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And park the aircraft where exactly? Oh wait, I had space on my drive for a B744
Err no, on one of the other 20 + stands that were available, keep your drive free.
Can we see some proof please? To the contrary, Singapore, Etihad, Qatar and Delta were very pleased with MAN, to the point they have chose MAN to handle their extra flights.
Err no...not going to post things like that on here for anyone to see.
Emirates were more than happy with MAN, hence they brought the UAE3 here.
Yes, very unhappy with MAN.....
LOL, where else were they going to send it, Exeter, Doncaster ??? Dont forget your drive is already full with that 744. NEEDS MUST !!!!
So your anger at this notam, when its aimed at conserving stocks, youd rather see MAN accept traffic from all corners of Europe, run out and face what BRU is now facing, total closure. Yes, good plan, im sure our resident airlines will be more than chuffed at that!
Didnt say i was angry, I asked how they could justify it until the end of Jan !!!
I think your talking rubbish to be honest, maybe your anger at not seeing some diverts with no idea how the airports actually run.
Yep you got me with that one, having only worked at Manchester for 20 years i confess i know nothing/nada/zilch.
Manchester bottled it again, as they do everytime now.....but thats what you get when skeleton staff is the norm.
Err no, on one of the other 20 + stands that were available, keep your drive free.
Can we see some proof please? To the contrary, Singapore, Etihad, Qatar and Delta were very pleased with MAN, to the point they have chose MAN to handle their extra flights.
Err no...not going to post things like that on here for anyone to see.
Emirates were more than happy with MAN, hence they brought the UAE3 here.
Yes, very unhappy with MAN.....
LOL, where else were they going to send it, Exeter, Doncaster ??? Dont forget your drive is already full with that 744. NEEDS MUST !!!!
So your anger at this notam, when its aimed at conserving stocks, youd rather see MAN accept traffic from all corners of Europe, run out and face what BRU is now facing, total closure. Yes, good plan, im sure our resident airlines will be more than chuffed at that!
Didnt say i was angry, I asked how they could justify it until the end of Jan !!!
I think your talking rubbish to be honest, maybe your anger at not seeing some diverts with no idea how the airports actually run.
Yep you got me with that one, having only worked at Manchester for 20 years i confess i know nothing/nada/zilch.
Manchester bottled it again, as they do everytime now.....but thats what you get when skeleton staff is the norm.
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I think your talking rubbish to be honest, maybe your anger at not seeing some diverts with no idea how the airports actually run.
Can we see some proof please? To the contrary, Singapore, Etihad, Qatar and Delta were very pleased with MAN, to the point they have chose MAN to handle their extra flights.
It quite honestly doesn't work like that. They found an airport in the UK they ALREADY served that wasn't under several feet of snow with hundreds of frozen heavies cluttering up the stands. It was THAT simple. Any port in a storm I think. There are tens of thousands of people now out of place.
"Err no, on one of the other 20 + stands that were available, keep your drive free." Class!
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Err no, on one of the other 20 + stands that were available, keep your drive free
3 are notam'd as having wip, and have been for a month or so
Then the other stands were reserved for OUR SERVICES that were due in that day. Can you imagine, 'sorry Lufthansa, cant come in as weve parked a BA747 in your spot. Yep that will go down well wont it. You talk about airlines being mad, but can you imagine how pissed off the resident flights would have been.
Err no...not going to post things like that on here for anyone to see.
So basically, in your version, its like this:
Airline A: ''IM so annoyed at you, Im going to send 2 aircraft to you right now in protest!''
Manchester bottled it again
And the MAN thread descends into the playground again!
Couldnt agree more, I see you dont refrain from the same sort of posts
Goodness me. I'm terribly pleased with MAN. Let us reward them by sending our fleet to the North. Perhaps we may sample the glories of the new Etihad First Class lounge! We shall smile most benevolently on MAG plc. Send a new A380 just for the spotters
*and before any more smart arsed trackbacks of times when you have agreed appear, I said Nearly!
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Then the other stands were reserved for OUR SERVICES that were due in that day. Can you imagine, 'sorry Lufthansa, cant come in as weve parked a BA747 in your spot. Yep that will go down well wont it. You talk about airlines being mad, but can you imagine how pissed off the resident flights would have been.
What are you talking about, there were 7 stands in the 200's alone...you know how i know this ??? coz i bloody counted them !!!
Because its not true.
So basically, in your version, its like this:
Airline A: ''IM so annoyed at you, Im going to send 2 aircraft to you right now in protest!''
Are you being serious ??? because i cannot send you taped transcripts of phone calls that were made you are saying its not true ??? look if you have any contacts at the airport that are in any kind of position then i suggest you ask them, they will tell you what you want to know...I also find you very rude to come on here and state that i am making something up.
Yes i saw that we handled a number of diversions, just under 20 in 60 hours, I also know that it is more than most airports, but your missing the point,when the situation was deemed "CRITICAL" by the powers that be in europe, Manchester couldnt handle it because of staff cuts and penny pinching, its these powers that be that are talking about the way Manchester handled things in an hour of need....and believe me they aint being complimentary.
These are facts...not made up drivel, but they are what is being talked....what is being said....nobody has put it on paper, rather than just say i am lying...ask around...if you dont have the contacts....fair enough...but it is being discussed right now.
PS, 2 x CX flights tonight, 1 x 340 and 1 x 747...EIDW and EGLC are both now snoclo until 2100, lets see what happens this time round.
What are you talking about, there were 7 stands in the 200's alone...you know how i know this ??? coz i bloody counted them !!!
Because its not true.
So basically, in your version, its like this:
Airline A: ''IM so annoyed at you, Im going to send 2 aircraft to you right now in protest!''
Are you being serious ??? because i cannot send you taped transcripts of phone calls that were made you are saying its not true ??? look if you have any contacts at the airport that are in any kind of position then i suggest you ask them, they will tell you what you want to know...I also find you very rude to come on here and state that i am making something up.
Yes i saw that we handled a number of diversions, just under 20 in 60 hours, I also know that it is more than most airports, but your missing the point,when the situation was deemed "CRITICAL" by the powers that be in europe, Manchester couldnt handle it because of staff cuts and penny pinching, its these powers that be that are talking about the way Manchester handled things in an hour of need....and believe me they aint being complimentary.
These are facts...not made up drivel, but they are what is being talked....what is being said....nobody has put it on paper, rather than just say i am lying...ask around...if you dont have the contacts....fair enough...but it is being discussed right now.
PS, 2 x CX flights tonight, 1 x 340 and 1 x 747...EIDW and EGLC are both now snoclo until 2100, lets see what happens this time round.
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when the situation was deemed "CRITICAL" by the powers that be in europe, Manchester couldnt handle it because of staff cuts and penny pinching
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Must confess I agree with ManOfMan
This is no reflection on the gophers out there doing a sterling job but ...
....Two runways, three terminals, God knows how many stands empty and meanwhile aircraft are diverted as far away as Iceland and Majorca !
Lets not have too much back slapping from senior management when we are picking up what are fairly meagre offerings !
With some joined up thinking Manchester should have 3 or 4 747s rolling in every hour, either we are a major gateway or a "typical" regional !
Plan
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and bloody well get stuck in !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is no reflection on the gophers out there doing a sterling job but ...
....Two runways, three terminals, God knows how many stands empty and meanwhile aircraft are diverted as far away as Iceland and Majorca !
Lets not have too much back slapping from senior management when we are picking up what are fairly meagre offerings !
With some joined up thinking Manchester should have 3 or 4 747s rolling in every hour, either we are a major gateway or a "typical" regional !
Plan
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and bloody well get stuck in !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Seriously, your attitude stinks
The level of debate is not great here. Saying my airport coped better than yours is silly as the answer generally involves only one disappearing below a fairly large pile of snow. Currently Gatwick is closed again, because it's snowing heavily. Should the same happen to MAN, that will also happen. BBC have just compared (mainly snow free) STN with (mainly snowed under) LHR and asked why LHR can't cope. I mainly despair at the level of insight. The Transport Sec has just denied any link with the last few snow falls last year, on the BBC. Claiming this is exceptional due to the temperature. And there was I thinking it was all that white stuff that was causing an issue.
Anyway Wanna_be', I hope your fervour is well founded as I'm booked on bmi into MAN on Friday. What's the bets? You might not like my attitude, that's fair enough but as part of open and robust debate, I also find your "fanboy" postings tedious but I'm not going to lose sleep over it. Your last post was pretty childish to be honest.
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Don`t know where all these extra diversions are going to park as the West apron looked pretty damn full to me as was T2
Some people are never happy, there must have been in the region 30/40 widebodies
on the deck at once which other than LHR/LGW is probably 3 to 4 times as many
as anywhere else
The story I have heard about the Cyprus Airways flight turning up with 50 BHX
pax and not telling anybody until it had arrived and needed transport to BHX
Yes beancounters do run the show and they do where I work, carn`t even get the basics sometimes. The days of having guys sat around doing nothing incase it snows has gone, they all have 3 jobs to do yesterday!
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Some people are never happy, there must have been in the region 30/40 widebodies
on the deck at once which other than LHR/LGW is probably 3 to 4 times as many
as anywhere else
The story I have heard about the Cyprus Airways flight turning up with 50 BHX
pax and not telling anybody until it had arrived and needed transport to BHX
Yes beancounters do run the show and they do where I work, carn`t even get the basics sometimes. The days of having guys sat around doing nothing incase it snows has gone, they all have 3 jobs to do yesterday!
Ian B
This thread has become exceedingly tedious with the posts by MoM, WBT & SOE.
Let's just report & discuss airlines etc that do come into Manchester.
The MAG run the airport for the local councils & they are only answerable to their shareholders for their policies. Let's leave it at that. Anyone who doesn't like it neither has to operate or chose to fly from here.
I would never ever fly with easyjet or Ryanair again, but that is my own policy & personal choice.
Just report what is happening and not what coulda woulda shoulda happened-because it's purely subjective.
Let's just report & discuss airlines etc that do come into Manchester.
The MAG run the airport for the local councils & they are only answerable to their shareholders for their policies. Let's leave it at that. Anyone who doesn't like it neither has to operate or chose to fly from here.
I would never ever fly with easyjet or Ryanair again, but that is my own policy & personal choice.
Just report what is happening and not what coulda woulda shoulda happened-because it's purely subjective.
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This thread has become exceedingly tedious with the posts by MoM, WBT & SOE
Who made you head prefect ???
Just report what is happening and not what coulda woulda shoulda happened-because it's purely subjective
Not sure if you missed the weekends happenings whilst busy deciding if other peoples posts were tedious or not but what we were discussing WAS HAPPENING over the weekend
Who made you head prefect ???
Just report what is happening and not what coulda woulda shoulda happened-because it's purely subjective
Not sure if you missed the weekends happenings whilst busy deciding if other peoples posts were tedious or not but what we were discussing WAS HAPPENING over the weekend
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Nice to seem things are the same as ever on here.
Lol, quote of the year!
Methinks a fully paid up member of the RDF (Ringway Defence Force) who is probably quite young and/or rarely travels far from the PC.
Anyway, Merry Christmas everyone. Look forward to more of the same in 2011.
Frankly you're a besotted MAN-fan with nothing sensible to add. A lot of good people have put some points and every one you rattle back with a pro-MAN spin. It's almost religious.
Methinks a fully paid up member of the RDF (Ringway Defence Force) who is probably quite young and/or rarely travels far from the PC.
Anyway, Merry Christmas everyone. Look forward to more of the same in 2011.
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American Airlines to restart Manchester – New York route : Manchester Airport News Stories
Typo?
The airline will run its two non-stop flights a day in Boeing 757-200s with 182 seats.
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Diversions
Seem to be accepting Dublin diversions today, Etihad & Turkish currently
on the way in.
Also appears to an Aer Lingus A321 Krakow - Dublin is descending
towards the North West of England.
Pete
The A321 actually is diverting to BHX along with a A320.
on the way in.
Also appears to an Aer Lingus A321 Krakow - Dublin is descending
towards the North West of England.
Pete
The A321 actually is diverting to BHX along with a A320.
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Airlines don't "like" specific airports. They make money from passengers and routes. Airports are an integral part of the system.
All this supportive and competitive stuff about Manchester Airport looks very silly and immature. It is an airport, and not a particularly good one. (Visit SIN, KUL, YVR, CIN and you'll see a good airport. Visit GOI, BOH, TIP, and you'll see a rubbish one). This from pax perspective.
Now if you operate into an airport as a pro pilot, you'll get a very different impression. MAN ATC is generally very good, (no weather radar though) but once one has negotiated the tortuous ground routes onto a badly equipped stand, handling is generally poor. As for r/w and taxiway maintenance, again 3/10 at best. A lot of money seems to have been wasted making MAN a shopping mall, but that's just my view.
All this supportive and competitive stuff about Manchester Airport looks very silly and immature. It is an airport, and not a particularly good one. (Visit SIN, KUL, YVR, CIN and you'll see a good airport. Visit GOI, BOH, TIP, and you'll see a rubbish one). This from pax perspective.
Now if you operate into an airport as a pro pilot, you'll get a very different impression. MAN ATC is generally very good, (no weather radar though) but once one has negotiated the tortuous ground routes onto a badly equipped stand, handling is generally poor. As for r/w and taxiway maintenance, again 3/10 at best. A lot of money seems to have been wasted making MAN a shopping mall, but that's just my view.
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You are partly correct in saying MAN has spent a fortune creating a shopping Mall but its not wasted as thats what the traveling public like and expect, it is also an essential revenue stream to keep the airport in profit.
In relation to taxiway routes yes I agree its pretty complicated but MAG have tried very hard to simplify and re-lay acres of concrete at massive expense, the work continues and the runway 1 resurfacing is about to start again.
Its very unfair to compare state of the art airports built from scratch with UK airports which have to work with 1950s layouts.
Personally I think the biggest single thing that has altered the way airports manage in a crisis is the relentless cost cutting and staff reductions, I dont think Manchester airport staff have the passion to get things done like they used to, erosion of pay and H & S regulations have seen to that
You are partly correct in saying MAN has spent a fortune creating a shopping Mall but its not wasted as thats what the traveling public like and expect, it is also an essential revenue stream to keep the airport in profit.
In relation to taxiway routes yes I agree its pretty complicated but MAG have tried very hard to simplify and re-lay acres of concrete at massive expense, the work continues and the runway 1 resurfacing is about to start again.
Its very unfair to compare state of the art airports built from scratch with UK airports which have to work with 1950s layouts.
Personally I think the biggest single thing that has altered the way airports manage in a crisis is the relentless cost cutting and staff reductions, I dont think Manchester airport staff have the passion to get things done like they used to, erosion of pay and H & S regulations have seen to that
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"No div NOTAM" Possible weather related:
TAF EGCC 211702Z 2118/2224 03005KT 9999 SCT035 TEMPO 2118/2210 5000 -SN BKN012 PROB30 TEMPO 2120/2206 1500 SN BKN007
MEN take on why MAN was only closed for a couple of short periods
But CX257 and EY017 showing on the arrivals board for tomorrow. So if you plan it in, you may be able to get away with it?!
TAF EGCC 211702Z 2118/2224 03005KT 9999 SCT035 TEMPO 2118/2210 5000 -SN BKN012 PROB30 TEMPO 2120/2206 1500 SN BKN007
MEN take on why MAN was only closed for a couple of short periods
But CX257 and EY017 showing on the arrivals board for tomorrow. So if you plan it in, you may be able to get away with it?!
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But CX257 and EY017 showing on the arrivals board for tomorrow