BA Cityflyer

[BKS Air Transport]

In a way does it matter if BACF are making profits or not? Question is could BA make more money on their investment by concentrating on their core activities, mainly flying big jets long distances out of Heathrow? I don't claim to know.

[time4parties]

BACF's existence allows BA to operate more big jets out of LHR.... BACF is inheriting BA and BMI airbus routes, so that a jumbo or a 777 can replace those heathrow slots. Therefore in a way it is somewhat irrelevant if BACF makes profit or not as out of its existence the BA group will make more money! At the moment LCY is the answer to the third runway....

[Hendra]

Given BA mainline are focused on the long haul side of things and replacing the bmi short haul slots at lhr with long haul aircraft...i agree it would allow BACF to target the buissness pax side of things..people heading to london for day buisness etc and adhoc charters - therefore looking at BA as a whole it can only be a good thing

[Cyrano]

Originally Posted by CabinCrewe

BACF profits are not reported seperately

Not strictly true. You can acquire the BACF accounts up to the end of 2010 on the Companies House website for the princely sum of £1.00. Of course one can debate the ins and outs of transfer pricing between BA entities and its effect on profitability, but the BACF accounts are available (with a bit of a delay).

[A Nonny Mouse]

I alway thought that the point of BACON was to move some short haul to City in order to free up slots for long haul at Hounslow International.

Surely, now they have gotten ahold of all those juicy BMI slots, they no longer need BACON at City to free up slots at Hounslow.........

squeak, squeak

[BAladdy]

BACF to IOM

BACF will launch a new service from IOM to LCY from 28MAY12 initially the service will operate on a Embraer E170. Frequency will increase to up to 3 daily from 25JUN12 and operational aircraft will be provided by a 50 seater Eastern Airways’ Saab 2000 aircraft.

Before entering service on the route the S2000 will be painted into BA colours. The aircraft will be flown by T3 flight crew. With the onboard cabin service being provided by BACF crew.

Sounds like BACF are leasing the aircraft for a while especially since they are training there crew on it.

[cornishsimon]

If BACF are going back into the 50 seatet turboprop market it's about time we see lcy-NQY ?

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[AirLCY]

Where is this info from? Surprised BA would train crew on another airlines aircraft.

[BAladdy]

Where is this info from? Surprised BA would train crew on another airlines aircraft.

British Airways to Start London City – Isle of Man from late-May 2012 | Airline Route

I was quite suprised that they are training crew on the S2000.

[towser]

Just to clarify it will be Eastern Airways cabin crew on the S2000 but they will be trained in the BA product and wear BA uniform.

[BAladdy]

Just to clarify it will be Eastern Airways cabin crew on the S2000 but they will be trained in the BA product and wear BA uniform.

Ahh that makes more sense.. Thanks for info.

[Omnipresent]

I alway thought that the point of BACON was to move some short haul to City in order to free up slots for long haul at Hounslow International.

Surely, now they have gotten ahold of all those juicy BMI slots, they no longer need BACON at City to free up slots at Hounslow.........

Whilst it was planned that some short-haul capacity would move from LHR to LCY to free up slots for long-haul expansion pre bmi, CityFlyer still has a purpose in consolidating BA's position in London and serving the corporate market in Canary Wharf.

I understand short-haul yields at LCY are good and arguably it's a rare success story where BA has grown steadily and managed to outgrow the competition outside of the LHR hub.

[Skipness One Echo]

This is interesting, Copenhagen swapped for Ronaldsway and Aberdeen to come. It's all going a bit UK Regional again, not something I would have thought given the history. I must say a Saab 2000 will be nice in BA Colours and if the fares are decent (I mean cheaper then Eastern, I have no wish to sell a kidney!), I might try out the product next time.
cornishsimon may yet see a summer Newquay as there is some downtime post lunch before the evening wave.

[WHBM]

So we're back to BA franchise operations again.

Ah, the Grand Old Duke of York, he had 10,000 men ......

[AirLCY]

Its not a franchise it's a wet lease by BA CityFlyer

[Hendra]

Is it a way of securing as many limited slots into lcy as they can

[A Nonny Mouse]

Will slots remain a major issue in the future?

[JSCL]

The slot depletion argument at LCY is heavily over exaggerated. I can see that theres slot availability to the top end of the 8AM during S12 every day of the week. For the rest of the day, there are plenty of slots floating around, slot depletion isn't an issue for LCY or BACF for the near future. Hence they are able to pop up routes quite easiy at the moment.

[Cloud1]

This is quite an interesting move - I wonder what made them select T3 because they do not have any other relationship with them do they? I know Eastern provide aircraft and crew but what would the additional cost be - will the route pay for itself

Its like one big circle though, T3 ended up with ex-BA jetstreams, and now BA are having an S2000 back in their own colours. The S2000 looks pretty identical to the ATP which use to appear in BA's old livery.

[WHBM]

Originally Posted by Cloud1

This is quite an interesting move - I wonder what made them select T3 because they do not have any other relationship with them do they? ...... Its like one big circle though, T3 ended up with ex-BA Jetstreams.

I think you are answering your own question here; the bulk of Eastern's Jetstream 41 fleet came from BA about 8 years ago when BA pulled out of regional ops, in a very sweetheart deal; they might actually still be legally owned by BA but leased to Eastern.

Goes around - Comes around is not unknown elsewhere at LCY - look how Cityjet squeezed out their subcontracted Scot Airways operations, now they seem to be significantly back.