.ead-it.com/public...Itemid=74.html
If procedures exist for non radar/procedural arrivals into City and they lose equipment (for WHATEVER reason) what would you as a business man(yeah right) CHARGE for the use of equipment and manpower which had not been contracted for in the first instance? Would you set a precedent and do it for days on end without an invoice at the end of it?
Would you be happy for another agency to operate on your behalf by using a procedure which was NOT authorized nor passed through a Safety Analysis? Who carries the insurance liability for that? City?or Belfast International? or NATS? the Airlines?
A fundamental misunderstanding of how ATC works (although I have long suspected you know more than you let on.Particularly with regard to City)
NATS ALREADY has a monopoly of Airspace management over NI. NERL manages it(within the Belfast TMA) by delegating the approach function to Aldergrove which then delegates that portion to City during their opening hours.
ANY Air Traffic Controller will handle traffic in a method which gets it OFF his/her frequency as quickly as possible. In this case I am referring to IFR traffic. Your beef with being separated as a VFR aircraft is quite separate(and I actually agree with you...that shouldn't happen)
The fantasy that ATC spends its time delaying other traffic for reasons other than expedition is just wrong.
So far as "not helping" .
http://www.nats-uk.ead-it.com/public...Itemid=74.html
If procedures exist for non radar/procedural arrivals into City and they lose equipment (for WHATEVER reason) what would you as a business man(yeah right) CHARGE for the use of equipment and manpower which had not been contracted for in the first instance? Would you set a precedent and do it for days on end without an invoice at the end of it?
Would you be happy for another agency to operate on your behalf by using a procedure which was NOT authorized nor passed through a Safety Analysis? Who carries the insurance liability for that? City?or Belfast International? or NATS? the Airlines?
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Big rumour in Liverpool that Flybe will pull off the route. With load factors around the 45% mark the flight is really struggling and Flybe can utilise the aircraft elsewhere with better return
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If that is the case then maybe FR will operate from BFS. Would that be the third time flybe have tried LPL?
If any route was to fold I would have suggested NCL......very poor numbers
If any route was to fold I would have suggested NCL......very poor numbers
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Having been off work today and the opportunity to get out and about it amazed me how many times BHD was advertised on the radio, Every EI sunshine route got a mention, KLM and its connections and a lengthy ad for SN and the wonders of Belgium!Even popping into a few shops with radio playing the routes were getting an airing, hopefully nobody will say there's been no publicity, I saw a number of buses advertising them too.
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Aer Lingus job cuts?
AER Lingus staff at George Best Belfast City Airport have been given notice that airline may be forced to make some redundancies, it is understood.
However, she added: "There is no planned change to our year-round services from Belfast to London Heathrow or our Summer sun routes to Malaga, Faro, Palma de Mallorca and Alicante.We will continue to provide Aer Lingus employment to resource our Belfast operations."
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Eastern, just back after a trip away, business trip actually. Yeah right! I may have a fundamental misunderstanding of air traffic control and its methods but I can only go on what I have heard from fellow private pilots, other commercial pilots and indeed what controllers say - if that gives me a flawed understanding then thats too bad, thankfully I couldn't care less what you think of me and my opinions.