CORK - 5

[Jamie2k9]

I know they may pull out but why would they announce a new route the day after they say they may pull out.

In regards to MUC, NCE, ALC & TFS are not on sale from DUB or BFS so can't see any of them being dropped.

[Kavs8]

That slot was free as the same slot is used on Sat for TFS. Anybody think SNN will give discounts to FR for LPA, i dont think they should as its returning after a six month break.

Also judging by Ryanair's announcement to close all operations from BHD they certinly have the balls to do the same at SNN.

BACK TO THE CORK THREAD.

Sad to see no 2nd FR at ORK 2moro final day at ORK today, FR are due to release their timetable for Summer 11 in late October/Early November and O'Leary has said the routes will be returning as they are profitable Summer routes. Wonder if PMI will be transfered to ORK as it was a wash out at SNN this summer virtually 40% to 45% on all flights (Load Factor).

[brian_dromey]

I think the Summer 2011 schedule should look quite a bit different to the Summer 2010 one.
LHR/LGW
Anecdotal evidence would suggest that LHR is doing fine, even with LGW, as the LHR flights seem to be full on the A320, even with the LGW flights and connecting traffic is strong as ever. However with LGW dropping to single mid-day flight for the winter, who knows whats going to happen there.

MUC/AGP/NCE
Assuming EI Regional lives on through the winter and the 4th A320 returns next summer there should be a fair amount of additional capacity as MAN and BHX are likely to say at 2x daily on EIRegional equipment. So the schedules will probably look quite different to the traditional summer schedule. Maybe even room for some new routes....

[Jamie2k9]

ORK - LGW route

June 2009 - 9880
June 2010 - 17177

July 2009 - 10203
July 2010 - 22103

From CAA in the UK

[Kavs8]

Looks like EI & FR load factors could be 60% +

[Jamie2k9]

Chartered flights from Cork - Heraklion (Crete) will return from 6 May 2011 and Cork - Sharm-El-Sheik from 25 May

[Kavs8]

EI schedule - Monday May 1st 2010.

A/C 1 - A321:

operating 4 daily flights to/from LHR.

A/C 2 - A320:

Operates morning flight to AMS
Operates afternoon flight to CDG
Operates evening flight to FCO

A/C 3 - A320:

Operates daily flight to AGP
Afternoon?
Operates daily flight to AMS

A/C 4 - A320:

Operates morning flight to FAO
Afternoon?
Evening?


Also BCN is listed as operating from ORK on M-W-F-S at 11:00, 5th a/c ? i dont think so maybe CDG time changed... Confussing at this stage.

[Jamie2k9]

2011 - Ei

Cork - Nice operating Tuesday, Thursday & Saturday.
Departing 11:00

Cork - Paris CDG time moved - depart 13:10 everyday

Cork - Lisbon operates Monday & Friday departing at 18:00

[ryan2000]

Cork Summer 2011

I doubt if we'll see a 2nd TFS. Maybe LPA. Ideally they should go to MXP and capture some of the Northern Italy business altough that would probably put an end to the topflight charter. Other question is what'll happen to BHX and MAN if Aer Arann can't continue with them. Will EI do a W from Dublin or will BMI baby or Jet 2 emerge. Intersting times in Cork.

[840]

If those times are correct, I guess there's a few possibilities for what can be done with it

- More rotations than expected to Munich or Alicante
- More rotations to Paris
- Restarting an old route like Berlin, Madrid or Milan
- A new route to Palma, Catania or Bilbao

The new route or restarting of an old one (as it will be announced as new) is always the best marketing opportunity, bu there might be more profit to be made from just adding rotations on an existing route.

Considering one of the rotations is a Sunday evening, it could be tailor made for Paris.

I note that there are extra frequencies to Paris this year on Tuesday and Thurday evenings in October. If it can be profitable on a Tuesday and Thursday in October, it definitely can be on a Sunday in Summer.

[Kavs8]

Ryan2000, i can definitly see your point but ACE has also been increased to 3 pw from 2 pw. TFS had strong loads this summer even though it was once-weekly. Would love to see PMI, but maybe SXF or other routes listed will return as said above who knows?

Just to clarify the routes i listed above are all actual times except the ones with (**) the indication mark next to them.

[Kavs8]

A/C 1 - A321:
EI710 DEP ORK 07:15 ARR LHR 08:45 MTWTFSS
EI711 DEP LHR 09:30 ARR ORK 10:50 MTWTFSS
EI712 DEP ORK 11:45 ARR LHR 13:05 MTWTFSS
EI715 DEP LHR 14:00 ARR ORK 15:20 MTWTFSS
EI722 DEP ORK 15:55 ARR LHR 17:15 MTWTFSS
EI723 DEP LHR 18:15 ARR ORK 19:40 MTWTFSS
EI724 DEP ORK 20:15 ARR LHR 21:35 MTWTFSS
EI725 DEP LHR 22:15 ARR ORK 23:30 MTWTFSS
A/C 2 - A320:
EI840 DEP ORK 06:10 ARR AMS 08:55 MTWTFSS
EI841 DEP AMS 09:35 ARR ORK 10:20 MTWTFSS
EI868 DEP ORK 11:00 ARR BCN 14:15 M-W-F-S
EI869 DEP BCN 14:55 ARR ORK 16:25 M-W-F-S
EI824 DEP ORK 11:00 ARR NCE 14:20 -T-T-S-
EI825 DEP NCE 15:00 ARR ORK 16:35 -T-T-S-
EI844 DEP ORK 17:10 ARR AMS 19:55 MTWTF-S
EI845 DEP AMS 20:40 ARR ORK 21:25 MTWTF-S
EI898 DEP ORK 17:20 ARR FAO 19:50 -----S-
EI899 DEP FAO 20:30 ARR ORK 23:10 -----S-
A/C 3 - A320:
EI896 DEP ORK 06:40 ARR FAO 09:10 M-W-F-S
EI897 DEP FAO 09:50 ARR ORK 12:30 M-W-F-S
EI836 DEP ORK 06:40 ARR MUC 10:00 -T-T-S-
EI837 DEP MUC 10:40 ARR ORK 12:15 -T-T-S-
EI822 DEP ORK 13:10 ARR CDG 15:50 MTWTFSS
EI823 DEP CDG 16:30 ARR ORK 17:15 MTWTFSS
EI856 DEP ORK 18:00 ARR ALC 21:40 -T-T-S-
EI857 DEP ALC 22:20 ARR ORK 23:59 -T-T-S-
EI890 DEP ORK 18:00 ARR LIS 20:20 M---F--
EI891 DEP LIS 21:00 ARR ORK 23:20 M---F--
XX --W---S
XX --W---S
A/C 4 - A320:
EI882 DEP ORK 07:00 ARR AGP 10:45 MTWTFSS
EI883 DEP AGP 11:25 ARR ORK 13:15 MTWTFSS
EI874 DEP ORK 14:00 ARR TFS 18:15 --W---S
EI875 DEP TFS 19:15 ARR ORK 23:20 --W---S
EI876 DEP ORK 14:15 ARR ACE 18:10 -T-T-S-
EI877 DEP ACE 19:10 ARR ORK 23:05 -T-T-S-
EI802 DEP ORK 15:45 ARR FCO 19:40 M---F--
EI803 DEP FCO 20:30 ARR ORK 22:45 M---F--

The times above are actual times, from the timetable a new route should know be expected twice weekly. Maybe Palma de Mallorca? Milan? or Berlin? who knows now. LGW route also still not bookable.

[Charlie Roy]

Ryanair Route Map

The Ryanair route map for Cork has been updated to remove La Rochelle, Bordeaux, Reus and Lanzarote.
However Alicante is still showing as a route. They forgot to remove it, or will it be announced shortly?

[Kavs8]

Was just going to say that, who knows? i know that it was twice-weekly from SNN last winter and had ''good'' loads....

[EISNN]

In fact SNN-ALC had not just good passenger loads but excellent passenger loads.

[ryan2000]

EI new Cork route on We and Su 2012

I'd say Milan or Venice would be the airports choice but don't rule out LPA as that's a no brainer. Only problem is that it will put further pressure on the Charters.

[Kavs8]

Increased Frequencies

Summer 2011 lol , i think you might be right their Ryan2000 i'd think maybe SXF returning, new route to either MXP/LIN in Milan or PMI. But who noes at this stage. LGW route is still not bookable (usually Business type services have priority in EI timetables) but i guess its also not bookable from NOC. Any EI developments from Cork will be good this year....

On another note FR have increased winter schedule frequencies,

STN - Was 12 weekly , now double daily.
DUB - Was 13 weekly, now double daily.
LPL - Was daily, now 9 weekly flights (extra capacity on Fridays & Sundays)

Also theres the addition of AGP, FAO both twice weekly. Cant wait to see FR's planned expansion at Cork for Summer 11. Should be a good winter ahead, for ORK okay EI have removed an aircraft but with SNN recieving a 21% slash to its schedule with FR & transatlantic flights removed in Jan, Feb & Mar , Cork cant have that bad a year ahead...

[brian_dromey]

I agree with kavs8, I think ORK is holding it's own, although I think it will be a case of a "less bad" winter than a "good" one. It's good to see FR with extra rotations for the winter. Those extra weekend LPL services should do well.

Great to see EI bringing the A321 back to Cork next summer and coming back to 4 based units. Hopefully RE will make it through and we'll see many ATRs on the ramp too.

Brian.

[fivejuliet]

Kavs8, Shannon having less transatlantic services makes things better for Cork how exactly? Considering Cork has no transatlantic services the Shannon pax cant exactly flock there as an alternative

[fivejuliet]

I've read many times and you've not suggested what you are referring to, only saying it cant be a bad year ahead with cuts at Shannon.

Therefore I suggest you retract your snide personal comments.