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Aldergroves' dead nowadays, its as if BA and bmi have left all over again.
It must be one of the emptiest years its had in a while with the credit crunch and all.
It must be one of the emptiest years its had in a while with the credit crunch and all.
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November 2008 figures out for BHD. Compared with same month last year 9.3% drop in terminal passengers. 68% of Belfast/LHR traffic carried by BD which seems to against what EI has been suggesting. Massive 31% drop BHX/BHD have BE cut capacity? FR routes shown substantial growth (due to doubling of capacity from last year-however LF not brilliant especially Prestwick) STN down slightly.
BFS London routes out except Luton. All down, except LHR which hadn't started last year, and we all know 'how well' its been doing. When full results for BFS come out, I wonder how bad they will be. There is a period up there from 09.30 through to around 15.45 when there must be a lot of folk sitting around scratching.
BFS London routes out except Luton. All down, except LHR which hadn't started last year, and we all know 'how well' its been doing. When full results for BFS come out, I wonder how bad they will be. There is a period up there from 09.30 through to around 15.45 when there must be a lot of folk sitting around scratching.
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BHD has 2.7 million passengers passing through it at the moment. Now the planning agreement allows for 4 million seats for sale. Therefore does that mean on average every aircraft departing/arriving must be +67.5% full otherwise the aerodrome would be in breach of the agreement. Correct me if I am wrong.
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A useless piece of trivia...
Had to collect some passengers from the CO flight from Newark this morning...and the CO website allows you to monitor the progress of the aircraft before it embarks on the leg you are interested in!
So ship number 124 from the CO 757 fleet arrived in Newark from Orlando, before it flew on to Belfast. The flight to Orlando from Newark had been preceded by a round trip to Lima, Peru!
Amazing what you can learn these days!
Edited to add I'm getting sad! Before Peru, ship 124 was in Hamburg, before that Edinburgh and before that San Francisco! The life of a 757 since last Thursday!
So ship number 124 from the CO 757 fleet arrived in Newark from Orlando, before it flew on to Belfast. The flight to Orlando from Newark had been preceded by a round trip to Lima, Peru!
Amazing what you can learn these days!
Edited to add I'm getting sad! Before Peru, ship 124 was in Hamburg, before that Edinburgh and before that San Francisco! The life of a 757 since last Thursday!
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Re the flybe BHD-BHX, Ryanair started BHX-LDY with 5295 pax in November and added about six or seven thousand to EMA-BHD, both would have had some kind of affect.
flybe I think have cut some services on the bhd-bhx with no Monday
evening BE414/7 and BE405/6 only operates Monday/Friday I think,
which was three a week in summer and daily before that.
However some services were 145's and now it is virtually all Q400/195.
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Re the flybe BHD-BHX, Ryanair started BHX-LDY with 5295 pax in November and added about six or seven thousand to EMA-BHD, both would have had some kind of affect.
flybe I think have cut some services on the bhd-bhx with no Monday
evening BE414/7 and BE405/6 only operates Monday/Friday I think,
which was three a week in summer and daily before that.
However some services were 145's and now it is virtually all Q400/195.
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Caught the tale end of an article on BBC radio Ulster this morning with Mr Rutter of flybe claiming the proposed runway extension at BHD was unnecessary and would damage the airport and the NI economy. Haven't got the full article yet but it must be of concern to the city management that their biggest customer is against their plans to enlarge, or will they, as they have done so often with the local residents issues, just ignore them and continue with their plans.
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Newsletter.co.uk there is an article. If anybody wants to object there are letters you can post in at belfastcityairportwatch.co.uk in the download section, but you have to post today or hand deliver by Monday.
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Having read the Newsletter article, it seems that it's a case of "sour grapes" in Flybes' case. They know that if the extension goes ahead then FR will start continental routes. I seem to remember Flybe promising scheduled continental routes in the past but all that happened was the Paris link which lasted a matter of months before they pulled it. They might argue that they operate seasonal ski routes to Chambery, Salzburg and Geneva but why no scheduled routes?
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Theres no sour grapes in the Flybe stance. They've been in BHD over 20 years. Their traffic numbers have been virtually unaffected by RYR/EI arrival in Belfast unlike EZY/BMI/BABY and JET2. I think their longevity of commitment to BHD allows them to make the point that BHD does a paticular job as a city airport for NI plc and to change that mission potentially risks inward investment to NI at a critical time. I think I heard Rutter say on the Good Morning Ulster that they were happy for RYR to grow but go do it at BFS without effecting BHD's role and the environment of East Belfast. Not sour just logical.
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In the heat of this debate no-one appears to have concerned themselves that flybe's investment in the East Belfast area extends well beyond flights at BHD. Most of their fleet is acquired from Shorts, so their actual investment in jobs in the area over a long number of years is vast. Whereas Ryanair's investment has extended to putting up a few crew in a caravan in the airport car park for a while! What viewpoint do you think should be given more credence then??
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Elle, I hope your point is not lost on the local ( East Belfast ) politicians, many of whom have been strangely silent on this whole matter of the proposed developments at the Harbour. A lot of the people who vote for them and their party are from this area and may even work in Shorts. flybes choice of equipment supports real people and real jobs in NI. The new jobs MoL and Mr A are referring to when they talk about the expansion are a nonsense.
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It always amuses me when I read all these articles supporting the need for expansion at Bhd, how Bfs is too far out from Belfast, Bhd much more convenient. I wonder how many of those same people will travel down to Dublin and have no problem with convenience? The statement from Flybe is right, Bhd is now being turned into something that it was never designed for. I read recently, after all the money spent on extending the runway at Ldy, that Fr have cut a large number of flights there this winter. So why where people evicted from their homes? For little purpose now. And if you are one of the supporters of the Bhd extension, would you be happy to be evicted to make way for it? I know that is not necessary at Bhd, but in principle, would you like to be thrown from your home to please Bhd and Fr? The trouble with some companies, they can never get enough.
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What a load of 'one-sided' nonsense! Do you all work at BFS or should we just change the name of the thread to the 'Aldergrove supporters club'.
Belfast City Airport is a private company. It is entitled to try to increase its business and profits just like any other business. Its true that Flybe have been at the airport for 25 years but they have not 'stood by' BHD through any sense of loyalty. Flybe have stayed at BHD because that is the most profitable location for them to be located. They are obviously aggreived at any potential threat to their dominance at BHD - just as they were 7 years ago when BMI arrived.
I actually think that its incredibly 'bad manners' to publicly critisise a major business partner - and people critisise Mr O'Leary for having an over inflated ego.
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Belfast City Airport is a private company. It is entitled to try to increase its business and profits just like any other business. Its true that Flybe have been at the airport for 25 years but they have not 'stood by' BHD through any sense of loyalty. Flybe have stayed at BHD because that is the most profitable location for them to be located. They are obviously aggreived at any potential threat to their dominance at BHD - just as they were 7 years ago when BMI arrived.
I actually think that its incredibly 'bad manners' to publicly critisise a major business partner - and people critisise Mr O'Leary for having an over inflated ego.
Rant over - back to the Aldergrove Supporters Club
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Well said Rosemount, agree with you totally. Flybe's statement shows that they are running scared that their monopoly at BHD will now be challenged not only by FR but by other airlines. If they want to steal a march on FR, they should introduce scheduled continental routes to selected destinations asap. Why not Chambery for instance after all they do from other bases on a scheduled basis.
By the way, someone else said that Flybe's fleet was supplied by Shorts. The last time Flybe purchased a Shorts built aircraft was when they were Jersey European and took delivery of three 360s. The only involvement Shorts have now with Flybe's fleet is the manufacture of engine nacelles and u/c doors for all Q400s. They are not involved at all with the production of the EMB195.
By the way, someone else said that Flybe's fleet was supplied by Shorts. The last time Flybe purchased a Shorts built aircraft was when they were Jersey European and took delivery of three 360s. The only involvement Shorts have now with Flybe's fleet is the manufacture of engine nacelles and u/c doors for all Q400s. They are not involved at all with the production of the EMB195.