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Old 24th Dec 2010, 20:16
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Don't know if you mean about weather but SLF check BBC, airports and airlines use more respected forecasting!
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Don't know if you mean about weather but SLF check BBC, airports and airlines use more respected forecasting!
Doesn't it all come from the same source anyway?

One thing I'm sure we can all agree on - Manchester's December figures will be considerably higher than last year!
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Merry Christmas to all members of the forum


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Old 25th Dec 2010, 09:01
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yes....merry christmas to one and all, have a great day................
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Old 26th Dec 2010, 13:16
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Snow clearance at airports....

Some very interesting debates on this forum, with a few strange responses from members who are not fully aware of Airport/Airline maintenance procedures but then again- I don't know everything about either, but i've heard from a few people who know more than most!

......Let's say you were out in your garden mowing the lawn, and accidentally ran over the mowers power cable and not only blew the fuse in the unit, but also the fuse in your house causing all your appliances to fail, what would you do?
I'd unplug, reset the fuse to get everything up and running in the house and then repair or replace the power lead and finish the task of mowing the lawn. I'd then sit down with a beer and re-tell the tale to the missus how i saved the day (even though i caused the problem in the first place).

Now let's say you are an airport operator in a far away place- it's snowing so you send a team out to clear, let's say a main runway. Unfortunately an operator damages some runway lighting which causes a complete failure of the runway lighting system- what do you, as the manager do?
Do you try and fix the fault and explain to members of the public what actually happened? Or would you lie to the government and the thousands of people who are now trapped/locked out- "due to unprecedented heavy snowfall and single runway operations".
The problem is once you've started the lie gets bigger and the only way out is to continually explain to anyone who cares, anything but the truth, because if you tell someone something enough times, they will eventually believe it. Ask yourself why no-one even attempted to clear the second runway until days after the event. Why all the lies? Is it because weather related incidences which cause airport closures are acts of God, therefore the company is not liable- or am i being sceptical (again).
I think MAN Airport have done an excellent job with their snow and ice clearance! They've worked non-stop all day and night for the past week or so.

I understand XXX have had the same problems with as much snowfall as XXX, but they reached a point where the snowfall became so heavy they were fighting a losing battle and so waited for an easing of conditions and then resumed the snow clearance as soon as possible.
The staff at XXX did the same but there's no point in clearing a runway with no working lights is there? so why not just concentrate on the other servicable one eh....
Well done again to all the snow clearance operators but the managment at BAA XXX and the government who MUST have been aware of what actually happened, must be held accountable for their lies to the paying public.
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Old 28th Dec 2010, 14:39
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Just reading flyertalk, and it seems a few Cathay Pacific are sending out presentations documenting the new business class seats, the new flights to ORD/RUH, and that MAN/ZRH are going to be opened by the end of 2011.

Should be good.
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Old 28th Dec 2010, 16:00
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I think this needs to be direct !

If CX are coming into the market surely they have to offer a VERY competitive edge . By Nov 2010 EK will "probably" be at 3 a day !

Simply plonking a flight into Manchester and expecting to fill it based on what happened 10 years back will not work these days ! Possible its a toe in the water BUT I think they really do need to offer something different !

The EK standard of service, fares. frequency and type has really changed the game !
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Old 28th Dec 2010, 16:06
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I think this needs to be direct !

If CX are coming into the market surely they have to offer a VERY competitive edge . By Nov 2010 EK will "probably" be at 3 a day !

Simply plonking a flight into Manchester and expecting to fill it based on what happened 10 years back will not work these days ! Possible its a toe in the water BUT I think they really do need to offer something different !

The EK standard of service, fares. frequency and type has really changed the game !
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Old 28th Dec 2010, 19:55
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At the moment they are still a little short of aircraft and will take a little time to get people to realise that Manchester has it`s own direct flight so give it a year or so
and then non stop, also CX carry so much cargo they will probably take most of the cargo space

138,000 pax travel down to London to fly to HKG so I`m sure they won`t mind a stop at ZRH

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Old 28th Dec 2010, 21:11
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CX Start Hkg-Zrh-Man-Zrh-Hkg With 777-300 On 26th October. 5 Times per week.
Hopefully within a year of starting it will go non-stop
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Old 28th Dec 2010, 23:04
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CX News

Well this CX news is very interesting, not for the service but the impending action of Rampman :
'm with you on that spannersatcx you will never see a CX passenger flight in MAN if ever they like to play down at LHR if they do come to MAN i will eat my hat whilst i do a jig up taxiway delta ontop of a tug

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As Ian points out 138,000 still transit LHR from MAN to HKG despite the EK, QR, EY services. I always use SWR or LH. However time is a factor & I'd rather fly on the same aircraft with a small tech stop than a transit & plane change in the middle of the night.
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Old 29th Dec 2010, 08:51
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also CX carry so much cargo they will probably take most of the cargo space
Most likely where CX is looking at. All eastbound aircraft seem to go out brimming with cargo and I'm sure CX with their 77Ws want a piece of the action.

Will be great to see them back at MAN - one of the world's true gems.
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Old 29th Dec 2010, 10:30
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If I book MAN-ZRH-HKG do I have to get off at ZRH both ways to reclear security?
I think SQ have to go through security at MUC both ways?

Excellent news for MAN!
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Old 29th Dec 2010, 10:33
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I think this needs to be direct !

If CX are coming into the market surely they have to offer a VERY competitive edge . By Nov 2010 EK will "probably" be at 3 a day !
It will all depend on how they sell the flight. By going via ZRH, in terms of HKG traffic, they will be at no disadvantage to EK/EY so on, but like I sayit will depend on how many seat are available at MAN and price.
If you think of it though, CX can market the same plane service to HKG, and its well known by both HKG/MAN markets, so could prove sucessfull

Singapore for example, is still sucessfull here. People seem to think people steer away due to the MUC stop, but its actually the fact they cant get seats on the service thats the issue.

Good luck to them I say!
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Old 29th Dec 2010, 10:43
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If I book MAN-ZRH-HKG do I have to get off at ZRH both ways to reclear security?
I think SQ have to go through security at MUC both ways?
Genuinly not sure? Will be interesting to see.

Seems the government could be comming to its senses RE APD:

Departure tax rates could help regional airports - Manchester Evening News_
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Old 29th Dec 2010, 11:06
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BA and CX are the two biggest benefactors for students from UK to HKG by some way - and this is a massive market for them as it mainly relies around the peak travel periods, hence higher revenues.

There are a considerable number of private/boarding schools in the North West alone that would help fill the CX aircraft up to HKG, not to mention other cities near by plus the 000's of Chinese people living in Manchester. Manchester United being in the city is just the cherry on top of the cake!

CX could make MAN daily non-stop and it would be full, both cabin and belly almost everyday of the week. The HKG market, as figures show, is massive in the NW.

Also of note - CX's 77Ws are 3 class - another F class carrier at MAN.

This the airport that can't support F?
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Old 29th Dec 2010, 11:19
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CX could make MAN daily non-stop and it would be full, both cabin and belly almost everyday of the week
Wow that's all very clear and straightforward. What utter fools they were for leaving such an obvious goldmine. *cue the "It was all BA's fault chorus"*

I think the F offering might also have something more to do with ZRH than MAN in the same way SQ is offered on the back of the MUC service.

Singapore for example, is still sucessfull here
Singapore is still serving MAN but as a tag on from MUC. The real problem arises if MUC becomes succesful enough to offer a dedicated B77W which leaves MAN with either it's own dedicated B77W or the return of the B77E which didn't work too well it seems. Personally I would prefer a daily non stop SQ B77W but up against the Gulf carriers I don't see it realistically.

Here's a thought. Are Cathay going to be in Terminal 3 I wonder? Gate 44 can manage a B744 so a B77W would be just about a fit.
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Old 29th Dec 2010, 12:04
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Here's a thought. Are Cathay going to be in Terminal 3 I wonder? Gate 44 can manage a B744 so a B77W would be just about a fit.
A 77W would probably be a bit too long for 44. Stand 55 should be ok though.
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Old 29th Dec 2010, 12:34
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Wow that's all very clear and straightforward. What utter fools they were for leaving such an obvious goldmine. *cue the "It was all BA's fault chorus"*
I'll ignore the sarcasm. Over the past couple of years, no the route wouldn't have worked. Certainly come W11/12 the economy, certainly in the aviation industry, will look brighter.

I never said it would be a "goldmine;" planes don't always make money when full. I just pointed out that there would be demand for it.

Personally I would prefer a daily non stop SQ B77W but up against the Gulf carriers I don't see it realistically.
Very true. The problem for SQ is the flight distance. They are burning fuel to carry fuel - more so than the M.E. carriers. One of the few downfalls of the 77L. Although SIN bound passengers a non-stop flight would be worth paying a premium for SQ as opposed to EK - how many passengers are actually stopping in SIN as opposed to flying on to OZ, NZ etc? A journey they could make in more manageable steps with EK/QR/EY?

Again, maybe cargo can save MAN's sole with SQ.
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Old 29th Dec 2010, 13:24
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im not a football fanatic, but i always thought man utd were in trafford and not manchester...... isnt city that are in manchester, as they are called after the city...hence manchester city, utd started as newton heath, then moved to trafford, not manchester....
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