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Think it's time the staff the world why
Are the EI staff having to work longer or harder than anyone else in the industry?
If they are, the public should be told. And no doubt the press will push across the public relaitons side of the issue "Management Bullies" or something of that nature.
However, is this simply a case of coming into line with the rest of the world. We're told every second day that Irish employees are some of the hardest and longest houred workers in the world - be it of our own steam. However, Ireland now has to compete with the rest of the world stage. If EI's costs go out of kilter, it won't be long before DL, CO, AF etc remove them from their routes. And ultimately kills the airline. For us all keeping costs under control is the toughest job. And there is a happy medium somewhere between costs/profit. Again next week EI is going on strike, it costs X million each time they do. Again the public won't be flying EI next week. US pax will fly via newark or Atlanta.............and now just as the higher/premium fares start filling. FR gets to have another field day on Europe.
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If they are, the public should be told. And no doubt the press will push across the public relaitons side of the issue "Management Bullies" or something of that nature.
However, is this simply a case of coming into line with the rest of the world. We're told every second day that Irish employees are some of the hardest and longest houred workers in the world - be it of our own steam. However, Ireland now has to compete with the rest of the world stage. If EI's costs go out of kilter, it won't be long before DL, CO, AF etc remove them from their routes. And ultimately kills the airline. For us all keeping costs under control is the toughest job. And there is a happy medium somewhere between costs/profit. Again next week EI is going on strike, it costs X million each time they do. Again the public won't be flying EI next week. US pax will fly via newark or Atlanta.............and now just as the higher/premium fares start filling. FR gets to have another field day on Europe.
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Eh...no..."corporate Ireland" are glad of a public sector company finally standing up to the unions instead of rolling over as in the past (and the present, for many semi-states...)
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The Halcyon days at Aerlingus are over, with competition on almost every short haul route ex Dublin from Ryanair, cost cutting can't be avoided.
One wonders how much longer they will enjoy a virtual monolpoly on their 14 Continental routes ex Cork having already conceded defeat on Cork Warsaw to Centralwings. Competition is also set to intensify on ORK MAN and ORK BHX with BMI Baby increasing frequency on the former and Ryanair commencing ORK-EMA next month.
One wonders how much longer they will enjoy a virtual monolpoly on their 14 Continental routes ex Cork having already conceded defeat on Cork Warsaw to Centralwings. Competition is also set to intensify on ORK MAN and ORK BHX with BMI Baby increasing frequency on the former and Ryanair commencing ORK-EMA next month.
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In Corporate Ireland all the rage is Partnership. Breaking agreements, forcing strikes and staff lockouts aren't what they had in mind.
List off all the current "disputes" and you get either ex-public service or public service unions kicking off to protect the unreal terms they have been allowed over the years - cancelling surgery because a bunch of tw*ts in an electrical union want to be paid a king's ransom to be on call to change a lightbulb is where it's all at. Or busdrivers crippling the Nortsoide as there is only one location at which they will take their break. Is this "management escalation"? I ask you, is it because management have escalated in those cases, or the cosseted unions can see a train piling down the tunnel at them?
In any case - do EI workers really want to be associated with all that, rightly or wrongly? I haven't seen any Public Servant electricians or bus drivers having to take pain for recent years in order to keep their employer from going belly-up? EI management may be taking advantage and "escalating", but the real world always lurks around the corner ready to bite you on the ass, EI workers don't need to be reminded.
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I quote directly from a TEEU spokesman after a 5 second Google:
http://www.utvinternet.ie/newsroom/i...?id=85693&pt=n
[However, a spokesman for the TEEU said the dispute centres on far more complex issues than just the changing of a lightbulb, but focuses the HSE`s failure to go through a process to resolve the problem.
"This is a dispute that centres around 14 points, all of which have been resolved through the Labour Relations Commission (LRC), one outstanding issue was in relation to the changing of lightbulbs," he said.]
In plain English, that means that there were 14 issues, all which were resolved except changing lightbulbs, which has caused the dispute. You may choose this to mean it's about a dispute resoloution procedure or one of the other 13 things that were resolved, but you'll have to excuse the titters from the back of the class if you do.
http://www.utvinternet.ie/newsroom/i...?id=85693&pt=n
[However, a spokesman for the TEEU said the dispute centres on far more complex issues than just the changing of a lightbulb, but focuses the HSE`s failure to go through a process to resolve the problem.
"This is a dispute that centres around 14 points, all of which have been resolved through the Labour Relations Commission (LRC), one outstanding issue was in relation to the changing of lightbulbs," he said.]
In plain English, that means that there were 14 issues, all which were resolved except changing lightbulbs, which has caused the dispute. You may choose this to mean it's about a dispute resoloution procedure or one of the other 13 things that were resolved, but you'll have to excuse the titters from the back of the class if you do.
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Do you think a quote from UTV mentioning an unnamed spokesperson is cast iron proof of an argument? You could always have a look at the TEEU website.
BTW you will have to stop posting from the classroom. Have you no homework?
BTW you will have to stop posting from the classroom. Have you no homework?
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"BTW you will have to stop posting from the classroom. Have you no homework?"
missterible->Please less of the ad hominems. You actually undermine your point when you throw that in at the end of it.
missterible->Please less of the ad hominems. You actually undermine your point when you throw that in at the end of it.
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The Electricians dispute was actually over unpaid benchmarking pay increases owed since 2001! The 'changing a lightbulb story' was how the management spun it to journos. Looks like you bought it.
http://www.labourcourt.ie/labour/lab...ecommendations
and search for Case LCR18857 issued on 20/03/2007. the recommendation is as follows:
[The dispute before the Court concerns the Union's claim for monies due to four electricians under the terms of the Craftworkers Parallel Benchmarking Agreement and Sustaining Progress. As part of the work reorganisation, Hospital authorities sought the electricians to engage on the Change/Modernisation Agenda of the agreement and directed that certain electric light bulbs should be replaced as required by non-electrician staff. The Union objected maintaining that this was electrician's work and should remain so.
Having considered the Change/Modernisation Agenda, which is an integral part of the Craftworkers Parallel Benchmarking agreement, the Court is of the view that it was not unreasonable to expect electricians to co-operate with the requirement sought by management. Therefore, the Court recommends that the parties should meet to agree a protocol on the changing of light bulbs to be carried out without the involvement of electricians.]
My last word on the subject, and a polite Hint: Just suck it up and move on?
Note: edited the link on 14.11 for the hard of hearing
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Again next week EI is going on strike, it costs X million each time they do.
This is reminiscent of your peers, OneWorld22 and DublinAirgirl, lamenting 'will anyone think of the children'. The problem is though that anyone looking hard enough can clearly see that it is the chiefs decision to strike. It has been their only strategy for months now.
not sure how i got dragged into this one; but strikes do cost money. siptu is calling for other ictu members, ie ialpa, to go out with them. how many pilots do you think will sign up for that one since they're all happy campers now?
This is reminiscent of your peers, OneWorld22 and DublinAirgirl, lamenting 'will anyone think of the children'. The problem is though that anyone looking hard enough can clearly see that it is the chiefs decision to strike. It has been their only strategy for months now.
not sure how i got dragged into this one; but strikes do cost money. siptu is calling for other ictu members, ie ialpa, to go out with them. how many pilots do you think will sign up for that one since they're all happy campers now?
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quick question if any one is kind enough to answer it for me !, im due to fly to mco on sat out off dublin the web is showing its an A330-200 is there ant lap top charging points on it i assume its the older A330 and not the nice new ones thanks.
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missterrible, where in my post did i say i "so detest" staff striking? i merely said strikes cost money. they do. obviously stoppages cost money too -- anything that means planes aren't flying passengers places costs money. 
Serious strikes in Ireland are almost entirely confined to the public sector these days. Also Union membership in the public sector is very high (80% plus ?) compared with the private sector (20% minus ?). Trouble with some Aer Lingus employees and their union people (especially SIPTU) is that they have not quite adjusted to the reality that they are not in the public sector any more. My fear is that SIPTU will use Aer Lingus to create such trouble that future privatisations of state companies (especially in the transport sector) will become politically impossible. That way the SIPTU barons will preserve their little empire, and Aer Lingus and their employees will get sacrificed in the process. So wake up folks!
Sometimes I think that the Aer Lingus SIPTU people act as if they are in the pay of M O’L, they are so brain-dead when it comes to facing the reality of the competition.
Sometimes I think that the Aer Lingus SIPTU people act as if they are in the pay of M O’L, they are so brain-dead when it comes to facing the reality of the competition.
missterrible: I have my prejudices; you have yours. My point is that union officials are quite capable of running their own agenda rather than putting their members' long-term interests first.
Like others, I don't want to get dragged into any un-necessary ad hominem arguments, so let (s)he who is without prejudice cast the first stone.
Like others, I don't want to get dragged into any un-necessary ad hominem arguments, so let (s)he who is without prejudice cast the first stone.
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just observing from afar so forgive if i have got this wrong. SIPTU want IALPA to strike to support them! Where were SIPTU last month when the Pilots needed support? They cant be serious!
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Aer Lingus staff walk out of Mannion meeting
Thursday, 15 November 2007 12:38
Around 125 Aer Lingus workers walked out of a meeting addressed by the company's Chief Executive Dermot Mannion this morning.
Mr Mannion was at the meeting to explain the company's cost cutting proposals.
It is understood that check-in and baggage handling staff from SIPTU walked out as soon as Mr Mannion began to speak.
AdvertisementYesterday, SIPTU applied to the Irish Congress of Trade Unions to sanction an all-out picket at Aer Lingus.
This follows the threats by Aer Lingus management to suspend staff who refuse to give guarantees that they will not participate in planned industrial action on Tuesday and Friday of next week.
A SIPTU source also confirmed that individual staff have written to management telling them not to address any further communications about their contract to their homes and to deal with all matters relating to the contract through their union.
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Around 125 Aer Lingus workers walked out of a meeting addressed by the company's Chief Executive Dermot Mannion this morning.
Mr Mannion was at the meeting to explain the company's cost cutting proposals.
It is understood that check-in and baggage handling staff from SIPTU walked out as soon as Mr Mannion began to speak.
AdvertisementYesterday, SIPTU applied to the Irish Congress of Trade Unions to sanction an all-out picket at Aer Lingus.
This follows the threats by Aer Lingus management to suspend staff who refuse to give guarantees that they will not participate in planned industrial action on Tuesday and Friday of next week.
A SIPTU source also confirmed that individual staff have written to management telling them not to address any further communications about their contract to their homes and to deal with all matters relating to the contract through their union.
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