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Don't know if you mean about weather but SLF check BBC, airports and airlines use more respected forecasting!
One thing I'm sure we can all agree on - Manchester's December figures will be considerably higher than last year!
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Snow clearance at airports....
Some very interesting debates on this forum, with a few strange responses from members who are not fully aware of Airport/Airline maintenance procedures but then again- I don't know everything about either, but i've heard from a few people who know more than most!
......Let's say you were out in your garden mowing the lawn, and accidentally ran over the mowers power cable and not only blew the fuse in the unit, but also the fuse in your house causing all your appliances to fail, what would you do?
I'd unplug, reset the fuse to get everything up and running in the house and then repair or replace the power lead and finish the task of mowing the lawn. I'd then sit down with a beer and re-tell the tale to the missus how i saved the day (even though i caused the problem in the first place).
Now let's say you are an airport operator in a far away place- it's snowing so you send a team out to clear, let's say a main runway. Unfortunately an operator damages some runway lighting which causes a complete failure of the runway lighting system- what do you, as the manager do?
Do you try and fix the fault and explain to members of the public what actually happened? Or would you lie to the government and the thousands of people who are now trapped/locked out- "due to unprecedented heavy snowfall and single runway operations".
The problem is once you've started the lie gets bigger and the only way out is to continually explain to anyone who cares, anything but the truth, because if you tell someone something enough times, they will eventually believe it. Ask yourself why no-one even attempted to clear the second runway until days after the event. Why all the lies? Is it because weather related incidences which cause airport closures are acts of God, therefore the company is not liable- or am i being sceptical (again).
I think MAN Airport have done an excellent job with their snow and ice clearance! They've worked non-stop all day and night for the past week or so.
I understand XXX have had the same problems with as much snowfall as XXX, but they reached a point where the snowfall became so heavy they were fighting a losing battle and so waited for an easing of conditions and then resumed the snow clearance as soon as possible.
The staff at XXX did the same but there's no point in clearing a runway with no working lights is there? so why not just concentrate on the other servicable one eh....
Well done again to all the snow clearance operators but the managment at BAA XXX and the government who MUST have been aware of what actually happened, must be held accountable for their lies to the paying public.
......Let's say you were out in your garden mowing the lawn, and accidentally ran over the mowers power cable and not only blew the fuse in the unit, but also the fuse in your house causing all your appliances to fail, what would you do?
I'd unplug, reset the fuse to get everything up and running in the house and then repair or replace the power lead and finish the task of mowing the lawn. I'd then sit down with a beer and re-tell the tale to the missus how i saved the day (even though i caused the problem in the first place).
Now let's say you are an airport operator in a far away place- it's snowing so you send a team out to clear, let's say a main runway. Unfortunately an operator damages some runway lighting which causes a complete failure of the runway lighting system- what do you, as the manager do?
Do you try and fix the fault and explain to members of the public what actually happened? Or would you lie to the government and the thousands of people who are now trapped/locked out- "due to unprecedented heavy snowfall and single runway operations".
The problem is once you've started the lie gets bigger and the only way out is to continually explain to anyone who cares, anything but the truth, because if you tell someone something enough times, they will eventually believe it. Ask yourself why no-one even attempted to clear the second runway until days after the event. Why all the lies? Is it because weather related incidences which cause airport closures are acts of God, therefore the company is not liable- or am i being sceptical (again).
I think MAN Airport have done an excellent job with their snow and ice clearance! They've worked non-stop all day and night for the past week or so.
I understand XXX have had the same problems with as much snowfall as XXX, but they reached a point where the snowfall became so heavy they were fighting a losing battle and so waited for an easing of conditions and then resumed the snow clearance as soon as possible.
The staff at XXX did the same but there's no point in clearing a runway with no working lights is there? so why not just concentrate on the other servicable one eh....
Well done again to all the snow clearance operators but the managment at BAA XXX and the government who MUST have been aware of what actually happened, must be held accountable for their lies to the paying public.
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Just reading flyertalk, and it seems a few Cathay Pacific are sending out presentations documenting the new business class seats, the new flights to ORD/RUH, and that MAN/ZRH are going to be opened by the end of 2011.
Should be good.
Should be good.
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I think this needs to be direct !
If CX are coming into the market surely they have to offer a VERY competitive edge . By Nov 2010 EK will "probably" be at 3 a day !
Simply plonking a flight into Manchester and expecting to fill it based on what happened 10 years back will not work these days ! Possible its a toe in the water BUT I think they really do need to offer something different !
The EK standard of service, fares. frequency and type has really changed the game !
If CX are coming into the market surely they have to offer a VERY competitive edge . By Nov 2010 EK will "probably" be at 3 a day !
Simply plonking a flight into Manchester and expecting to fill it based on what happened 10 years back will not work these days ! Possible its a toe in the water BUT I think they really do need to offer something different !
The EK standard of service, fares. frequency and type has really changed the game !
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I think this needs to be direct !
If CX are coming into the market surely they have to offer a VERY competitive edge . By Nov 2010 EK will "probably" be at 3 a day !
Simply plonking a flight into Manchester and expecting to fill it based on what happened 10 years back will not work these days ! Possible its a toe in the water BUT I think they really do need to offer something different !
The EK standard of service, fares. frequency and type has really changed the game !
If CX are coming into the market surely they have to offer a VERY competitive edge . By Nov 2010 EK will "probably" be at 3 a day !
Simply plonking a flight into Manchester and expecting to fill it based on what happened 10 years back will not work these days ! Possible its a toe in the water BUT I think they really do need to offer something different !
The EK standard of service, fares. frequency and type has really changed the game !
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At the moment they are still a little short of aircraft and will take a little time to get people to realise that Manchester has it`s own direct flight so give it a year or so
and then non stop, also CX carry so much cargo they will probably take most of the cargo space
138,000 pax travel down to London to fly to HKG so I`m sure they won`t mind a stop at ZRH
Ian B
and then non stop, also CX carry so much cargo they will probably take most of the cargo space
138,000 pax travel down to London to fly to HKG so I`m sure they won`t mind a stop at ZRH
Ian B
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Well this CX news is very interesting, not for the service but the impending action of Rampman :
can't wait.
As Ian points out 138,000 still transit LHR from MAN to HKG despite the EK, QR, EY services. I always use SWR or LH. However time is a factor & I'd rather fly on the same aircraft with a small tech stop than a transit & plane change in the middle of the night.
'm with you on that spannersatcx you will never see a CX passenger flight in MAN if ever they like to play down at LHR if they do come to MAN i will eat my hat whilst i do a jig up taxiway delta ontop of a tug
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As Ian points out 138,000 still transit LHR from MAN to HKG despite the EK, QR, EY services. I always use SWR or LH. However time is a factor & I'd rather fly on the same aircraft with a small tech stop than a transit & plane change in the middle of the night.
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also CX carry so much cargo they will probably take most of the cargo space
Will be great to see them back at MAN - one of the world's true gems.
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If I book MAN-ZRH-HKG do I have to get off at ZRH both ways to reclear security?
I think SQ have to go through security at MUC both ways?
Excellent news for MAN!
I think SQ have to go through security at MUC both ways?
Excellent news for MAN!
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I think this needs to be direct !
If CX are coming into the market surely they have to offer a VERY competitive edge . By Nov 2010 EK will "probably" be at 3 a day !
If CX are coming into the market surely they have to offer a VERY competitive edge . By Nov 2010 EK will "probably" be at 3 a day !
If you think of it though, CX can market the same plane service to HKG, and its well known by both HKG/MAN markets, so could prove sucessfull
Singapore for example, is still sucessfull here. People seem to think people steer away due to the MUC stop, but its actually the fact they cant get seats on the service thats the issue.
Good luck to them I say!
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If I book MAN-ZRH-HKG do I have to get off at ZRH both ways to reclear security?
I think SQ have to go through security at MUC both ways?
I think SQ have to go through security at MUC both ways?
Seems the government could be comming to its senses RE APD:
Departure tax rates could help regional airports - Manchester Evening News_
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BA and CX are the two biggest benefactors for students from UK to HKG by some way - and this is a massive market for them as it mainly relies around the peak travel periods, hence higher revenues.
There are a considerable number of private/boarding schools in the North West alone that would help fill the CX aircraft up to HKG, not to mention other cities near by plus the 000's of Chinese people living in Manchester. Manchester United being in the city is just the cherry on top of the cake!
CX could make MAN daily non-stop and it would be full, both cabin and belly almost everyday of the week. The HKG market, as figures show, is massive in the NW.
Also of note - CX's 77Ws are 3 class - another F class carrier at MAN.
This the airport that can't support F?
There are a considerable number of private/boarding schools in the North West alone that would help fill the CX aircraft up to HKG, not to mention other cities near by plus the 000's of Chinese people living in Manchester. Manchester United being in the city is just the cherry on top of the cake!
CX could make MAN daily non-stop and it would be full, both cabin and belly almost everyday of the week. The HKG market, as figures show, is massive in the NW.
Also of note - CX's 77Ws are 3 class - another F class carrier at MAN.
This the airport that can't support F?
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CX could make MAN daily non-stop and it would be full, both cabin and belly almost everyday of the week
I think the F offering might also have something more to do with ZRH than MAN in the same way SQ is offered on the back of the MUC service.
Singapore for example, is still sucessfull here
Here's a thought. Are Cathay going to be in Terminal 3 I wonder? Gate 44 can manage a B744 so a B77W would be just about a fit.
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Here's a thought. Are Cathay going to be in Terminal 3 I wonder? Gate 44 can manage a B744 so a B77W would be just about a fit.
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Wow that's all very clear and straightforward. What utter fools they were for leaving such an obvious goldmine. *cue the "It was all BA's fault chorus"*
I never said it would be a "goldmine;" planes don't always make money when full. I just pointed out that there would be demand for it.
Personally I would prefer a daily non stop SQ B77W but up against the Gulf carriers I don't see it realistically.
Again, maybe cargo can save MAN's sole with SQ.
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im not a football fanatic, but i always thought man utd were in trafford and not manchester...... isnt city that are in manchester, as they are called after the city...hence manchester city, utd started as newton heath, then moved to trafford, not manchester....