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typical ryaniar smoke and mirrors, however I was waiting for someone to start having a pop at APD! Just about every industry in the UK is having bailouts / protecionism / tax breaks right now - apart from the aviation industry - our taxes went up! At least someone is starting to put the excessive Air passenger duty in the media now.
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As Ryanair only buy airframes at half list price they make a very bad buyer anyway.
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Rhodes brings it al into perspective.
bmi were selling TRs way back in 1999: if can find the powerpoint presentation I can come up with some hard numbers, but, basically, they had spare sim capacity and came up with a ruse to utilise it.
You buy a 737 TR and we "may" offer you a job.
Sim gets used, you don't get job. EASY
bmi were selling TRs way back in 1999: if can find the powerpoint presentation I can come up with some hard numbers, but, basically, they had spare sim capacity and came up with a ruse to utilise it.
You buy a 737 TR and we "may" offer you a job.
Sim gets used, you don't get job. EASY
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Hmm, Boeing V Airbus. Do you think that either of those 2 compnaies are going to fall for Ryanairs ploys a second time around. Back in 2001 before MOL placed the last minute big order with boeing, they had pretty much decided to go with Airbus. Now some might say well done Boeing for the 11th hour deal that secured those orders and saved your company.
Ryanair got the deal and nailed Boeing in the rear end. Ok, fair play to them. That wont happen again. From the airbus prespective, do you think they believe that the biggest low cost airline would operate a mixed fleet? Not a chance. Why bother bidding for the business when Ryanair already have 180ish 737s? A definate good ploy on airbus's behalf to put their cards on the table and say they have no interest in Ryanairs business. You wont see Ryanair getting the same deals they got before.
MOL's arrogance will only get him so far. What goes around, comes around. Its coming Michael...straight at you and your company. You can only blame Boeing, Governments, airport authorities, unions, pilots, the weather or the economy so much before it comes back to bite you.
Ryanair got the deal and nailed Boeing in the rear end. Ok, fair play to them. That wont happen again. From the airbus prespective, do you think they believe that the biggest low cost airline would operate a mixed fleet? Not a chance. Why bother bidding for the business when Ryanair already have 180ish 737s? A definate good ploy on airbus's behalf to put their cards on the table and say they have no interest in Ryanairs business. You wont see Ryanair getting the same deals they got before.
MOL's arrogance will only get him so far. What goes around, comes around. Its coming Michael...straight at you and your company. You can only blame Boeing, Governments, airport authorities, unions, pilots, the weather or the economy so much before it comes back to bite you.
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The company announced it was reducing aircraft operating from Liverpool from seven to six, cutting flights and axing jobs among pilots, cabin crew and engineers.
According to the news from Belgium, two additional AC will be based in Charleroi, probably from the end of March.
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Ryanair finally finalise the onboard mobile service
http://http://breakingnews.ie/business/mhsnsnojidcw/
Seems pretty expensive to use though
http://http://breakingnews.ie/business/mhsnsnojidcw/
Seems pretty expensive to use though
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Mr Shady, you are a little out on your dates, BMFT were doing courses to use up spare slots at Coalville in 1994. Some got jobs with BM and others went to places like EZY
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Ryanair rhetoric is used to fit whatever the occassion suits. NEVER will FR admit to having gotten something wrong, that creates a bad culture, especially when it comes from the top. Last week I flew with FR from STN to SNN and was apalled at what I saw.
Firstly, paid for check-in and approached check-in desk,, to be told that FR do not offer check-in anymore, that I must go to a self-service kiosk, and then return to check my bag. The desk is now solely for baggage drop, agent admitted it was causing uproar with pax. Didn't get what I paid for, is false advertising, and should be removed as a paid option when booking. Got over it and flight was delayed. Usual queues at gate, however handling staff were going through the pax and validating ID against boarding card, this surely goes against security. I was on my mobile and told to turn it off, even though the aircraft was not even on stand. Got over it.
Aircraft arrived on stand, 1 cc got off to assist in disembarkation, 1 cc to gate, and 1 cc each at forward and aft stations. Pax off boarding immediately began. This is not the first time I have noticed, but what happened to the aircraft security check on turnaround. Answer it did not happen.
All aboard, flight full as there had been cancellations the previous day due snow. It soon became obvious that there was not enough space in the overheads for all the 'large' carry on pieces. All passengers seated. There happened to be a positioning crew on-board, and along with the operating crew they were attempting to force the cases that would not fit and that were blocking the aisle (12 of them) into the overheads. Had there been an emergency evacuation, it would not have been pretty. Eventually doors had to be opened and excess headed for the hold.
In the cruise and during the service I decided to purchase a panini, order taken. I noticed the cc who had checked the toilet, was handling money etc. place an 'unwrapped' panini into the oven with her bare hands. When ready she went to the oven and got a piece of tissue to remove the panini, came down the aisle juggling my food as if it were a hot potato, with her bare hands. I didn't eat it.
Landed late in Shannon and the buggler embarrsingly announced another FR flight on time, to chuckles of pax.
So what is my point? Very simple, why are the IAA, various Department of Transport (security divisions) CAA and the relevant food safety authorities allowing unfair competition in that FR give the finger to security and other legislation, while it is rigourously enforced upon others. There is a cost to be compliant, a cost that FR choose to ignore, their turnaround times are not achievable with the resources they employ. Rules are for all, but maybe not for bullies!
Firstly, paid for check-in and approached check-in desk,, to be told that FR do not offer check-in anymore, that I must go to a self-service kiosk, and then return to check my bag. The desk is now solely for baggage drop, agent admitted it was causing uproar with pax. Didn't get what I paid for, is false advertising, and should be removed as a paid option when booking. Got over it and flight was delayed. Usual queues at gate, however handling staff were going through the pax and validating ID against boarding card, this surely goes against security. I was on my mobile and told to turn it off, even though the aircraft was not even on stand. Got over it.
Aircraft arrived on stand, 1 cc got off to assist in disembarkation, 1 cc to gate, and 1 cc each at forward and aft stations. Pax off boarding immediately began. This is not the first time I have noticed, but what happened to the aircraft security check on turnaround. Answer it did not happen.
All aboard, flight full as there had been cancellations the previous day due snow. It soon became obvious that there was not enough space in the overheads for all the 'large' carry on pieces. All passengers seated. There happened to be a positioning crew on-board, and along with the operating crew they were attempting to force the cases that would not fit and that were blocking the aisle (12 of them) into the overheads. Had there been an emergency evacuation, it would not have been pretty. Eventually doors had to be opened and excess headed for the hold.
In the cruise and during the service I decided to purchase a panini, order taken. I noticed the cc who had checked the toilet, was handling money etc. place an 'unwrapped' panini into the oven with her bare hands. When ready she went to the oven and got a piece of tissue to remove the panini, came down the aisle juggling my food as if it were a hot potato, with her bare hands. I didn't eat it.
Landed late in Shannon and the buggler embarrsingly announced another FR flight on time, to chuckles of pax.
So what is my point? Very simple, why are the IAA, various Department of Transport (security divisions) CAA and the relevant food safety authorities allowing unfair competition in that FR give the finger to security and other legislation, while it is rigourously enforced upon others. There is a cost to be compliant, a cost that FR choose to ignore, their turnaround times are not achievable with the resources they employ. Rules are for all, but maybe not for bullies!
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I travelled last with Ryanair in January from GRO to LPL. Our flight landed late from LPL, even though there was only a 25 minute turn around. We were up in the air 1 minute after the scheduled departure time. How did they do it?
Well...another Ryanair flight was on stand next to our a/c and was receiving maintenance so the flight was delayed. I then saw two cabin crew come across from that a/c and onto ours as the inbound PAX started disembarking. They then went on board and we immediately started to board as soon as the last passengers left the a/c. I can only assume that these two crew members helped with the turnaround on the a/c (6 British crew members from LPL) which increased turnaround time. The Captain did his checks which I was happy about!
However...is it allowed that two other crew members make the checks. I know they are qualified (maybe even more so than the other crew who were actually operating the flight) but surely it would be a safety breach for these two to help? I am not saying this happens or anything but what if they did find something that could potentially be dangerous, but, because they are not actually flying on the plane they turn a blind eye to it as it is too much effort and they have had a long day already and they still have more to come, sure that would not comply with the international safety laws?!
Well...another Ryanair flight was on stand next to our a/c and was receiving maintenance so the flight was delayed. I then saw two cabin crew come across from that a/c and onto ours as the inbound PAX started disembarking. They then went on board and we immediately started to board as soon as the last passengers left the a/c. I can only assume that these two crew members helped with the turnaround on the a/c (6 British crew members from LPL) which increased turnaround time. The Captain did his checks which I was happy about!
However...is it allowed that two other crew members make the checks. I know they are qualified (maybe even more so than the other crew who were actually operating the flight) but surely it would be a safety breach for these two to help? I am not saying this happens or anything but what if they did find something that could potentially be dangerous, but, because they are not actually flying on the plane they turn a blind eye to it as it is too much effort and they have had a long day already and they still have more to come, sure that would not comply with the international safety laws?!
runaway edge how does boarding staff validating your passport at the gate go against security? Surely that would help you board quicker and I have seen this done at many airports from London to Australia. And again how do you know the security checks were not carried out? Where you on the aircraft to see them not done?
I love it how you seem to know it all but can you prove that the required checks were not done?
As for the bugler if the flight arrives within 15 mins of scheduled it is deemed to be on time as with most carriers.
Bags are a big problem thats why the carrier is trying to enforce the one carry on only rule (unfortunately people take the piss then get angry because they cant read!) .. as for emergency evacuation would be the same if there were pax in the aisle. How do you suggest we load the pax and bags? Two at a time? How about no bags then there wouldn't be a problem with blocking emergency exits?
If you have a genuine grievance how about you raise it with the CAA or IAA and let them go and investigate.. they will most likely tell you that we already comply with the rules as they are laid down. Have had several inspections and see them going on all the time. To suggest we as a company ignore health and safety regs in naive and fool hardy in the extreme and demonstrates your ignorance of the whole process! If we are so unsafe why do the French, Italian, German, Dutch etc etc aviation authorities allow us to fly in their airspace. Why does EASA allow us to continue to operate if we are so unsafe. It must be all those massive kick backs we are giving them
PS As for the panini did you point out what you saw and hand it back? Lodge a complaint with the Head Cabin Crew member or company? How about lodge a complaint with the food hygiene standards agency in Ireland or England? Nope instead you waited and suffered terribly then thought the best thing to do was write a load of bull on a website..
I love it how you seem to know it all but can you prove that the required checks were not done?
As for the bugler if the flight arrives within 15 mins of scheduled it is deemed to be on time as with most carriers.
Bags are a big problem thats why the carrier is trying to enforce the one carry on only rule (unfortunately people take the piss then get angry because they cant read!) .. as for emergency evacuation would be the same if there were pax in the aisle. How do you suggest we load the pax and bags? Two at a time? How about no bags then there wouldn't be a problem with blocking emergency exits?
If you have a genuine grievance how about you raise it with the CAA or IAA and let them go and investigate.. they will most likely tell you that we already comply with the rules as they are laid down. Have had several inspections and see them going on all the time. To suggest we as a company ignore health and safety regs in naive and fool hardy in the extreme and demonstrates your ignorance of the whole process! If we are so unsafe why do the French, Italian, German, Dutch etc etc aviation authorities allow us to fly in their airspace. Why does EASA allow us to continue to operate if we are so unsafe. It must be all those massive kick backs we are giving them
PS As for the panini did you point out what you saw and hand it back? Lodge a complaint with the Head Cabin Crew member or company? How about lodge a complaint with the food hygiene standards agency in Ireland or England? Nope instead you waited and suffered terribly then thought the best thing to do was write a load of bull on a website..
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Firstly, paid for check-in and approached check-in desk,, to be told that FR do not offer check-in anymore, that I must go to a self-service kiosk
Geeeeezz!!!
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Rhodes.....my point was that the checks were not done as the pax transited throught the gate.....when the flight was called there were no checks at the gate. As both on-board cabin crew are required to be at their stations and remaining cc were at the gate, who did the checks? the captain was doing the walkaround and the FO was completing the load sheet. I am merely stating the facts as I saw them, and I can categorically tell you NO security checks were carried out, and it's not the first time I've observed this. The flight was 30 mins late, so buggler wasn't called for. EASA does not have oversight on security, each member state is responsible. Why should I have to complain about food handling, it should be done properly. I do not profess to be a 'know all' as you describe, and have in the past been an ardent FR supporter, but on this and many recent occassions I personally felt things were not done properly. But, hey I see your attitude complies with company culture, and nobody else is entitled to have an opinion.
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Very simple, why are the IAA, various Department of Transport (security divisions) CAA and the relevant food safety authorities allowing unfair competition in that FR give the finger to security and other legislation, while it is rigourously enforced upon others.
Security checks are conducted by the cabin crew on each turn around. They have to give the all clear for the pax to start boarding. Thus you will notice on most aircraft the under seat area has nothing under it thus its easy to see that the floor is clear, you'll also notice each overhead bin has mirrors allowing someone to see whether a package has been left on board. All thats left is to ensure that the toilets are free and that there is nothing in them. Total time a couple of minutes. Can be conducted by one cabin crew or ideally two.
So I'm surprised that you as a pax at the gate can categorically say that there was no security search unless you were on the aircraft! This also escapes the fact that the toilets are locked so that during deplanning the pax cant access them. So I ask you again are you sure the security wasn't done?
You also state there were two cabin crew at the gate. Again wrong, you may have seen the junior at the gate with a swissport service rep. Once on board the number one is at the front, the number 3 at the back and the number two in the middle of the cabin. If refueling and boarding all cabin crew must be on board to comply with safety regs or upon the 150th pax coming on board then the number 4 must come back.
My attitude is one of constant amazement of how a little knowledge is dangerous. I respect your right to have an opinion unless that opinion is blatantly false and based on half truths and a lack of knowledge.
I am very far from a dyed in the wool supporter of RYR and have my issues with them but I take offense when SLF state categorically that we are unsafe. I want to come home to at the end of the day just as much as you want to get your destination.
As to the food are you saying that mistakes are never made? If you believe that perhaps we should stop all the inspections of food premises then? Of course you should have pointed it out. Otherwise how do we as a company learn?
For the record I dont like the baggage fees and think that is a problem as well as staff relations at the moment, but im far from dismissive of your opinion. How about I start commenting on your job without knowing whats going on!
So I'm surprised that you as a pax at the gate can categorically say that there was no security search unless you were on the aircraft! This also escapes the fact that the toilets are locked so that during deplanning the pax cant access them. So I ask you again are you sure the security wasn't done?
You also state there were two cabin crew at the gate. Again wrong, you may have seen the junior at the gate with a swissport service rep. Once on board the number one is at the front, the number 3 at the back and the number two in the middle of the cabin. If refueling and boarding all cabin crew must be on board to comply with safety regs or upon the 150th pax coming on board then the number 4 must come back.
My attitude is one of constant amazement of how a little knowledge is dangerous. I respect your right to have an opinion unless that opinion is blatantly false and based on half truths and a lack of knowledge.
I am very far from a dyed in the wool supporter of RYR and have my issues with them but I take offense when SLF state categorically that we are unsafe. I want to come home to at the end of the day just as much as you want to get your destination.
As to the food are you saying that mistakes are never made? If you believe that perhaps we should stop all the inspections of food premises then? Of course you should have pointed it out. Otherwise how do we as a company learn?
For the record I dont like the baggage fees and think that is a problem as well as staff relations at the moment, but im far from dismissive of your opinion. How about I start commenting on your job without knowing whats going on!
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Don't get me wrong I disagree with the charge to use a machine to check-in (like internet check-in it should be free). However when you take into account that it's Ryanair what benefit are you going to get from check-in at a manned desk? Check your veggie meal is onboard? Request an aisle or window seat? Get them to swipe your RyanMiles card?
They're only going to take your bag, tag it and hand you you're boarding card then... Next!
They're only going to take your bag, tag it and hand you you're boarding card then... Next!
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Security checks are conducted by the cabin crew on each turn around. They have to give the all clear for the pax to start boarding
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FR114 2nd Feb 2009
Friend (passenger) on this flight spent 5 hours in the plane on the ground before departure at Dublin. Usual stuff - uncommunicative/invisible cc with instruction from cpatain not to pester them for information, no drinks, water, any refreshments offered to an increasingly angry and concerned SLF who were't allowed to get off the plane. Then, stranded due late arrival in LGW with no trains etc.
It was a bit snowy so weather may or may not have been an issue as other London bound Aer Lingus flights were departing during this period and arriving in London it transpired. Who knows the reason - it could be any number of perfectly reasonable explanations that were never provided.
But, even if the flight did cost just a few tens of pounds (a large part of which was the credit card usage fee) engendering low service quality expectations, does that still give the right for a company to in effect destroy a whole day of someone's life without so much as a rational explanation or formal apology? Not to mention an acceptance of fault or offer of compensation which I fully understand from other comments here is not worth pursuing.
How do the people in this thread who argue that Ryanair's business model is one of the best in the business, rationalise this kind of approach when arguably they could have done simple, cost effective damage limitation actions like - offering honest explanations, apologies, offered water to thirsty pax etc.
It was a bit snowy so weather may or may not have been an issue as other London bound Aer Lingus flights were departing during this period and arriving in London it transpired. Who knows the reason - it could be any number of perfectly reasonable explanations that were never provided.
But, even if the flight did cost just a few tens of pounds (a large part of which was the credit card usage fee) engendering low service quality expectations, does that still give the right for a company to in effect destroy a whole day of someone's life without so much as a rational explanation or formal apology? Not to mention an acceptance of fault or offer of compensation which I fully understand from other comments here is not worth pursuing.
How do the people in this thread who argue that Ryanair's business model is one of the best in the business, rationalise this kind of approach when arguably they could have done simple, cost effective damage limitation actions like - offering honest explanations, apologies, offered water to thirsty pax etc.