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Chances of a BTS base?
Disclaimer: Everything that I'm about to write is purely personal speculation and as such could well turn out to be one of the biggest piles of tosh ever written on these pages.
In the medium term (the next couple of years), I think a Ryanair base at Bratislava could well happen. In the short term, I'm not so sure. I suspect it really depends how desperate BTS airport are and how good any potential deal is.
Why a base might happen:
- The airport at BTS have a fairly significant hole in their passenger numbers after the demise of SkyEurope. I imagine that they might be quite keen to negotiate in the same way that Bari (allegedly) were after MyAir went under.
- Potentially low costs and maybe other incentives too?
Why a base might not happen for a while:
- Higher priorities elsewhere? Potentially higher yielding markets in Italy and Spain where capacity might be better deployed.
- FR already cover a lot of SkyEurope's routes from BTS and VIE. With the exception of the seasonal summer routes to the likes of Croatia, Italy and Spain, the only real hole is to Paris. BTS-BVA is surely a no-brainer, but could probably be operated without needing a BTS base.
- With SkyEurope out of the way, FR already dominate BTS. This year, they have already added routes to ALC, BLQ, NRN, LPL, PSA and CIA. If they wait for a bit longer, will they get an even better deal?
- If FR don't set up a base any time soon, who else is going to dive in there? Wizzair possibly, but FR have most of the obvious routes covered, therefore no great rush?
In the medium term (the next couple of years), I think a Ryanair base at Bratislava could well happen. In the short term, I'm not so sure. I suspect it really depends how desperate BTS airport are and how good any potential deal is.
Why a base might happen:
- The airport at BTS have a fairly significant hole in their passenger numbers after the demise of SkyEurope. I imagine that they might be quite keen to negotiate in the same way that Bari (allegedly) were after MyAir went under.
- Potentially low costs and maybe other incentives too?
Why a base might not happen for a while:
- Higher priorities elsewhere? Potentially higher yielding markets in Italy and Spain where capacity might be better deployed.
- FR already cover a lot of SkyEurope's routes from BTS and VIE. With the exception of the seasonal summer routes to the likes of Croatia, Italy and Spain, the only real hole is to Paris. BTS-BVA is surely a no-brainer, but could probably be operated without needing a BTS base.
- With SkyEurope out of the way, FR already dominate BTS. This year, they have already added routes to ALC, BLQ, NRN, LPL, PSA and CIA. If they wait for a bit longer, will they get an even better deal?
- If FR don't set up a base any time soon, who else is going to dive in there? Wizzair possibly, but FR have most of the obvious routes covered, therefore no great rush?
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anna list, fair points there, thanks for the reply, however, I think it might be sooner rather than later!
I think that wizz could be looking at it and Ryanair may move first. It is hard to know what will happen!
I think that wizz could be looking at it and Ryanair may move first. It is hard to know what will happen!
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from 25th Oct EMA-BHD from 2 daily to 3 daily
from 2nd Nov CAG-CIA from daily to double daily
from 7th Nov CIA-FKB from 4 weekly to 5 weekly
from 17th Nov CIA-BLL 3 weekly
from 2nd Nov CAG-CIA from daily to double daily
from 7th Nov CIA-FKB from 4 weekly to 5 weekly
from 17th Nov CIA-BLL 3 weekly
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Bratislava
Flew BTS-EDI on Wed evening (day trip 'fag run'). They seem to be building an extension to the terminal (looks about + 50%). Ours was the only flight showing that evening from the well appointed little terminal. Practically all 189 seats were occupied by what seemed to be nearly all Slavs travelling to Scotland.
By the way, FR sceptics, all three flights used that day (PIK - STN, STN - BTS & BTS - EDI) provided a very positive impression - even when there was a short delay in departure from STN, passengers were kept well informed.
Oh, and not forgetting the price, £1 + £1 + €1, with no added charges what so ever thank to a very easy to obtain Electron Card - acquired on line using the Bank of Scotland web-site
By the way, FR sceptics, all three flights used that day (PIK - STN, STN - BTS & BTS - EDI) provided a very positive impression - even when there was a short delay in departure from STN, passengers were kept well informed.
Oh, and not forgetting the price, £1 + £1 + €1, with no added charges what so ever thank to a very easy to obtain Electron Card - acquired on line using the Bank of Scotland web-site
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BHX-HHN to end?
This is no longer bookable beyond 1st November.
Not a good week for FR at BHX with the winter timetable
virtually adjusted to three based aircraft from four and
now Hahn appears to be going.
BHX-HHN Loads in general have been bad by BHX standards although
they have picked up a bit of late.
Pete
Not a good week for FR at BHX with the winter timetable
virtually adjusted to three based aircraft from four and
now Hahn appears to be going.
BHX-HHN Loads in general have been bad by BHX standards although
they have picked up a bit of late.
Pete
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BHX- OPO, also gone, no more bookable beyond end October, even with very good numbers all year around.
2009 load factors:
66,6% - JAN
73,5% - FEV
73,3% - MAR
76,9% - ABR
73,6% - MAI
80,4% - JUN
82,7% - JUL
2009 load factors:
66,6% - JAN
73,5% - FEV
73,3% - MAR
76,9% - ABR
73,6% - MAI
80,4% - JUN
82,7% - JUL
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FR @ BHX
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BHX - OPO, BHX - NYO & BHX - BLG, BHX-PMI were never put on sale for
this winter along with usual suspensions of PIS, OLB, MRS, TRS, & TPS.
Then Torp was chopped and Prague removed only for the latter to reappear a week later.
On top off that frequency reductions on SNN, LDY, ALC, AGP, KTW & REU.
Although ALC is the same frequency as last winter.
Then HHN was removed recently.
Pete
BHX - OPO, BHX - NYO & BHX - BLG, BHX-PMI were never put on sale for
this winter along with usual suspensions of PIS, OLB, MRS, TRS, & TPS.
Then Torp was chopped and Prague removed only for the latter to reappear a week later.
On top off that frequency reductions on SNN, LDY, ALC, AGP, KTW & REU.
Although ALC is the same frequency as last winter.
Then HHN was removed recently.
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Olton Pete,
Since the winter schedule for the OPO base was only defined last week , I did not lost my faith to see it scheduled. Even operated with a OPO base aircraft.
I can't understand such a dramatic cut in the UK routes this winter: BRS and LPL since last year, and now BHX, a young route with quite good performance. The huge portuguese comunity has STN as the only option.
Since the winter schedule for the OPO base was only defined last week , I did not lost my faith to see it scheduled. Even operated with a OPO base aircraft.
I can't understand such a dramatic cut in the UK routes this winter: BRS and LPL since last year, and now BHX, a young route with quite good performance. The huge portuguese comunity has STN as the only option.
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BHX-OPO
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Me too, I just assumed it would become an Oporto based operation.
It is always disappointing to lose any route but one with such good load
factors makes it worse.
However I was told by one fairly frequent BHX-OPO traveller that winter
sees a lot of cheap fares and low spend on board. This is only one
view but but might explain matters and hopefully it will be back in April.
Pete
Me too, I just assumed it would become an Oporto based operation.
It is always disappointing to lose any route but one with such good load
factors makes it worse.
However I was told by one fairly frequent BHX-OPO traveller that winter
sees a lot of cheap fares and low spend on board. This is only one
view but but might explain matters and hopefully it will be back in April.
Pete
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Bhx - Opo
OltonPete,
He might be right if he flies mostly the Monday operation, because on Friday night the airplanes were always almost full.
BHX is just in the middle of the "triangle" BRS-BHX-LPL, and could perfectly remain operating, it's a considerable catching area, and as I said before, where a lot of Portuguese people live.
He might be right if he flies mostly the Monday operation, because on Friday night the airplanes were always almost full.
BHX is just in the middle of the "triangle" BRS-BHX-LPL, and could perfectly remain operating, it's a considerable catching area, and as I said before, where a lot of Portuguese people live.
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BHX
How long before they do a Manchester at Birmingham and just leave the Dublin.
3 based ( very light programme some days ) is a long way from the 6 mentioned for this winter.
Also a reduction on visiting harps.
Centre cities
3 based ( very light programme some days ) is a long way from the 6 mentioned for this winter.
Also a reduction on visiting harps.
Centre cities
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Flew BTS-EDI on Wed evening (day trip 'fag run'). They seem to be building an extension to the terminal (looks about + 50%). Ours was the only flight showing that evening from the well appointed little terminal. Practically all 189 seats were occupied by what seemed to be nearly all Slavs travelling to Scotland.
I had expected that it would have been mostly Slovaks etc travelling on the flight (perhaps working in Alicante area) however, a lot of Spaniards!
Ryanair were very good and flew on nice new 738s EI-EBB and a slightly older one going to BTS EI-DCD...
Interesting caption from Airliners.net!!!
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BHX-REU not bookable in November
I make this 12 routes suspended for winter with HHN & REU
added in the last few days (about six last year).
We know Stansted, Manchester & Mr B (APD) have been in the
firing line but is there a specific problem with BHX.
Things are tight here in the West Mids and I certainly
couldn't make a case to keep most of the routes but
it is a hefty level of cancellations in one season.
EDI & BRS is not too far behind with route suspensions
but they have maintained their based units although
Bristol looks light on some days.
BHX currently has four based units and on Thursdays in
November there are just four based flights by these.
Pete
added in the last few days (about six last year).
We know Stansted, Manchester & Mr B (APD) have been in the
firing line but is there a specific problem with BHX.
Things are tight here in the West Mids and I certainly
couldn't make a case to keep most of the routes but
it is a hefty level of cancellations in one season.
EDI & BRS is not too far behind with route suspensions
but they have maintained their based units although
Bristol looks light on some days.
BHX currently has four based units and on Thursdays in
November there are just four based flights by these.
Pete
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EDI & BRS is not too far behind with route suspensions
but they have maintained their based units although
Bristol looks light on some days.
but they have maintained their based units although
Bristol looks light on some days.
I've done a count-up and at present there are 64 weekly rotations from Bristol using the based aircraft in November, with Turin (1 x weekly) added in December: most on any day is ten and the least is seven - on a Thursday!
All four based aircraft are required at least for some part of every day but there are some gaps in the scheduling.
It's been made more unwieldy by the long sectors on some routes with Tenerife, Lanzarote, Gran Canaria, Marrakesh and Malta all between seven and nine hours there and back.
In addition there are 24 weekly rotations flown by non-based aircraft.
I make it that 13 routes have been suspended from Bristol for the winter: nearly all the new routes introduced this summer (not a surprise as they were almost without exception holiday routes - to France and Italy in the main); Porto (suspended last winter); Riga (suspended for the second half of last winter); Bergerac (it operated last winter).
I doubt that this is the final cut - probably work in progress.
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I saw EI-DAL earlier this evening sat at LPL looking lovely as ever!
I had just completed a day return on an FR LPL-DUB run.
LPL airport - can't stand the place if I am being perfectly honest. OK, it may have been 5am but to be so rude and not even a smile is quite poor. I also hate the layout of having to queue on the stairs for security.
DUB however, was fantastic! The security were making jokes and being extremely helpful in the process and all staff had a smile or always willing to chat - as it should be! Although - has anybody noticed how expensive their so called 'duty free' is? £29 for a litre bottle - still £15 when travelling outside of the EU! It is 2 for £16 at MAN!!
Must also say that both the Ryanair flights were truly superb - the crew were fantastic and the length of the flights amazes me! Under 25 minutes per sector was fantastic and would be pushing PIK-BHD if it were to get a tail wind once in a while!
I had just completed a day return on an FR LPL-DUB run.
LPL airport - can't stand the place if I am being perfectly honest. OK, it may have been 5am but to be so rude and not even a smile is quite poor. I also hate the layout of having to queue on the stairs for security.
DUB however, was fantastic! The security were making jokes and being extremely helpful in the process and all staff had a smile or always willing to chat - as it should be! Although - has anybody noticed how expensive their so called 'duty free' is? £29 for a litre bottle - still £15 when travelling outside of the EU! It is 2 for £16 at MAN!!
Must also say that both the Ryanair flights were truly superb - the crew were fantastic and the length of the flights amazes me! Under 25 minutes per sector was fantastic and would be pushing PIK-BHD if it were to get a tail wind once in a while!
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LPL airport - can't stand the place if I am being perfectly honest. OK, it may have been 5am but to be so rude and not even a smile is quite poor. I also hate the layout of having to queue on the stairs for security.
stand by for more expansion at LJLA from ryan aswell just to stay on topic good old Mol