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Old 13th Dec 2010, 12:55
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wizz

announced today, another new route to tirgu mures in romania

3 x weekly

this will wizz air's 22nd route from luton. at this rate they will soon operate more routes than easyjet
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Old 13th Dec 2010, 13:22
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Wizz/easyjet

Plus the Wizz Brno service goes up to four weekly from next March.
Also easyJet are set to launch their full summer 2011 schedule over the next few days according to an internal memo with quote ''some exciting new routes including the Middle East''. Wonder if any from Luton?
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Old 14th Dec 2010, 16:18
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Latest Passenger Figures

Passenger figures for November 2010 were 597,853 down just 0.1 per cent with the rolling 12 month figure of 8,718,986 down 5.1 per cent. This means that Luton has regained fifth place in the UK passenger list taking over from Edinburgh which suffered badly in November due to the severe weather.
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Old 14th Dec 2010, 16:42
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AerArann moving

Just heard from a management source within AerArann that they are moving all their Luton Ops to Southend from the end of March 2011. Waterford and Galway airports are not happy.
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The Irish community in Luton & North London will love that, good move Arann, alienate a loyal customer base and most profitable routes, these customers will probably never touch you again!
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Old 15th Dec 2010, 11:16
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Seems to open the door for Ryanair, if they want to get in to this sector.

Arran wont be around long, whole fleet will soon be working for Aer Lingus Commuter or whatever they call themselves now !.

That will be the only thing that saves this airline,
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Old 15th Dec 2010, 11:29
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Can't see Ryanair being interested ... market is too small for a 737 and I would have thought that the runways would be too short at Galway and Waterford.

Now FlyBe could be a completely different kettle of fish!
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Old 15th Dec 2010, 12:54
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GWY runway is way too short.
WAT runway is longer than GWY but still to short for a B738
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Old 15th Dec 2010, 13:36
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Grrr

Bring back EuroCeltic!

How about City Jet with a Fokker, or Manx 2, or even Eastern? An established market and a catchment area without a seaside pier or estuary.

Maybe a business opportunity? Fly Buster Bair (with free sarnies)!
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Old 15th Dec 2010, 14:29
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Sounds good Buster!

Whats this!?.....I see you've managed to escape the zoo for some seasonal moonlighting!


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Old 15th Dec 2010, 14:33
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You'd never make the economics stack up on these routes with anything under 50 seats really...so needs to be an ATR or Dash 8 or Fokker 50 really.

Dare I say it...but the most obvious candidate out of them all would be flyBe but I just don't see them being prepared to do anything that would allow them to produce the extra Dash 8 aircraft capacity at LTN.

Perhaps flyBe would think about LGW-WAT and LGW-GWY though...or is the Irish community linked to these regions more north-london-centric?
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Old 15th Dec 2010, 14:52
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Could see FR pick up more of the LTN market.

NOC - LTN was 7x but dropped to 4x weekly for the winter. Long established NL route close to GWY so scope there though NOC-STN/LGW also served.

SNN-LTN not currently operated, and unlikely to see FR grow at SNN given the recent pull-out and KIR-LTN.

ORK- LTN also vacant and with talk of FR expansion here it would seem likely, again sharing WAT catchment.
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Old 15th Dec 2010, 15:43
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As I posted previously I think Scot with the Do328 would work (they flew WAT many moons ago with the 228) but doubt they'd have the commercial effort or want to set up reservations. Who could do that for them - Blue Island?

Eastern or Southwest have the aircraft but Luton would be an outstation. Anyone else needs to figure out somewhere else for the aircraft to go at one non business senstive rotation per day. Rotterdam? Monchengladbach?

I think the routes are most likely to just die to be honest. Anyone know how many pax they carry annually?
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Old 15th Dec 2010, 16:24
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Arann stats

CAA statistics in 2009 show GWY=67980 WAT=71027.

Remember these were double daily!
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Old 15th Dec 2010, 16:27
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Waterford/galway

I have heard it said many times that the pax who fly on these routes are some of the best spenders at the airport so would think this year the routes would see approx 100,000 passengers with the reduced frequency - not to be sniffed at I would have thought.
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Old 15th Dec 2010, 16:57
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Grrr

I look good with a beard! 100,000 lax is a substantial number to lose.
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Old 15th Dec 2010, 20:03
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The looser in the long run for this is likely to be Aer Arran, if the airport can find another carrier to pick up these very successful routes and maintain similar prices.

Aer Arran will end up flying to an airport where no one wants to go to and will be unable to come back LTN if someone else comes in and picks up where they left off.

I hope the likes of FlyBE are willing to pick up the routes, but not too sure if it will be them... They seem reluctant to fly other routes out of LTN with their main base for London being south of the river.

The only reason the the IOM and JER routes work is because they are operated from these respected bases. It would work if the airline offered some sort of W route, like:

IOM-LTN-WAT-LTN-GWY-LTN-IOM
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IOM-LTN-WAT-GWY-LTN
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Old 15th Dec 2010, 22:18
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Flybe would need to have a base in Waterford to make the route work. They operated out of GWY before and it didn't go very well at all.
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Old 15th Dec 2010, 23:19
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I think all or almost all Flybe ops are operated ex IoM and I really don't see them basing in Luton or GWY/WAT so think they are a non starter. Having a go ex LGW or BHX is another matter but I don't think so.

I think Buster might have it right- a locally backed start up with ATR 42's or Dash 8-300s but that is a long shot,given the economy especially over the water.

And I guess a good chunk of the Irish orginating traffic will fly to London Southend. Incidently will the new terminal there provide them with much to spend their money on?

I remember years ago when Luton was said to be full we wanted more LTN non-originating traffic- although often knocked management at LTN whether by accdient or design the right game was played with Wizz Air. Exactly what was needed- Now we need another!
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Old 16th Dec 2010, 11:38
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Ryanair Frequencies

Just for the record, both LTN-NOC and LTN-KIR are daily during the winter. Knock was only 4 x weekly during the summer.
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