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^ Spot on
They do what they do extremely well. If you want a 'Tesco Value' airline they fill that need.
However in doing so they've revolutionised the market and therefore put a lot of airlines out of business and a lot of crew and staff out of work. Hence the hatred here.
(PS I don't expect this thread to last long
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They do what they do extremely well. If you want a 'Tesco Value' airline they fill that need.
However in doing so they've revolutionised the market and therefore put a lot of airlines out of business and a lot of crew and staff out of work. Hence the hatred here.
(PS I don't expect this thread to last long
)
Just my two cents ...
The aviation industry is still a very young/new one by any measure.
Its growth has included incorporating the image of Glamor and as a result led to a level of social status being associated with those in the industry, particularly fight and cabin crew.
Over the last two decades or so, the industry has gone through some stiff growing pains. In Europe, the main legacy carriers (or "flag carriers" if you prefer) have been cut free from the protected lives they lead under state ownership (in the US, the airlines can still hide under the apron of Chapter 11 from time to time) and had to deal with the realities of the free market.
Added to that, price competition for customers, which, has resulted in increased passenger numbers, but perhaps a lessening of the caliber of individual flying and as a result, the loss of glamor and status.
At the vanguard of this upheaval has been Ryanair. Reducing prices and pitching flying at the same level as a regional bus service (with an equivilent level of glamor).
They have also changed with nature of the employer - employee relationship. Moving from the "centralised" unionised negotitation model of the legacy carriers to a more hierarcic structure.
For many in the industry, this has in reality or perception eroded their status and potential earnings. As such, rightly or wrongly, it is seen as a threat.
As a business, Ryanair has, for the most part, been a success. For consumers, it has expanded the availablity of flying and reduced prices in the markets into which it operates (well it certainly has in Ireland). But for some in the industry, and this is an industry website, a cynic might say they are vested interests, the changes being experienced are not welcome.
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The aviation industry is still a very young/new one by any measure.
Its growth has included incorporating the image of Glamor and as a result led to a level of social status being associated with those in the industry, particularly fight and cabin crew.
Over the last two decades or so, the industry has gone through some stiff growing pains. In Europe, the main legacy carriers (or "flag carriers" if you prefer) have been cut free from the protected lives they lead under state ownership (in the US, the airlines can still hide under the apron of Chapter 11 from time to time) and had to deal with the realities of the free market.
Added to that, price competition for customers, which, has resulted in increased passenger numbers, but perhaps a lessening of the caliber of individual flying and as a result, the loss of glamor and status.
At the vanguard of this upheaval has been Ryanair. Reducing prices and pitching flying at the same level as a regional bus service (with an equivilent level of glamor).
They have also changed with nature of the employer - employee relationship. Moving from the "centralised" unionised negotitation model of the legacy carriers to a more hierarcic structure.
For many in the industry, this has in reality or perception eroded their status and potential earnings. As such, rightly or wrongly, it is seen as a threat.
As a business, Ryanair has, for the most part, been a success. For consumers, it has expanded the availablity of flying and reduced prices in the markets into which it operates (well it certainly has in Ireland). But for some in the industry, and this is an industry website, a cynic might say they are vested interests, the changes being experienced are not welcome.
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3 planes, not 4. 
2 are already in Porto and the will arrive in October. Adding to the new routes, those planes will make 2 daily connections to Madrid, one daily connection to Paris and London-Stansted a a connection to Brussels-Charleroi 4 times a week. I think with all those connections all the 3 planes will have a full timetable. But in the other hand, MOL, interviewed by a portuguese channel said Ryanair will open 15 new routes. Only 9 have been announced. I don't know what to think. PS: Here's a video with the "interview". It's in portuguese but what MOL said is in English. Ryanair abre 1ª base em Faro - Sapo Vdeos
2 are already in Porto and the will arrive in October. Adding to the new routes, those planes will make 2 daily connections to Madrid, one daily connection to Paris and London-Stansted a a connection to Brussels-Charleroi 4 times a week. I think with all those connections all the 3 planes will have a full timetable. But in the other hand, MOL, interviewed by a portuguese channel said Ryanair will open 15 new routes. Only 9 have been announced. I don't know what to think. PS: Here's a video with the "interview". It's in portuguese but what MOL said is in English. Ryanair abre 1ª base em Faro - Sapo Vdeos
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There is no mystery as far as I am concerned, it is a simple fact Ryanair is one of those products (the product in this case being air service) that people either love or hate.
From my perspective that is because, when all goes well then they are great but if anything goes wrong god help you.
Also it is a case their media machine goes overboard blaming everyone else for whatever happens and some of us find that tedious and annoying.
From my perspective that is because, when all goes well then they are great but if anything goes wrong god help you.
Also it is a case their media machine goes overboard blaming everyone else for whatever happens and some of us find that tedious and annoying.
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Originally Posted by mickyman
if they are so bad how come [...]they carried so many passengers?
Why do people get the hackles up at the name Ryanair? - Well maybe it's the noise jarring as MOL constantly chucks his toys out of the pram ALA BLK and MAN of late.
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Ryanair are popular because they are cheap and on the whole they do a reasonable job for the prices they charge.
Their one major failing is when things go wrong, they're completely useless at holding their hand up and admiting they could ever be wrong.
The vast majority of their passengers now know that the destination airport is where it is and not in the City Centre, what most of the travelling public fail to appreciate is that if you are prepared or able to book early enough, you'll probably pay the same or less with a mainstream airline nearer to or at the place you want to go to.
Ryanair's employees, particularly pilots, work for them because they want to or are gaining enough experience to move on when the time is right. Those who don't like it don't have to stay.
Their one major failing is when things go wrong, they're completely useless at holding their hand up and admiting they could ever be wrong.
The vast majority of their passengers now know that the destination airport is where it is and not in the City Centre, what most of the travelling public fail to appreciate is that if you are prepared or able to book early enough, you'll probably pay the same or less with a mainstream airline nearer to or at the place you want to go to.
Ryanair's employees, particularly pilots, work for them because they want to or are gaining enough experience to move on when the time is right. Those who don't like it don't have to stay.
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......and now for something completly different........
Questions for my learned friends.
Where do you see FR in 5, 10 and 20 years time?
60 ish million passengers last year. Is this on the up, or will it stay the same?
What is the market growth for europe?
Really, how many other new airports are out there to operate routes to?
MOL said they would order aircraft up to 400. Is there a demand for them?
Has the Ryanair 'brand' been damaged too much for heritage airports to deal with the arrogance and contempt held by MOL and management in the past?
This is not a chance to bash them, just serious questions, and partially to get away from the other arguments.
Questions for my learned friends.
Where do you see FR in 5, 10 and 20 years time?
60 ish million passengers last year. Is this on the up, or will it stay the same?
What is the market growth for europe?
Really, how many other new airports are out there to operate routes to?
MOL said they would order aircraft up to 400. Is there a demand for them?
Has the Ryanair 'brand' been damaged too much for heritage airports to deal with the arrogance and contempt held by MOL and management in the past?
This is not a chance to bash them, just serious questions, and partially to get away from the other arguments.
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I see FR having another go an the 10€ Irish tax. This time they state DAA passengers numbers are down - however FR and EI both grew in August due to foreign business. Since EI only operates out or Ireland and UK (both countries have a tourist tax) - then clearly this tax has not affected EI's business and the FR argument is a load of rubbish?
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Where do you see FR in 5, 10 and 20 years time?
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then clearly this tax has not affected EI's business and the FR argument is a load of rubbish?
RTÉ Business: Travel tax could spark Aer Lingus cuts
And to quote Mr. Barrington again:
RTÉ Business: Aer Lingus says outlook highly uncertain
'Our results have also been adversely affected by the imposition of the €10 passenger departure tax in Ireland, which we believe is very short sighted and counter productive in the current, very difficult conditions being faced by airlines and by the Irish business and tourism sectors,' Mr Barrington added.
FR and EI don't often agree but on this one they do.
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Imagine the figure that could be achieved if they rebranded themselves as a more customer friendly entity
I see FR and EI growing in tandem. EI to set up a wide range of bases in Britain if it can sort out costs at home. The two airlines complementing each other whether in total control of MOL or not.... Instead of Ryanair moving in on the big airports, EI could do that and offer a decent product because of it's good reputation. I think that is why MOL is so keen on taking EI so that he can offer the complete package with two airlines that otherwise couldn't be done by Ryanair on it's own.
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I see Ryanair rebranding or someone else copying the model but being more customer focused.
Ryanair based their model on Southwest yet looking at Southwest's web site you can see a divergence where at present only one seems to cherish the total customer experience. Southwest have on their web site published a clear safety statement, a clear customer service commitment where "dedication to the highest quality of customer service delivered with a sense of warmth, friendliness, individual pride and company spirit'. WOW! Obviously the success of this philosophy is that they carry 100 million a year and use 500 aircraft.
Ryanair probably realise the customer experience is the next frontier for driving revenues and profitability.
Ryanair based their model on Southwest yet looking at Southwest's web site you can see a divergence where at present only one seems to cherish the total customer experience. Southwest have on their web site published a clear safety statement, a clear customer service commitment where "dedication to the highest quality of customer service delivered with a sense of warmth, friendliness, individual pride and company spirit'. WOW! Obviously the success of this philosophy is that they carry 100 million a year and use 500 aircraft.
Ryanair probably realise the customer experience is the next frontier for driving revenues and profitability.
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Here is an ideal scenario; Ryanair take over Aer Lingus and Wizz Air. They run 2 separate airlines Ryanair and Aer Lingus + Wizz as the other.
Aer Lingus/Wizz all Airbus and Ryanair all Boeing. Wizz brand disappears, WizzAir website will be used systematically for bookings in markets that Aer Lingus brand is not well known.
The 2 carriers grow and Aer Lingus gets access to lots of new markets without the threat of Ryanair.
I cant see Ryanair becoming rebranded any time soon, they will get stronger and stronger and I simply cant see any 'new' airline coming in to replicate the model and be more customer focussed (we already have Easyjet Wizz etc!!). The scene has been set and the arrival of any new significant players in Europe any time soon us unlikely, unless of course Ryanair have a serious accident and the masses avoid same.
I was in Bratislava this week and am amazed at the gaps that have been left by SkyEuropes departure. Rome, Paris, Manchester etc. 10 routes that SkyEurope operated exclusively now have no replacement airlines. Some of these must be of interest to Wizz/Ryanair?
I read in the airport timetable, there are 32 scheduled destinations (pre SkyEurope closure) now thats 22!!!
Aer Lingus/Wizz all Airbus and Ryanair all Boeing. Wizz brand disappears, WizzAir website will be used systematically for bookings in markets that Aer Lingus brand is not well known.
The 2 carriers grow and Aer Lingus gets access to lots of new markets without the threat of Ryanair.
someone else copying the model
I was in Bratislava this week and am amazed at the gaps that have been left by SkyEuropes departure. Rome, Paris, Manchester etc. 10 routes that SkyEurope operated exclusively now have no replacement airlines. Some of these must be of interest to Wizz/Ryanair?
I read in the airport timetable, there are 32 scheduled destinations (pre SkyEurope closure) now thats 22!!!
Obviously the success of this philosophy is that they carry 100 million a year and use 500 aircraft.
Ryanair probably realise the customer experience is the next frontier for driving revenues and profitability.
Ryanair probably realise the customer experience is the next frontier for driving revenues and profitability.
Growth phase has probably 5 years to run before consolidation at inexcess of 90 million passengers.
Biggest issue FR face is who will replace MOL and then who will replace the person who replaces MOL, there in lies the biggest risk to its future.
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I don´t understand:
"A forthcoming trip includes three sectors on Ryanair costing all-in £5-01, £4-70 and £6"
Why can you have a fare of £4.70 when it costs £5 to print out your own boarding card?
"A forthcoming trip includes three sectors on Ryanair costing all-in £5-01, £4-70 and £6"
Why can you have a fare of £4.70 when it costs £5 to print out your own boarding card?
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Racedo, yes the appointment of a new CEO will be quite a challenge but also an opportunity for a change in style and direction.
Of course SW need more aircraft. To quote a few facts: Southwest's longest daily flight is 2295 miles, their average flight duration is 1 hr 55 mins and each of their aircraft makes 6.2 flights a day and are utilised 12 hrs and 9 mins a day with a load factor of 71.2%. They carried 101.9 million pax. They are 79% unionised! Average airfare is $113.97 with 77% checking in online. They fly to 67 cities. They don't follow a model of flying there one day and gone the next.
Europe is a huge market (if you treat your customers right). 11% of the worlds population live here (compared to 4.5% in the USA).
Of course SW need more aircraft. To quote a few facts: Southwest's longest daily flight is 2295 miles, their average flight duration is 1 hr 55 mins and each of their aircraft makes 6.2 flights a day and are utilised 12 hrs and 9 mins a day with a load factor of 71.2%. They carried 101.9 million pax. They are 79% unionised! Average airfare is $113.97 with 77% checking in online. They fly to 67 cities. They don't follow a model of flying there one day and gone the next.
Europe is a huge market (if you treat your customers right). 11% of the worlds population live here (compared to 4.5% in the USA).
Southwest's longest daily flight is 2295 miles, their average flight duration is 1 hr 55 mins and each of their aircraft makes 6.2 flights a day and are utilised 12 hrs and 9 mins a day with a load factor of 71.2%. They carried 101.9 million pax. They are 79% unionised! Average airfare is $113.97 with 77% checking in online. They fly to 67 cities
Ryanairs average route is 1280km
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racedo, what is Ryanairs shortest / longest flight? As a comparison those figures you just gave seem impressive but are skewed. They are a prime example of a misuse of statistics and mean very little. You are quick though, and as a matter of interest do you have any statistics on the 'Cellar of wonder'?