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dublin_eire - if it ever came out that Ryanair were buying their own seats to raise the number of "seats sold" in declaration to investors, the company would be toast and no auditor would want to touch them. Have a google about Enron for an example of this kind of thing
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Yes it is possible but the "optional charges" would cripple them......
On this issue then... Is it possible to get figures for those who actually flew compared to those that booked flights?
Ah, I'm sure they'd have an electron card somewhere in the office and travel baggage free...
On this issue then... Is it possible to get figures for those who actually flew compared to those that booked flights?
On this issue then... Is it possible to get figures for those who actually flew compared to those that booked flights?
Its profit that gets judged and this adds nothing to it.
People would go to jail as this amounts to fraud and many many easy ways to find out.
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Ryanair increases fees by up to 250% - The Irish Times - Fri, Sep 04, 2009
IT'S A TOTAL FARCE. For very obvious reasons owing to cabin space you can only carry a certain size bag on to the aircraft so dimensions come into effect as well as weight. So if you're going on a two week trip to the sunshine you can be sure one will be well and truly stuck with these hefty and ludicrous prices. I hope the paying public start to look at the other carriers like EZ, Jet2, AerLingus, Flybe, Aer Arann & City Jet. I won't be flying FR anymore at these crazy charges. It's too much.
IT'S A TOTAL FARCE. For very obvious reasons owing to cabin space you can only carry a certain size bag on to the aircraft so dimensions come into effect as well as weight. So if you're going on a two week trip to the sunshine you can be sure one will be well and truly stuck with these hefty and ludicrous prices. I hope the paying public start to look at the other carriers like EZ, Jet2, AerLingus, Flybe, Aer Arann & City Jet. I won't be flying FR anymore at these crazy charges. It's too much.
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I'm not sure I would look at Aer Arann for a two week trip to the SUNSHINE!! 
But a very good point made EISNN - FR charges are ridiculous, I would have far more respect for them if they simply charged a higher 'all in' fare rather than incessantly go on about being Europes leading low fare airline which is more often than not
when you add on all the add ons!
But a very good point made EISNN - FR charges are ridiculous, I would have far more respect for them if they simply charged a higher 'all in' fare rather than incessantly go on about being Europes leading low fare airline which is more often than not
when you add on all the add ons!
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But why should pax that travel only with hand luggage pay for others from the beginning of the booking? It's unfair.
Only when it comes to online check-in, I think it's ridiculous the 5€ fee apart from the fare, as everyone has to print the boarding card.
Only when it comes to online check-in, I think it's ridiculous the 5€ fee apart from the fare, as everyone has to print the boarding card.
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LPFR - To take your thinking to its obvious conclusion, why are us skinny people such as my wife and I subsidising the fat b******s or those drastically overdressed ie wearing several items of clothing that would otherwise have put bag overweight?
Perhaps what should be weighed at check-in is pax + bags and fare adjusted accordingly. Going by your argument this would be the fairest all round.
AFAIK RYR were the first to introduce this ludicrous charge, AKA RYR tax, and were followed by the other locos then came the check-in scam started by RYR.
I consider them a cancer and will never use them again.
Perhaps what should be weighed at check-in is pax + bags and fare adjusted accordingly. Going by your argument this would be the fairest all round.
AFAIK RYR were the first to introduce this ludicrous charge, AKA RYR tax, and were followed by the other locos then came the check-in scam started by RYR.
I consider them a cancer and will never use them again.
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It is certainly an interesting business model that Ryanair is pursuing, seemingly aiming for a baggage-free passenger load. Let's not knock it, as it caters to a market - a market that will obviously grow as people change their travel habits to fit in with the way Ryanair operates.
My local Indian restaurant provides an excellent service and delicious food. But not everyone wants to go in and sit down for a meal; so it offers a 10% discount for take-aways. If it were to reduce prices overall and add, say, a 20% or 30% surcharge for eating in, then I expect it might well be able to expand the take-away side of the business and reduce seating capacity, and thus costs. Down the road is another facility that has done just that, and now only provides a take-away service. My point is that as the market matures, service providers change their product to reflect that, which has the effect of encouraging the market to change further.
We are now seeing numerous airlines charging to carry baggage. As less baggage is taken, fewer traditional check-in desks will be needed, and people will get used to travelling light, change their behaviour accordingly or send stuff in advance by post. What Ryanair is doing is not just testing the market, but trying to lead market change by introducing pricing that pressurises it into change. Whether the market is ready for, and able to accommodate, that change will determine who wins.
My local Indian restaurant provides an excellent service and delicious food. But not everyone wants to go in and sit down for a meal; so it offers a 10% discount for take-aways. If it were to reduce prices overall and add, say, a 20% or 30% surcharge for eating in, then I expect it might well be able to expand the take-away side of the business and reduce seating capacity, and thus costs. Down the road is another facility that has done just that, and now only provides a take-away service. My point is that as the market matures, service providers change their product to reflect that, which has the effect of encouraging the market to change further.
We are now seeing numerous airlines charging to carry baggage. As less baggage is taken, fewer traditional check-in desks will be needed, and people will get used to travelling light, change their behaviour accordingly or send stuff in advance by post. What Ryanair is doing is not just testing the market, but trying to lead market change by introducing pricing that pressurises it into change. Whether the market is ready for, and able to accommodate, that change will determine who wins.
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al446
I consider them cancer and will never fly with them again.
Why?
I have just booked flights with FR at half the nearest competitor price inc taxes fees, etc etc. Some fares were 4 times as much. I for one am pleased to have a reliable airline using modern aircraft and at suitable times. I use them all and FR is not first choice but I cannot ignore them
I consider them cancer and will never fly with them again.
Why?
I have just booked flights with FR at half the nearest competitor price inc taxes fees, etc etc. Some fares were 4 times as much. I for one am pleased to have a reliable airline using modern aircraft and at suitable times. I use them all and FR is not first choice but I cannot ignore them
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al446
I consider you and your brand of unionism a cancer on society and a dinosaur in a modern age.
Long Live Maggie Thatcher and her anti union policies.
You wont fly RYR because you might meet one of the pilots you have "P'd" off and be off loaded as a danger to flight.
Crawl back under your rock with Mrs al446 and plan for the next revolution.
I consider you and your brand of unionism a cancer on society and a dinosaur in a modern age.
Long Live Maggie Thatcher and her anti union policies.
You wont fly RYR because you might meet one of the pilots you have "P'd" off and be off loaded as a danger to flight.
Crawl back under your rock with Mrs al446 and plan for the next revolution.
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Constantflyer - your opening sentence is very interesting :-
"...a market that will obviously grow as people change their travel habits to fit in with the way Ryanair operates."
This is where I am obviously going wrong with my 20+ years in the airline industry. I was under the believe, now firmly identified as wrong, that airlines sit in the service sector and like the rail and bus network need to evolve to meet the needs of the travelling public. Not anymore the gospel according to Ryanair supporters is we must change our travel habbits to meet the requirements of Ryanair.
For those that constantly rant on about not having to fly with Ryanair many have no choice as for many the monster that Ryanair has become has destroyed choice by driving the competition away. So Mr and Mrs Respectable that may want to fly with an airline that puts customer service, and generally customers first, no longer have this choice from the local airport down the road as Ryanair have driven the higher quality competition away. Now if you want to fly from the local airport you may find yourself having to slum it with Wayne and Wayneter and the rest of the chavs who blindly think they are getting a low cost fair based on lead-in unobtainable fares.
Thankfully I fly from the airport that for various reasons Ryanair does not operate from and long may this situation last. Newcastle thankfully has airlines that offer good VALUE fares and offer a generally high level of customer service I would hate for the people of the North East to have choice removed from them.
"...a market that will obviously grow as people change their travel habits to fit in with the way Ryanair operates."
This is where I am obviously going wrong with my 20+ years in the airline industry. I was under the believe, now firmly identified as wrong, that airlines sit in the service sector and like the rail and bus network need to evolve to meet the needs of the travelling public. Not anymore the gospel according to Ryanair supporters is we must change our travel habbits to meet the requirements of Ryanair.
For those that constantly rant on about not having to fly with Ryanair many have no choice as for many the monster that Ryanair has become has destroyed choice by driving the competition away. So Mr and Mrs Respectable that may want to fly with an airline that puts customer service, and generally customers first, no longer have this choice from the local airport down the road as Ryanair have driven the higher quality competition away. Now if you want to fly from the local airport you may find yourself having to slum it with Wayne and Wayneter and the rest of the chavs who blindly think they are getting a low cost fair based on lead-in unobtainable fares.
Thankfully I fly from the airport that for various reasons Ryanair does not operate from and long may this situation last. Newcastle thankfully has airlines that offer good VALUE fares and offer a generally high level of customer service I would hate for the people of the North East to have choice removed from them.
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al446 - Thats not a very nice thing to say. Taking a bag is an option, but some people are overweight not cause they choose to, but they may have any kind of disorder.
Besides, the main problem for Ryanair isn't exactly the weight itself, but the fact that the more bags there are on a flight the longer it takes to load and offload them, that may contribute to a delay on the tight 25min turn arounds. Plus, more bags mean more check-in desks and baggage handlers.
I agree with you on the part of passengers wearing loads of clothes to not have to pay for a bag and check them in.
Going away with them next week to Brussels. Already checked-in, just taking hand luggage with some clothes and a jacket and ready to go. More than enough for a few days.
Besides, the main problem for Ryanair isn't exactly the weight itself, but the fact that the more bags there are on a flight the longer it takes to load and offload them, that may contribute to a delay on the tight 25min turn arounds. Plus, more bags mean more check-in desks and baggage handlers.
I agree with you on the part of passengers wearing loads of clothes to not have to pay for a bag and check them in.
Going away with them next week to Brussels. Already checked-in, just taking hand luggage with some clothes and a jacket and ready to go. More than enough for a few days.
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OK - Let's take the flames in order.
MM - "What a great contribution........turn the light out when
you leave!" And that says what about you? Obviously full of the intellectual rigour you gained at university (you did go didn't you?) you have constructed this sentence beautifully. Many thanks for your input.
ConstantFlyer - Whilst I recognise it was not a flame per se, let me challenge some of what you state. The 10% reduction is due to take away foodstuffs not attracting VAT, nothing to do with their business model. Look around, all restaurants that cater to both markets have the same discount. I don't know where you are so cannot comment on local diner's habits but suspect that the change in seating arrangements has been made to utilise space in a depressed market. I doubt that they led this or caused the market to change and would wager that their seating is in storage awaiting a market upturn. This is unlike RYR who brought in business practices previously unheard of in European aviation. It would be purely a personal view whether that is for better or worse, mine is the latter.
rpmac - See above.
Day_Dreamer - "You wont fly RYR because you might meet one of the pilots you have "P'd" off and be off loaded as a danger to flight." Do you know something I don't? Even the mods don't know my identity so I can only assume you have 'put someone on the case' to track me down. Flattering. I would not be surprised given your email to me Peter. As an aside, I do not believe in revolution but prefer evolution, that is part of my gripe with RYR.
ncleflights - Once again not a flame, far from it. I am in almost full agreement with you but I am quite happy for Wayne & Waynetta to be on the same flight, they may turn out to be nice people and, if not, it's only for 3hrs max. Live & let live.
LPFR - I agree that some pax may have disorders that blight them causing obesity but the stats show UK populace tending towards greater obesity. It may not be very nice but is a fact of life. There are many wheelchair users in UK but it took newspaper publicity to shame RYR into NOT charging a premium on wheelchair users several years ago. Perhaps next they will be shamed into abandoning baggage charges, especially the ludicrous limit of 15kg which is effectively a tax on parents who fly with small children. Whilst I understand the argument of the turn around time (who stipulated 25 mins in the first place?) it takes as long to load a 15kg bag as a 20kg so why the surcharge? It is a limit dreamed up to provide a cash cow for RYR. Why don't they just say 'hand luggage only' and stop flying to holiday destinations?
Enjoy Brussels.
MM - "What a great contribution........turn the light out when
you leave!" And that says what about you? Obviously full of the intellectual rigour you gained at university (you did go didn't you?) you have constructed this sentence beautifully. Many thanks for your input.
ConstantFlyer - Whilst I recognise it was not a flame per se, let me challenge some of what you state. The 10% reduction is due to take away foodstuffs not attracting VAT, nothing to do with their business model. Look around, all restaurants that cater to both markets have the same discount. I don't know where you are so cannot comment on local diner's habits but suspect that the change in seating arrangements has been made to utilise space in a depressed market. I doubt that they led this or caused the market to change and would wager that their seating is in storage awaiting a market upturn. This is unlike RYR who brought in business practices previously unheard of in European aviation. It would be purely a personal view whether that is for better or worse, mine is the latter.
rpmac - See above.
Day_Dreamer - "You wont fly RYR because you might meet one of the pilots you have "P'd" off and be off loaded as a danger to flight." Do you know something I don't? Even the mods don't know my identity so I can only assume you have 'put someone on the case' to track me down. Flattering. I would not be surprised given your email to me Peter. As an aside, I do not believe in revolution but prefer evolution, that is part of my gripe with RYR.
ncleflights - Once again not a flame, far from it. I am in almost full agreement with you but I am quite happy for Wayne & Waynetta to be on the same flight, they may turn out to be nice people and, if not, it's only for 3hrs max. Live & let live.
LPFR - I agree that some pax may have disorders that blight them causing obesity but the stats show UK populace tending towards greater obesity. It may not be very nice but is a fact of life. There are many wheelchair users in UK but it took newspaper publicity to shame RYR into NOT charging a premium on wheelchair users several years ago. Perhaps next they will be shamed into abandoning baggage charges, especially the ludicrous limit of 15kg which is effectively a tax on parents who fly with small children. Whilst I understand the argument of the turn around time (who stipulated 25 mins in the first place?) it takes as long to load a 15kg bag as a 20kg so why the surcharge? It is a limit dreamed up to provide a cash cow for RYR. Why don't they just say 'hand luggage only' and stop flying to holiday destinations?
Enjoy Brussels.
AFAIK RYR were the first to introduce this ludicrous charge, AKA RYR tax, and were followed by the other locos then came the check-in scam started by RYR.
I was under the believe, now firmly identified as wrong, that airlines sit in the service sector and like the rail and bus network need to evolve to meet the needs of the travelling public.
Customer behaviour seems only to change when faced with a cost and service providers find that while some peope will change easily with a cost there are others who don't care and will pay the cost.