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Friend of mine works for MON who provide the line maintenence, im sure he said there basing more aircraft there shortly, and considering opening another UK base, so sounds like there doing ok
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Cork base
Cork "base" must be more costly than the others given that crews stay in city centre hotels. I'd imagine the two four star airport hotels would be less expensive. Most of the overseas charter crews stay there.
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Aer Lingus could make a fortune in Belfast if they just thought outside the box a little. If they would try routes that the don't serve from Dublin such as routes to Turkey, Greece, routes that the tour operators dominate. They obviously do a good job taking them on the typical sun routes, and my family always book flights and hotels as its so much cheaper than travel agents.
Does anyone else agree?
Does anyone else agree?
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Cork "base" must be more costly than the others given that crews stay in city centre hotels. I'd imagine the two four star airport hotels would be less expensive. Most of the overseas charter crews stay there.
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Aer Lingus could make a fortune in Belfast if they just thought outside the box a little.
I would agree to some extent; in summer some markets could do well where the volume exists eg some of the Greek Islands and the 320 is a good size for this on a seasonal basis.
However, the winter is the challenge for a 320 with 172 seats in new markets. Milan is the example. some flights had less than 20 passengers and many of these probably at the lowest fares.
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i havnt heard anything about a BFS-SNN.. only thing i heard awhile ago was an aircraft operating a W pattern for the extra LHR rotation, but dont know if it would be pax carrying or positioning
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Is It True That Aer Lingus are soon going to be Flying Belfas-Shannon again?
There's never been a stand-alone service between Belfast and Shannon, and I don't think there ever will be.
So, to answer your question - no it's not true.
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From Afskap :
Remember Ryanair assigns staff members to patrol these boards to defend against anti Ryanair sentement and and for more malevolant purposes (rumour mongering, 'disingenuous' advertising etc etc). This function is also performed by some unpaid members of the public with no known or stated connections to Ryanair who do so for reason or reasons unknown, the agenda of whom one can only speculate upon......
@ Afkasp :
You know, there is such a thing as loyalty of happy customers towards their favourite airline.
No need to speculate further ...
Remember Ryanair assigns staff members to patrol these boards to defend against anti Ryanair sentement and and for more malevolant purposes (rumour mongering, 'disingenuous' advertising etc etc). This function is also performed by some unpaid members of the public with no known or stated connections to Ryanair who do so for reason or reasons unknown, the agenda of whom one can only speculate upon......
@ Afkasp :
You know, there is such a thing as loyalty of happy customers towards their favourite airline.
No need to speculate further ...
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Airlines get much better deals at city hotels rather than airport hotels, and because a certain number of rooms are guaranteed per season/annum you'd be suprised just how cheap the major chains can go.
Airlines get much better deals at city hotels rather than airport hotels, and because a certain number of rooms are guaranteed per season/annum you'd be suprised just how cheap the major chains can go.
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EI Crew Hotels and Restructuring
Airline crew rates in hotels are in most cases surprisingly low.
$75.00 Marriott Los Angeles, for example.(may not be up to date)
The major cost to the airline is transportation from the airports to the hotels.
There is no doubt that EI will be looking at every cost in their latest restructuring, including hotel/transportation costs.
The real savings to be made by crew are in reducing the days spent away and
rest periods after flights,complete flexibility between US and European flights(pilots),removal of all the "Spanish practices" and allowances. The introduction of pay per hour of flight duty will be considered along with up to 20% pay cut. EI pension contribution to the pilots scheme be reduced to equal the general staff fund.
Other areas will also be targeted, especially Catering and baggage handling.
All SNN t/a flights to origin/end in DUB.
And lots more than we every imagined possible.
The only other choice, welcome to MOL
$75.00 Marriott Los Angeles, for example.(may not be up to date)
The major cost to the airline is transportation from the airports to the hotels.
There is no doubt that EI will be looking at every cost in their latest restructuring, including hotel/transportation costs.
The real savings to be made by crew are in reducing the days spent away and
rest periods after flights,complete flexibility between US and European flights(pilots),removal of all the "Spanish practices" and allowances. The introduction of pay per hour of flight duty will be considered along with up to 20% pay cut. EI pension contribution to the pilots scheme be reduced to equal the general staff fund.
Other areas will also be targeted, especially Catering and baggage handling.
All SNN t/a flights to origin/end in DUB.
And lots more than we every imagined possible.
The only other choice, welcome to MOL
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EI-AAA , you seem to be well informed regarding the impending attack on AL pilots pay and working conditions or are you just middle management talking through your ars@.
Lets hope Herr Mueller quickly identifies where the real problems lie within...
Lets hope Herr Mueller quickly identifies where the real problems lie within...
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Fuel Hedging Cock up !
Its interesting to hear everyones views on EI cuts etc. I am amazed by how little coverage the EI Fuel Hedging policy in 2008 has got. The CFO before Mr Coyle was removed from his position fairly discreetly to make way for Coyle. Was The former CFO Greg O'Sullivan responsible for poorly managing the airlines Fuel Hedging ??? I also noticed EI recruited a new Treasurey Executive back in late 08 too. Muller must love a challenge coz CEO of EI right now is a very tough job. Its not all about cost cutting EI need to further enhance productivity and aircraft utilisation. I researched their aircraft utilisation for both their aircraft based at BFS for this November. EI will operate 56 flights a week with 2 aircraft from BFS. Across the other side of the city at BHD, Ryanair will operate 70 flights a week with just one aircraft. I will post the schedule up if people dont believe me. People can argue about hourly utilisation rates etc but I think my figures give a clear picture of how Ryanair deploy their aircraft more efficiently compared to those of Aer Lingus.
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EI-RB
You are correct that the utilisation of the BFS EI A320 is poor. However, for the most part their hands are tied on this. The LHR schedule is not very flexible re landing and take off times.
In addition, because no other short routes are available the max daily rotations that EI can get in including a sector like BFS ACE is 2.
I dont see that this will increase. The closest routes that are slightly shorter are CDG and AMS both of which are either being discontinued or gone already.
In Dublin it is not so slack in terms of utilisation.
EI-BUD
You are correct that the utilisation of the BFS EI A320 is poor. However, for the most part their hands are tied on this. The LHR schedule is not very flexible re landing and take off times.
In addition, because no other short routes are available the max daily rotations that EI can get in including a sector like BFS ACE is 2.
I dont see that this will increase. The closest routes that are slightly shorter are CDG and AMS both of which are either being discontinued or gone already.
In Dublin it is not so slack in terms of utilisation.
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On utilisation - yes Aer Lingus not overly effective at Belfast - one reason is that it is almost impossible to combine the London slots with other flights. However it's not we dont believe you, but returns to Liverpool and Prestwick with 25 mins turnarounds cant be compared with Munich & Faro.... Also Ryanair often have more than 1 aircraft in BHD as some flights are served from other bases.
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Ryanair often have more than 1 aircraft in BHD as some flights are served from other bases
BHD - STN x 2 daily
BHD - LPL x 1 daily
BHD - PIK x 1 daily
BUD - BRS x 1 daily
The LHR schedule is not very flexible re landing and take off times.
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If your talking about the utilization of the Gatwick based planes, then i can assure you they are well used. A common theme between them is to depart from LGW before 7am then dont stop for more than an hour untill after 9pm. I have somewhere the complete schedules for Aer Lingus' Summer program for next year (what we see on the website) which i could post tomorrow or somewhen. One thing i noted when i researched into it, is that Gatwick will have 7 aircraft next Summer (at least) to operate all the flights within the booking system, with some gaps for new routes and such. Like i say, ill post this tomorrow just to save you wasting a couple of hours.
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Ok going to correct myself slightly. When i initially looked into this i just used notepad which was not too clear however after putting into XLS its much clearer now and im able to highlight a couple of mistakes. For example, i first had a LGW based aircraft operating DUB, which isnt possible. So the end results is that moving forward, with no new routes Gatwick will have 6 based planes next summer with 2 or 3 different ones flying in on the Dublin each day.
So in the above image is what looks to be the summer schedules per aircraft for the Gatwick base, notice that neither ACE nor EIN appear on these schedules thus there being space in Line 4 for a flight approx 1 hour 5 min (Daily) and Line 6 for an afternoon 3 weekly service similar to TFS, perhaps somewhere in Greece or Turkey, who knows.
But yeah, theres the research i had, hope this helps
So in the above image is what looks to be the summer schedules per aircraft for the Gatwick base, notice that neither ACE nor EIN appear on these schedules thus there being space in Line 4 for a flight approx 1 hour 5 min (Daily) and Line 6 for an afternoon 3 weekly service similar to TFS, perhaps somewhere in Greece or Turkey, who knows.
But yeah, theres the research i had, hope this helps
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Cork rotations are fairly easy to figure out. There's one aircraft that does London 4 times a day. This is usually an A321, although in summer it's sometimes an A320, so that the A321 can be used on the sun routes.
Other than that there's generally 3 return flights a day. For example
ORK-FAO-ORK
ORK-BHX-ORK
ORK-AMS-ORK
or
ORK-AGP-ORK
ORK-MAN-ORK
ORK-BCN-ORK
The only exception to this is one aircraft in the Winter timetable that does 2 returns a day
ORK-GVA/MUC-ORK
ORK-TFS-ORK
Aircraft with the exception of London start before 7am and with the exception of the aircraft that operates the evening Amsterdam service return after 10pm
Seeing that Faro, Amsteram, Munich etc. can't be moved so that they are as close to Cork as Bristol or Liverpool, it's hard to see how much more utilisation could be eeked out. You could perhaps cut down turnaround times and squeeze in a rotation to the UK from the aircraft that arrives back from Amsterdam at 9:30pm or maybe something more could be done with the aircraft that goes to Tenerife; there is after all one aircraft that gets to do
ORK-AMS-ORK
ORK-CDG-ORK
ORK-ACE-ORK
in the Winter timetable.
Against that, you've got to wonder about potentially running routes at a loss. Last Winter (although thankfully not this one), there were aircraft that just had rotations missing because to operate them would have meant a loss.
Other than that there's generally 3 return flights a day. For example
ORK-FAO-ORK
ORK-BHX-ORK
ORK-AMS-ORK
or
ORK-AGP-ORK
ORK-MAN-ORK
ORK-BCN-ORK
The only exception to this is one aircraft in the Winter timetable that does 2 returns a day
ORK-GVA/MUC-ORK
ORK-TFS-ORK
Aircraft with the exception of London start before 7am and with the exception of the aircraft that operates the evening Amsterdam service return after 10pm
Seeing that Faro, Amsteram, Munich etc. can't be moved so that they are as close to Cork as Bristol or Liverpool, it's hard to see how much more utilisation could be eeked out. You could perhaps cut down turnaround times and squeeze in a rotation to the UK from the aircraft that arrives back from Amsterdam at 9:30pm or maybe something more could be done with the aircraft that goes to Tenerife; there is after all one aircraft that gets to do
ORK-AMS-ORK
ORK-CDG-ORK
ORK-ACE-ORK
in the Winter timetable.
Against that, you've got to wonder about potentially running routes at a loss. Last Winter (although thankfully not this one), there were aircraft that just had rotations missing because to operate them would have meant a loss.