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Old 29th Jan 2008, 21:13
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Aer Arann Cork-Dublin

Did anyone else read the article in today's Examiner about Aer Arann on the Cork-Dublin route? It revealed that the routes loss making because of the significant overcapacity on the route. Apparantly the route is under constant review and they've given the business community a "use it or lose it" ultimatum. I'd say unless thay can get the Aer Lingus codeshare in place soon, the writings on the wall for the service. It'll be a shame after holding out for 2 and a half years to see RE finally conceding to Ryanair.
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Old 30th Jan 2008, 21:07
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When Arann say use it or lose it, Cork should listen. They've walked from Shannon a couple of times!
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Old 30th Jan 2008, 21:48
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When Arann say use it or lose it, Cork should listen. They've walked from Shannon a couple of times!
Aer Arann were referring specifically to their Cork-Dublin route. Theres no talk of them walking away from Cork entirely, just possibly axing the Dublin route. Cork is Aer Arann's busiest base and they have 11 other routes from Cork so pulling off the Dublin route wouldn't mean the end for Aer Arann at Cork.
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Apparantly the route is under constant review and they've given the business community a "use it or lose it" ultimatum.
Well, well, well. Another great day for ORK, and oh, so reminiscent of the LGW fiasco. It looks more like a when RE pull out rather then if, which is sad. People should prepare for twice daily frequencies with FR, and high fares, just like LGW. I suppose a new continental route or two will be launched, on the other hand. I however have my doubts that Hann, Brussels and/or scandanavian destinations will be served. Somewhere typical like AGP or Paris will be launched instead, amongst much fan-fare, with a little note at the bottom of the press release about dropping 28 weekly frequencies.

Nice job Micheal.
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Old 31st Jan 2008, 16:37
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Centralwings

Centralwings unbookable on ORK-WAW and ORK-WRO after FEB 12th. CSA, Malev and now Centralwings. It's not only the GAA in Cork that's in trouble.
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Old 31st Jan 2008, 19:18
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Centralwings unbookable on ORK-WAW and ORK-WRO after FEB 12th. CSA, Malev and now Centralwings. It's not only the GAA in Cork that's in trouble.
Well thats just brilliant, they drive Aer Lingus off Warsaw, then as soon they've done that they axe the service themselves. Aer Lingus were doing well on Warsaw when they were the only operator. Why couldn't they just have left things as they were instead of pulling a stunt like this. A nasty reminder of the whole Gatwick situation but at least we still have a service to Gatwick! I hope the CAA are on the phone to Wizz first thing in the morning. Theres clearly demand for a Warsaw service, just not enough for 2 operators on the route!
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If we've really lost all these Eastern European routes, then it's time Cork airport bent over backwards to replace them. They should be lobbying Wizzair day and night to base a plane in Cork. Warsaw, Wroclaw, Katowice, Gdansk and Budapest would definitely keep a based aircraft busy.

Normally a route only qualifies for reduced fees if it's a new route or if it hasn't been operated in more than year. Cork airport will need to relax this "if it hasn't been operated in more than a year" rule if they're anyway serious about replacing the lost routes
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Old 31st Jan 2008, 19:24
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Warsaw update

Latest rumour is that EI are reconsidering ORK-WAW in the light of Centralwings decision. CAA need to keep talking to customers particularly overseas airlines for whom Cork Airport is only a dot on the map.

Cork is a 24 hour airport. This was brought in 1999 because of an astronomical overtime bill due to old agreements negotiated as far back as the 1970's. However Centralwings and Wizz ran into constant hassle whenever they tried to operate after midnight. What's the point in 24hr opening if you can't cater for night operations. Imagine Tesco hassling customers who want to shop at their 24hr stores after midnight.

I'd imagine that there will be a replacement found for WAW and WRO or possibly new routes to Poznan or Lodz which will cater for the general catchment areas. WIZZ and possibly Ryanair would be the obvious candidates for the latter two routes.

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Old 31st Jan 2008, 19:33
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Latest rumour is that EI are reconsidering ORK-WAW in the light of Centralwings decision. CAA need to keep talking to customers particularly overseas airlines for whom Cork Airport is only a dot on the map.
Thats some good news at least but they don't have any room in the summer timetable unless they axe something else, they could operate a nighttime flight after the Amsterdam. It arrives at 21.20 so if say it left at 22.30 it could be back for 5.30, before perhaps operating the Malaga flight at 7.00. This would only be needed for the summer since there is room in the winter timetable. Or maybe they'll base a fifth aircraft at Cork (I think theres an A320 due in June) and operate flights to Warsaw, Budapest and a few new routes?

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Old 31st Jan 2008, 19:38
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Why couldn't they just have left things as they were instead of pulling a stunt like this.
This is very typical behaviour for Central wings.
The airline are renowned for forever chopping and changing their routes and schedules. In the long run Cork are better off without such an unstable airline, but that's hard to say right now as we're left with no one on these routes
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Old 31st Jan 2008, 20:03
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Cork-Dublin

With the news about Warsaw I forgot to say the FR Cork-Dublin timetable has changed to incorporate the flights to Carcassonne. There will only be 1 morning flight to Dublin on a Wednesday operated by a Dublin aircraft, leaving Dublin at 07.55 and leaving Cork at 09.10. There will only be 2 flights on Satuday and Sunday. Flights go back to the normal timetable when Carcassonne ends in September
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Whilst this may be typical behavior for Centralwings, I would much prefer to see them maintain these routes rather than have Ryanair take them up. One of Cork's strengths has been the variety of airlines and not just relying on one or two - however as time goes on this seems to becoming the case.

As for the centralwings warsaw and wroclaw services from Cork. They have always been notoriously late in updating their schedules and booking engine, and until it is actually announced that they are withdrawing these routes, i would hold out some hope for them. Just lookin at Shannon's schedules, the Katowice service for march is shown as operating inward on Mon, Tue, Wed, Thur, Fri - yet the outbound only operates on Mon, Wed, Fri. So where does the aircraft go on the other 2 days??? Is this just showing how sloppy their website is ??

Let hope for now.....
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Old 31st Jan 2008, 20:14
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the Katowice service for march is shown as operating inward on Mon, Tue, Wed, Thur, Fri - yet the outbound only operates on Mon, Wed, Fri. So where does the aircraft go on the other 2 days???
It operates in from Katowice and operates out to either Gdansk or either Warsaw depending on the day of the week
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Old 31st Jan 2008, 20:39
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That still does not account for the 2 extra flights inbound from Katowice during the month of March.

GDN-SNN-GDN is operated by one aircraft In at 2210 / Out at 2245

The Warsaw service does originate in Katowice and routes KTW-SNN-WAW but on 3 days of the week Only - As the Inbound KTW comes in 5 days - there are 2 unknown outbounds.
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Old 1st Feb 2008, 09:58
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If Aer Lingus did want to add an extra A320, there's probably the business for it now. They'd have Warsaw and Budapest to themselves. Amsterdam, Paris and Manchester could probably take more rotations as well. There were 138 pax on the Amsterdam-Cork service last night and if you're achieving an 80% load on a Thursday evening in January, there should be few worries about making it double daily every day in the summer too. Perhaps with Ryanair gone from the route out of Shannon, Madrid may become an option again.

In the meantime, all other avenues should be pursued to get a renewed service to Warsaw. Other than CentralWings, who has aircraft based in Warsaw? LOT, Wizzair and Norwegian spring to mind. Any others?
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Old 1st Feb 2008, 13:37
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FR to Bristol loaded.No announcement yet!
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Old 1st Feb 2008, 13:50
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I think that's just a one-off for the Heineken Cup match between Munster and Gloucester.
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Old 3rd Feb 2008, 09:44
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Was trying to book on the ei724 for tuesday evening ( 5 feb ) but the flt is not bookable and neither is the retuning leg of ei725. Has anyone got an idea why flt may not be operating ? Surely the they haven't sold out on both legs for a tuesday evening !!!!
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Old 3rd Feb 2008, 12:06
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It sure looks that way. There are only the 715 723 currently available for sale right now on tuesday. 723 is asking 149e.w! Looks like a busy day on tuesday! Seems to be very few free seats, only in full fare economy, each direction.

In my experience the 725 is a very popular flight and has been consistently sold out when I have taken it. My dad has also used it on occasion and it has been packed to the gills then too. 724 is not usually so popular.
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Old 3rd Feb 2008, 14:16
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heard an EI pilot talking to ops the other night- 65% of the pax coming off on of the LHR flights were going to the Limerick/Tipp region
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