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All this has been achieved through the combined efforts of non-aviation people, (Muirhead, Barron et al).
1. Will you please explain the role of Geoff Muirhead in all this? As Roverman explained the decision to move the Centre (wasn't a sub centre in the later years) was a NATS decision alone. And of course controllers exercising all 3 ratings during a single duty also didn't happen in the later years. With your ATC background you surely knew all this?
The move was mooted 10+ years before it happened, again as Roverman says and an early decision was taken to go to Scotland. And for your information, the Airport Company (prop G Muirhead) lobbied hard to retain the Centre to keep the jobs and skill base in Manchester. But of course it was like farting against thunder as the decision had already been taken for political reasons as much as anything as some Cabinet minister at the time was an MP for the Prestwick area.
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?....doesn't that infringe one of the obstacle surfaces?
Fog, missed approach, 05L. oo'errr!!
Fog, missed approach, 05L. oo'errr!!
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I love this new category of "legacy airlines".
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Scheduled Service to Jeddah
Hello,
I was just perusing the CAA Provisional International Routes data (http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/80/airport_data_prov/201011/November_2010_Provisional_International_Routes.pdf) and it shows 411 scheduled pax to Jeddah. I didn't think there was a scheduled service to Jeddah any more? Can someone enlighten me please?
I was just perusing the CAA Provisional International Routes data (http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/80/airport_data_prov/201011/November_2010_Provisional_International_Routes.pdf) and it shows 411 scheduled pax to Jeddah. I didn't think there was a scheduled service to Jeddah any more? Can someone enlighten me please?
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BOH to return for summer 2011?
What is the consensus when it comes to the BOH route returning for summer next year? It performed quite poorly (45% loads) but it was a mid-day flight.
Was flybe's intention to make it perform badly to warn off competitors and protect their SOU base?
Was flybe's intention to make it perform badly to warn off competitors and protect their SOU base?
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Suzeman,
As far as I am aware, no-one knew that Geoff Muirhead, (or anyone in MA) lobbied to keep the area control centre at Manchester.
Also I believe that most people didn't know that the controller's trade union (Prospect), was, for 14 years, in full supprt of the "Two-Centre Strategy".
This fact wasn't published until immediately after the move had taken place.
As far as I am aware, no-one knew that Geoff Muirhead, (or anyone in MA) lobbied to keep the area control centre at Manchester.
Also I believe that most people didn't know that the controller's trade union (Prospect), was, for 14 years, in full supprt of the "Two-Centre Strategy".
This fact wasn't published until immediately after the move had taken place.
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Interesting news page squirrelled away and posted on the EasyJet website today:
Anyone care to speculate further on their interpretation of the word "significant?"
easyJet announces 13% increase in capacity in Summer 2011
easyJet today published its summer 2011 flying programme which shows an increase in capacity of 13% compared to services operated in summer 2010. easyJet, the UK’s largest airline, is increasing frequency to popular destinations and launching new routes in the UK and across its operations within Europe.
Highlights of the new flying programme include:
Flying over 40 million seats between 27 Mar and 29 Oct 2011
Opening 11 new routes across Europe
Six new routes from London Gatwick - Amman, Izmir, Verona, Bologna, Seville and Aberdeen
Significant increases in flights to and from several leading European cities including:
Manchester
Amsterdam
Barcelona
Geneva
Paris (CDG)
Highlights of the new flying programme include:
Flying over 40 million seats between 27 Mar and 29 Oct 2011
Opening 11 new routes across Europe
Six new routes from London Gatwick - Amman, Izmir, Verona, Bologna, Seville and Aberdeen
Significant increases in flights to and from several leading European cities including:
Manchester
Amsterdam
Barcelona
Geneva
Paris (CDG)
easyJet announces 13% increase in capacity in Summer 2011
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Wrong forum old chap
Hey ZOOKER, how about taking your shoulders with the chips on over to the ATC forum which has been specifically designed to accomadate your whinging about that subject and leave this forum for the discussion of ROUTES, AIRLINES and AIRPORTS?
So with that in mind, I see that both Air Canada and Air Baltic have applied for slots again this summer. It'll be interesting to see if the Canadians actually try to start a service again and if Air Baltic actually run their service more than 2.5 times??
Unless they have something up their sleeves (have it on authority, they haven't), MAN will only see PMI as a new destination next Summer with a 6th aircraft being based, much of it's capacity enabling the return of DLM, BIA, CFU and HER.
Ian Brooks, I highly doubt the LH/BD FRA situation is being done to specifically done to save nightstopping crews. Why does everyone think it's an overly expensive way to operate?
Ian Brooks, I highly doubt the LH/BD FRA situation is being done to specifically done to save nightstopping crews. Why does everyone think it's an overly expensive way to operate?
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Unless they have something up their sleeves (have it on authority, they haven't), MAN will only see PMI as a new destination next Summer with a 6th aircraft being based, much of it's capacity enabling the return of DLM, BIA, CFU and HER
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Well, you could take the easyjet announcement one of 2 ways:
1) The significant increase is just in terms of the 6th based unit and upping frequencies on currently served routes,
or
2) There is about to be some expansion at MAN, that for once, the rumour mill did not get to first. Im tending to got for the former because:
The 'new routes in Britain' is the already announced Palma, and improving frequency, as stated in point 1.
1) The significant increase is just in terms of the 6th based unit and upping frequencies on currently served routes,
or
2) There is about to be some expansion at MAN, that for once, the rumour mill did not get to first. Im tending to got for the former because:
From summer 2011, airline easyJet is set to increase its capacity by 13 per cent from a number of European travel hubs, including Manchester Airport.
The airline will launch new routes in Britain and improve its frequency to popular locals as part of its summer 2011 flying programme.
The airline will launch new routes in Britain and improve its frequency to popular locals as part of its summer 2011 flying programme.
Easy Jet
From my own experience, most of EZY have no idea what the other half of EZY post on their own web-site. So, I wouldn't over analyse anything said there-pinch of salt required.
En route ATC
Zooker, move over to the ATC forum, this is about the aiport routes etc, not about en route ATC services.
Vienna
The old twice daily Lauda CRJs had pretty good suport when they connected to their far east network, but with todays ME carriers at MAN the need for that connection isn't as great at it was. However, it would be a welcome return by Austrian. I contacted Austrian last year & they made it clear they had no interest in returning to MAN, although things can change of course, but I'm not sure where this rumour originated from.
From my own experience, most of EZY have no idea what the other half of EZY post on their own web-site. So, I wouldn't over analyse anything said there-pinch of salt required.
En route ATC
Zooker, move over to the ATC forum, this is about the aiport routes etc, not about en route ATC services.
Vienna
The old twice daily Lauda CRJs had pretty good suport when they connected to their far east network, but with todays ME carriers at MAN the need for that connection isn't as great at it was. However, it would be a welcome return by Austrian. I contacted Austrian last year & they made it clear they had no interest in returning to MAN, although things can change of course, but I'm not sure where this rumour originated from.
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I didn`t say specifficaly to save money on night stopping but that is one consideration
as has happened with Air France/Flybe and I was told by a station manager a few years ago the costs of night stopping are quite considerable
Ian B
as has happened with Air France/Flybe and I was told by a station manager a few years ago the costs of night stopping are quite considerable
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I believe that the Lufthansa pilots are quite well remunerated in comparison with the bmi crews flying the same A320 type aircraft. It's similar to what BA used to do with CityFlyer Express and what Lufthansa tried to do with Lufthansa Italia.
There will be a cost saving on using the bmi guys and it won't just be on hotels. Needless to say this is all making the German based Lufthansa crew a bit cross and led recently to strike action.
There will be a cost saving on using the bmi guys and it won't just be on hotels. Needless to say this is all making the German based Lufthansa crew a bit cross and led recently to strike action.
Well to be in keeping with 10 aircraft by 2012, I always thought that just adding 1 more aircraft knocks that target off course. However, my info came from the head of commerical at Easyjet who said at the time that only PMI would be launched as there wouldn't be room for anymore expansion in terms of aircraft utilisation.
Now of course this could purely be a red herring and such colleagues will not always divulge all information but PMI materialised and the current schedule for next Summer is now chocker so to speak.
Now of course this could purely be a red herring and such colleagues will not always divulge all information but PMI materialised and the current schedule for next Summer is now chocker so to speak.