BA Cityflyer

[Longhitter]

Slightly Reinforced?

[ara01jbb]

Sharpish Rotation?

[wasaspacecadet]

Computer-generated image of E-jet in BA livery on the Embraer site. Embraer - Empresa Brasileira de Aeronáutica S.A.

Rob

[goerring]

Speedbrake Repaired !

[RVF750]

Hmmm.

Flybe's outstanding options perhaps?

[Serenity]

Ready to bring in house with Flybe more like!!!

[DutchBird-757]

Just to add a little. 190SR stands for 190 "Short Runway". You won't find it yet on the Embraer site as it's specifically developed for BACF.

The order also includes purchase rights for another 15 E-jets. All our E-jets will come with ACARS and CATIII3A autoland. (No HUD)

And you're gonna love seatpitch on the 190SR. Because it's limited to 98 seats you've got a 36" pitch throughout with even 40" on row 1! (no wardrobe) First E-jets are going to arrive in SEP09 (2x) and will be online in OCT09. Delivery roughly 1 every month.

A very smart choice and a great commitment to BACF and LCY!
Indeed a great christmas!

[Cyrano]

Originally Posted by DutchBird-757

Because it's limited to 98 seats you've got a 36" pitch throughout with even 40" on row 1!

Are you sure about that? According to the Embraer website (choose "98 seats") it's 32-33". Still a good seat pitch, don't get me wrong, but not exactly 36"!

(And the E170 with 76 seats is a 30-31" pitch according to the Embraer site - that seems like quite a big difference in cabin comfort between BA's variants?)

[DutchBird-757]

Well, can only say what I've heard. I've had a look at the Embraer site and it looks to be 32/33" indeed. But still nice to have the 2-2 layout.

[Flatspin_Fumble]

Thats excellent news for all at BACF. I think the seat pitch is somewhat irrelevant in the big scheme of things, must say, it looks good in the BA livery, almost as good as the Flybe 195's.

Merry Christmas.
FF

[midweeksaint]

Thanks for the detail Dutchbird. Why would a specific variant need to be developed for BACF?

[virginblue]

Just to add a little. 190SR stands for 190 "Short Runway". You won't find it yet on the Embraer site as it's specifically developed for BACF.

The order also includes purchase rights for another 15 E-jets. All our E-jets will come with ACARS and CATIII3A autoland. (No HUD)

And you're gonna love seatpitch on the 190SR. Because it's limited to 98 seats you've got a 36" pitch throughout with even 40" on row 1! (no wardrobe) First E-jets are going to arrive in SEP09 (2x) and will be online in OCT09. Delivery roughly 1 every month.

Any word what the perimeter is for a useful load? Embraer's official data for the standard E190 is:

Take Off Field Length, ISA, SL, MTOW 6,745ft 2,056m
Take Off Field Length, ISA, SL, TOW for 500nm 4,157ft 1,267m

Does the "SR" do anything about it or is it just the steep approach modification? From the paper, 500nm would be the max. range with a full load. Places like Nice or Milan would be a stretch, and Madrid, Barcelona, Warszawa, Vienna out of reach.

[100above]

Great news for CityFlyer - I guess the only guys who will be disappointed were the few who hoped the company would disappear once the RJ leases ended and that they would be transferred to mainline. The scope agreement driving the 98 seat layout of the E190s suggests that BA intend to continue to keep CityFlyer quite separate from mainline. I'm intrgued though by the suggestion that they have purchase options on another 15 E jets. Surely LCY capacity constraints would limit their expansion out of the city itself. Whatever they do with them its good to see some investment in the industry right now and gives some certainty for CityFlyer crews long term.

[chrism20]

Any word what the perimeter is for a useful load? Embraer's official data for the standard E190 is:

Take Off Field Length, ISA, SL, MTOW 6,745ft 2,056m
Take Off Field Length, ISA, SL, TOW for 500nm 4,157ft 1,267m

Does the "SR" do anything about it or is it just the steep approach modification? From the paper, 500nm would be the max. range with a full load. Places like Nice or Milan would be a stretch, and Madrid, Barcelona, Warszawa, Vienna out of reach.

Is this possibly the reason for a number of E170's as well?

If I remember correctly this is why a few RJ85's appeared as the 100 couldn't make it somewhere (MAD I think) full.

[midweeksaint]

100above
As a dedicated follower of things BAe 146 I guess there may be some guys in Prestwick & Hatfield who are also disappointed? I am curious to understand the scope agreement you mention. Are you able to enlighten a bit?

[DutchBird-757]

Sexy isn't she;



Merry Christmas to everyone and all the best for 2009!

[32SQDN]

E170/190 Type rating

Gents, anyone know where type ratings for these a/c will take place?

Cheers 32.

[VVIP-FA]

Merry Christmas to all at BACF and a big congrats on your new type..

I will be joining the cabin crew team in EDI on the next training course after many years of private and long haul flying from LHR and looking forward to working with such a great bunch of people, with an already sterling reputation.

Does anyone have any info on possible new routes to be launched in the new year as well as the cabin crew compliment for the RJ85 /100 E170/90

Thanks again

VVIP-FA

[BAladdy]

The Cabin crew compliment on both aircraft will only be 2. BACF have said that there will be no redundancys due to this announcement.

How many crew do BACF currently carry on their RJ's??

This change in fleet type is a great christmas from BA to BACF. Th E-Jets will be far more comfortable than the crampt RJ's. The new aircraft will give BACF the edge over WX and LX when it comes to space and comfort out of LCY.

Does anyone know is the range and MTOW of the E-jets greater then the current RJ fleet?

[OliWW]

The RJ100's can do about 1,500nm... with a speed of about 450knots max...

The E170 can get around 1,7500nm

The E190 can get around 2,200nm for the SR