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dd - i was only commenting on airport charges- not a/c.. in total there is about 50 line items that have a financial number attached to them to be taken into consideration in writing an airline business plan.
The prospectus for raising money in the city for an airline will typically be 100 pages of data and numbers - and they need to stack up..... - but hey i for one would not be talking about it if it didnt have legs...!!
The prospectus for raising money in the city for an airline will typically be 100 pages of data and numbers - and they need to stack up..... - but hey i for one would not be talking about it if it didnt have legs...!!
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Indeed - I added my comment because this thread attracts a number of local novices, and I was concerned lest they go away with the belief that a turboprop operation can run on £200 per rotation.
Indeed - I added my comment because this thread attracts a number of local novices, and I was concerned lest they go away with the belief that a turboprop operation can run on £200 per rotation.
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back in your prams kids.
the point was... 106 seats at £1 each = £106.
obviously this doesnt pay for the beer and crisps let alone the insignificant cost of fuel and salary!
nice to see deedave at his negative best again
and as for the council bending over backwards, well i think a visit to a chiropractice would do them good. latest investment wheeze is to support a load of chinees companies supposedly gagging to relocate to thanet, maybe this could be a kickstart ?
the point was... 106 seats at £1 each = £106.
obviously this doesnt pay for the beer and crisps let alone the insignificant cost of fuel and salary!
nice to see deedave at his negative best again
and as for the council bending over backwards, well i think a visit to a chiropractice would do them good. latest investment wheeze is to support a load of chinees companies supposedly gagging to relocate to thanet, maybe this could be a kickstart ?
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Deedave, I agree there are a lot of local novices on here but I dont think they are all stupid as you imply.
There are a lot of Locals that want to see the airport make good and are
trying to keep abreast of what is going on. I think any new venture may need a bit of support from the local novices.
There are a lot of Locals that want to see the airport make good and are
trying to keep abreast of what is going on. I think any new venture may need a bit of support from the local novices.
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Indeed - I added my comment because this thread attracts a number of local novices, and I was concerned lest they go away with the belief that a turboprop operation can run on £200 per rotation.
When and what does a "local novice" have to do to get accepted by the Brotherhood? Can I borrow the book you read?
When and what does a "local novice" have to do to get accepted by the Brotherhood? Can I borrow the book you read?
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News
According to Kent News, Kent County Council ("KCC") are to invite London mayoral candidate, Boris Johnson, to visit Kent International Airport. Boris is said to have previously described Heathrow as "a planning error", interesting concept!
As an aside, according to another article I read, can't remember which, KCC bought the Manston Business Park from Planestation when it went into liquidation, I knew it had been sold but was not aware it was KCC that bought it.
As an aside, according to another article I read, can't remember which, KCC bought the Manston Business Park from Planestation when it went into liquidation, I knew it had been sold but was not aware it was KCC that bought it.
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please explain more.KENT on SUNDAY had a few reports on Manston.
Caught it on a radio news this morning. Paul Carter, leader of the KCC was saying that Manston can play a vital role in solving the shortage of airport capacity in the region and can easily handle up to a million pax a year.
Caught it on a radio news this morning. Paul Carter, leader of the KCC was saying that Manston can play a vital role in solving the shortage of airport capacity in the region and can easily handle up to a million pax a year.
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Folks, catflaps has got it spot on.
Whether or not he wants a busy airport in his back yard is irrelevant. Read what he wrote in his first paragraph.
Still, I wish Manston well, it has a lot of history in which my Dad played a small part.
Whether or not he wants a busy airport in his back yard is irrelevant. Read what he wrote in his first paragraph.
Still, I wish Manston well, it has a lot of history in which my Dad played a small part.
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CATFLAPS Of course, Manston is a no-goer as an alternative. The approach route passes directly across the town of Ramsgate and thousands of people would suffer a dramatic loss of their quality of life if major expansion took place.
You may find it hard to believe, but if there were to be an expansion thousands of local peoples quality of life could drastically improve.
As for people and complaints, i heard one year 2865 complaints were recieved in reference to noise ect, 2789 were from the same four people!!
Not all the people in London live in the centre, i heard some live in the south of London, if this is true the travelling time to Manston would be greatly reduced.
And on a personal note i think Cameron will be the next PM, not may people want a Scotsman with a fake smile
You may find it hard to believe, but if there were to be an expansion thousands of local peoples quality of life could drastically improve.
As for people and complaints, i heard one year 2865 complaints were recieved in reference to noise ect, 2789 were from the same four people!!
Not all the people in London live in the centre, i heard some live in the south of London, if this is true the travelling time to Manston would be greatly reduced.
And on a personal note i think Cameron will be the next PM, not may people want a Scotsman with a fake smile
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I live in south London a few hundred yards from the A2.
It would need a really cheap fare to get me to motor down to Manston. I've nothing against the place, but it's just too far. Under 'normal' traffic conditions I can get to LCY in 10 minutes, LGW in under an hour, LHR in just over an hour and STN in 50 minutes.
It would need a really cheap fare to get me to motor down to Manston. I've nothing against the place, but it's just too far. Under 'normal' traffic conditions I can get to LCY in 10 minutes, LGW in under an hour, LHR in just over an hour and STN in 50 minutes.
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You quoting best case. What are "normal traffic conditions" on the M25 or through London exactly?
A2/ M2/Thanet Way is a great drive, hardly ever gets snarled up (I do it most days) and when you get to Manston you can park within 200 yards of the terminal building and not have to pay the extortionate amounts of money other airports charge for you to park your car. And who knows, before the end of the year we may even have a proper airline to fly with as well.
Re the KCC story, there's no mention of Lydd in their piece, do they know something?
A2/ M2/Thanet Way is a great drive, hardly ever gets snarled up (I do it most days) and when you get to Manston you can park within 200 yards of the terminal building and not have to pay the extortionate amounts of money other airports charge for you to park your car. And who knows, before the end of the year we may even have a proper airline to fly with as well.
Re the KCC story, there's no mention of Lydd in their piece, do they know something?
Why do some posters continue to delude themselves into believing MSE has a future as a London 'overspill' airport?
Just look at the distances to Canary Wharf for example:
STN 35 miles 51min drive in average conditions
LTN 37 miles 66 min drive
SEN 38 miles 65 min drive
BIG 17 miles 47 min drive
MSE 72 miles 96 min drive
Why would anyone choose MSE as opposed to any of the above?
By the way, how many LCY diversion did MSE attract yesterday, when SEN and STN were also both below minima?
As a regional airport supporting a very limited number of routes flown by Q400 or ATR - yes. As a freight hub - also yes.
But as a London airport - not a hope.
Just look at the distances to Canary Wharf for example:
STN 35 miles 51min drive in average conditions
LTN 37 miles 66 min drive
SEN 38 miles 65 min drive
BIG 17 miles 47 min drive
MSE 72 miles 96 min drive
Why would anyone choose MSE as opposed to any of the above?
By the way, how many LCY diversion did MSE attract yesterday, when SEN and STN were also both below minima?
As a regional airport supporting a very limited number of routes flown by Q400 or ATR - yes. As a freight hub - also yes.
But as a London airport - not a hope.
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You would be lucky to get to STN and LTN in the times you've quoted, SEN's got nothing to offer anyway and in any case needs a runway extension and BIG has something in it's lease which prevents it from taking scheduled flights. You could send 'em all down to Lydd I suppose but that really is the a*se end of beyond.
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manstonman, you are forgetting however regardless of how long it takes to drive to Luton or Stansted they do have a high speed rail link from both airports. With East Midlands trains for example it is only 20 minutes from Luton Airport Parkway to St Pancras, something which Manston cannot offer.
The argument regarding the reasons for Manston seems to change all the time. One minute everyone is arguing Manston has a big enough demand in its immediate catchment area to support flights, then you all change and start suggesting it its a viable alternative to London! Surely the failings of EUJet suggests it isn't the latter?
If it really does take 96 mins from London to Manston surely we can consider East Midlands airport as a viable alternative as well, considering I have done that journey about 15 minutes quicker than that!
The argument regarding the reasons for Manston seems to change all the time. One minute everyone is arguing Manston has a big enough demand in its immediate catchment area to support flights, then you all change and start suggesting it its a viable alternative to London!
Surely the failings of EUJet suggests it isn't the latter? If it really does take 96 mins from London to Manston surely we can consider East Midlands airport as a viable alternative as well, considering I have done that journey about 15 minutes quicker than that!
Manstonman
The driving times I quoted are from Google Maps, so I assume they have made some effort to ensure that they are accurate.
SEN has a great deal to offer as a London area airport. The plans in place, which include a 250m runway extension and an on-site rail station, will enable SEN to realise its potential over the next three years.
While there is no guarantee that those plans will come to fruition, they certainly stand a good chance of doing so, as the new owners are likely to have the financial resources to make it happen.
As far as Biggin Hill is concerned, are you unaware of the high volume of bizjet traffic that it now handles? It's not just scheduled flights that a London area airport needs to attract to be a success.
The driving times I quoted are from Google Maps, so I assume they have made some effort to ensure that they are accurate.
SEN has a great deal to offer as a London area airport. The plans in place, which include a 250m runway extension and an on-site rail station, will enable SEN to realise its potential over the next three years.
While there is no guarantee that those plans will come to fruition, they certainly stand a good chance of doing so, as the new owners are likely to have the financial resources to make it happen.
As far as Biggin Hill is concerned, are you unaware of the high volume of bizjet traffic that it now handles? It's not just scheduled flights that a London area airport needs to attract to be a success.