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New rules at Bhd
So the "seats for sale" limit has been increased to 2m. How many are on sale now? How will this limit be checked/enforced? And when Fr want to put millions more seats on sale ex Bhd to all these new continental destinations, who is going to give up capacity to allow them to do it?
Can someone please explain this all to me?
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Can someone please explain this all to me?
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Eastern, it's defo a STAR. Silly and Tedious Arrival Routing. Nobody wanted our ideas before they published it so why start now? Handy hint though, CDA's are best achieved using fmc and pilot interpretation.
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I know its all confusing, and the media appear to be broadcasting it wrong. I was lead to believe that it was originally 1.5m departing and 1.5m arriving giving 3m total. This new review allows for 2m arriving/2m departing giving a total of 4m seats for sale. As for policing it they have been providing over 3million seats for sale for over 2 years now, without penalty, so when they hit 4 million they will just apply for another review and keep on going etc. so in reality the limit does not exist.
I know its all confusing, and the media appear to be broadcasting it wrong. I was lead to believe that it was originally 1.5m departing and 1.5m arriving giving 3m total. This new review allows for 2m arriving/2m departing giving a total of 4m seats for sale. As for policing it they have been providing over 3million seats for sale for over 2 years now, without penalty, so when they hit 4 million they will just apply for another review and keep on going etc. so in reality the limit does not exist.
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FR helps BHD boom!!!
Ryanair helps Belfast City Airport boom : Belfast Airport News Stories
Love then fact that even in the press release it acknowledges Ryanair as "the UK's least favourite airline".
I just hope that if FR get European destinations from BHD, it wont be to compete and get rid of the competition on already established routes, but to give the Northern Irish passengers something new, something we don't already have. At the end of the day, competition or not, the routes currently served from Belfast are at reasonable prices that allow the airline to make a profit, and allow the average bloke on the street to fly. Why then bring in another airline to compete, to offer rediculously cheap fares in the short term, only to bring them back up again to sustainable levels once the competition has fled, and so still be basically left with the service we had originally. And I think as many on these forums seem to agree, its better not to be left with FR operating the route!!!
Love then fact that even in the press release it acknowledges Ryanair as "the UK's least favourite airline".
I just hope that if FR get European destinations from BHD, it wont be to compete and get rid of the competition on already established routes, but to give the Northern Irish passengers something new, something we don't already have. At the end of the day, competition or not, the routes currently served from Belfast are at reasonable prices that allow the airline to make a profit, and allow the average bloke on the street to fly. Why then bring in another airline to compete, to offer rediculously cheap fares in the short term, only to bring them back up again to sustainable levels once the competition has fled, and so still be basically left with the service we had originally. And I think as many on these forums seem to agree, its better not to be left with FR operating the route!!!
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Hi BFS101
I was just reading your post, when Ryanair launch services to continental Europe from BHD, I would be very surprised if they dont simply go on to the well established markets.. eg Barcelona (Girona), Alicante, Paris (Beauvais) and then choose from any of the Aer Lingus BFS routes!
Sad but likely!
I was just reading your post, when Ryanair launch services to continental Europe from BHD, I would be very surprised if they dont simply go on to the well established markets.. eg Barcelona (Girona), Alicante, Paris (Beauvais) and then choose from any of the Aer Lingus BFS routes!
Sad but likely!
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I don't think RYR would be that successful with european routes from NI unless they operated from Aldergrove, BHD is only conviniant for North Down and East Belfast, BFS is handier for everyone else, and as has already been said, the prices aren't that bad from BFS and you get to fly with a decent airline(s)
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I don't know if the location of BHD would put some people off, though it isn't ideal if you're having to come through the city for an early flight and have to sit in rush hour.
I've seen people drive from basically Antrim to Dublin to fly to New York, when BFS is beside them, to be saving maybe only £50 per person. Sure if you're squeezing 5 into a car, it may pay. But some peope automatically see a cheaper fair, and go for it, regardless of the inconvenience because they think they're getting a bargain. Is that not how Ryanair actually gets its passengers, assuming they're getting a bargain!!!
I've seen people drive from basically Antrim to Dublin to fly to New York, when BFS is beside them, to be saving maybe only £50 per person. Sure if you're squeezing 5 into a car, it may pay. But some peope automatically see a cheaper fair, and go for it, regardless of the inconvenience because they think they're getting a bargain. Is that not how Ryanair actually gets its passengers, assuming they're getting a bargain!!!
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Perhaps the name of this thread should just be changed to the ' BFS Supporters Club'. As a regular user of BHD I find it modern, clean and convenient. As for traffic problems, there is no rush hour for early flights. The first wave of earlies are all away by 07:15 - well before road traffic rush hour.
I have even flown with the dreaded Ryanair
. Return flights to Stansted with Mrs Rosemount all in for 2p. Obviously not sustainable for Ryanair but a bargain for me nonetheless. Flights were punctual, smooth and (apart from the infuriating Ryanair jingle) very pleasant.
So come on and give BHD (and all of the airlines that fly from it) a break.
I have even flown with the dreaded Ryanair
. Return flights to Stansted with Mrs Rosemount all in for 2p. Obviously not sustainable for Ryanair but a bargain for me nonetheless. Flights were punctual, smooth and (apart from the infuriating Ryanair jingle) very pleasant.So come on and give BHD (and all of the airlines that fly from it) a break.
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Checking with goldtrail today, they will not offer flights ex Belfast to turkey until the start of July 09 next year.They used Onur Air. A serious reduction as they usually started around april to end of Oct. Any possible replacememts for this?
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Jeez...You told us ages ago that you
a/Didn't want Ryan air to have anything to do with BHD
b/You had made your last post on here
Now you are back whining you were treated to robust banter...
Never mind you ALWAYS brighten my day...well until 2130 then you close down
Bit of "kettle calling the pot black" there then - EZY have been treating passengers like "cannon fodder" ever since they arrived in NI ten years ago!
I just hope you don't get the stream of flak and abuse that I got for supporting BHD in the past.
a/Didn't want Ryan air to have anything to do with BHD
b/You had made your last post on here
Now you are back whining you were treated to robust banter...
Never mind you ALWAYS brighten my day...well until 2130 then you close down
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If NI had a population of 5 million then 3 airports would be fine, its just too small a country for 3 airports, Dublin plus the eastern side of the ROI has only one airport (waterford doesn't really count). People go on about (including me) the inconvienvence of BHD or BFS to people from various locations-if there was only one airport it doesn't matter were the airport is you will get there wherever you are from. While folk are going on about the merits of each airport people are driving down to Dublin in their thousands and actually say how 'handy and convenient it is'-only 1 and a half hours etc. We have 2 airports competing against each other and Dublin is taking the surplus. If there was only one airport, then all airlines would be there and we the customer would have a full choice of swapping between carriers to get to and from any destination served. Infrasture investment would be to one airport blah bla blah. It doesn't matter which Belfast airport is the main one, however for obvious reasons BFS would be the clear preferred option as decided in the early 60's by our forefathers as a safe central location for the major airport in NI.
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Some things never change, "robust banter" would have been OK but, more often it was vicious abuse not only from yourself, I might add.
BTW, Ryanair is all one word, sorry to be pedantic! Just a bit of robust banter as you call it!
Some things never change, "robust banter" would have been OK but, more often it was vicious abuse not only from yourself, I might add.
BTW, Ryanair is all one word, sorry to be pedantic! Just a bit of robust banter as you call it!
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Certainly wouldn't consider myself in a BFS fanclub. BFS needs a vast amount of work, to improve the facilities and make look like something other than from the 60's (except for the check-in hall). BHD is clean and modern and generally pretty efficient place to travel through...
However, I support the economies of scale principle that Northern Ireland Airports together need to compete with Dublin Airport to try to get new operators and new routes. As Gate 22 stated, as convenient as BHD is to people in Belfast and North Down etc, BFS is the only realistic option IF Northern Ireland was to concentrate on one location to provide a larger facility.
As this not really an option at the minute, BHD (I feel) should stick to what it does extremely well. A more business orientated airport for frequent flights to the UK regions. Expansion could be created by shorter European flights to Brussels, Paris etc with bmi or FlyBE, keeping to the business theme. BFS on the other hand is more suited to larger aircraft, later flights and already has the suitable runway.
As stated in my earlier post, while I have no love for Ryanair, IF they brought something new to Northern Ireland, something we were lacking then fair enough, but to come into the market, flood with unsustainable short term low fares on destinations already served, only to replace a carrier that was already on the route, then really I see no gain.
However, I support the economies of scale principle that Northern Ireland Airports together need to compete with Dublin Airport to try to get new operators and new routes. As Gate 22 stated, as convenient as BHD is to people in Belfast and North Down etc, BFS is the only realistic option IF Northern Ireland was to concentrate on one location to provide a larger facility.
As this not really an option at the minute, BHD (I feel) should stick to what it does extremely well. A more business orientated airport for frequent flights to the UK regions. Expansion could be created by shorter European flights to Brussels, Paris etc with bmi or FlyBE, keeping to the business theme. BFS on the other hand is more suited to larger aircraft, later flights and already has the suitable runway.
As stated in my earlier post, while I have no love for Ryanair, IF they brought something new to Northern Ireland, something we were lacking then fair enough, but to come into the market, flood with unsustainable short term low fares on destinations already served, only to replace a carrier that was already on the route, then really I see no gain.
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I have never been vicious.....cutting, sarcastic, drole, witty I WILL accept
You really are the architect of your own misery. You have pounded on ad nauseum with one blinkered view. You sway and swing about on your own petard when I have looked through the archives and published your revisionist views to prick your pomposity.
Frankly your replies irritate me. You sir are a bore and I am glad to introduce you to my ignore list.
EW out!
I have never been vicious.....cutting, sarcastic, drole, witty I WILL accept
You really are the architect of your own misery. You have pounded on ad nauseum with one blinkered view. You sway and swing about on your own petard when I have looked through the archives and published your revisionist views to prick your pomposity.
Frankly your replies irritate me. You sir are a bore and I am glad to introduce you to my ignore list.
EW out!
WM863.....couldn't have put it better myself!
I seem to recall saying many moons ago on here that economics will, eventually sort the "my Belfast airport is better than yours" argument, and I still think that is the case.
I seem to recall saying many moons ago on here that economics will, eventually sort the "my Belfast airport is better than yours" argument, and I still think that is the case.